You may think I'm kidding but I'm not.

The retread coaches all have one thing in common. They've proven they can win on the highest level.

If a CUSA schools hires a young, successful, coach.. He wont usually stay very long.

Retreads will usually stay the course. We don't have to worry about poachers.

Gents, Judy MacLeod DESPERATELY NEEDS name equity to sell CUSA basketball. So many criticized Southern Miss hiring Doc Sadler, but it was really a genius move for them. Sadler was an NCAA tournament coach at UTEP. When he went to a FOOTBALL SCHOOL, that's where he bombed. He's still the same guy. Now he will likely stay at Southern Miss until he wants to call it quits. They don't have to worry about losing him because of that stain.

ODU hired a retread coach and look at them now.

IMO, UNT needs to PAY Houston Nutt to come to Denton and revive football. They can keep him till he retires, and he gives our league a brand name.

Monken will be GONE at Southern Miss when he brings them all the way back. Just like Fedora who is kicking Pitts butt tonight. What USM really needs to do is bring Bower back already and stop this madness.

The following football and basketball coaches need to be earmarked for CUSA in the future. This will help out TV deal, help our stability, and help out RPI.

In basketball:
Billy Gillispie
Josh Pastner (after Memphis gets rid of him)
Stan Heath
Anthony Grant
Melvin Watkins

In football:
Houston Nutt
Dan Hawkins
Jeff Bower
Steve Kragethorpe
Randy Edsall

Louisiana Tech did great by hiring that retread Skip Holtz. We all need to start doing that and solidify this conference, finally. Stop hiring the Mike White types. It doesn't benefit us at all.

Screw this farm system crap. Let's bet on sure things that hang around awhile. We can make Judy MacLeod's job a lot easier that way.

Jerod Haase was an assistant.

I doubt you will see Coach Bower on the sidelines. He enjoys his two grandchildren and being with his family and friends. You may see him at a USM home game from time to time.

Ace...

You're asking UNT to hire another retread coach after they just fired their retread coach?

This is a double edged sword, and there really isn't a correct answer. You say that retreads have proven they can win at the highest level. But, they wouldn't be looking for a job if they could win at the highest level. Can you name a retread football coach who has been successful after going down a step and stayed for a while? The only one I can think of is Solich at Ohio. UTEP's only retread football coach in my lifetime had a very mediocre run and stayed a couple years longer than he probably should have.

Basketball is probably a little different, but I wouldn't imagine all that much. Our retread coach has been above average, but we haven't been to the Dance with him in 5 years. The previous three assistants we hired got us there in a shorter amount of time. Sure, they left. But the other side of the sword is that if they leave, it usually means that your program was successful.

Sometimes you just have to accept where you are and make the best of it. Don Haskins isn't walking through that door. If '66 happened right now, do you think he'd stick around at UTEP for the next 30 years? No.

Bower's contribution to southern miss as a coach and a person is something I (hope) think all of our fan base gives many thanks for many memorable years....

If a school is lucky enough to hire someone like that and let it evolve, they are fortunate....

one could say southern tried that tactic by hiring elllllllllllloss after fedhat....

one could also state that being in the g5 class, picking that out of a hat is more difficult moving forward....

it's going to be interesting how doc's situation plays out at marshall after this year....

It just all depends... I remember at one point, C-USA was called the "second chance" conference by ESPN.

USM had hired Eustachy after the drinking scene.
SMU had hired a coach that had been on the outs for something (can't remember whom off the top of my head?).
WKU and USM both were giving Petrino some consideration for coaching positions (from what I read)
UCF had brought in O'Leary (remember the ND/GT resume issue?)

And there were a few others...

Funny thing, is if we hadn't brought in Tyndall, after all the fiascos he and his coaching staff had caused, a couple years down the road, someone in C-USA probably would have given him a legitiimate shot at turning his name and career around.

The eLOSS hiring proves that not any "retread" hire is going to work... and if it backfires, it backfires big time. You want a retread? Find a retread that still has something to PROVE.

I couldn't disagree more with this assessment.

We have retreads that are a large part of our problem. They have run the gauntlet in their careers and they tend to no longer have the passion and fire to lead the millennial generation.

Simply put it is my view more often than not these coaches are coasting. Put it on cruise control. You don't have to bust your ass that much. You don't have anything left to prove and because you're not an SEC-type program the expectations of you aren't going to be as high.

Personally, in my opinion coaches that have a fire in their belly and want to prove themselves are what we need at Middle Tennessee. And then the head coach needs to be able to - first in foremost - know how to identify good young coaching talent. That seems to be the trick or the tough part. Stockstill was pure genius in giving the defensive reigns to Manny Diaz. Not a lot of coaches would have done that. But he's also had a penchant for hiring people he's had a long history with that are at the ends of their careers. It is these who have tended to be the worst of our coaches.

(10-30-2015 07:46 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  I couldn't disagree more with this assessment.

We have retreads that are a large part of our problem. They have run the gauntlet in their careers and they tend to no longer have the passion and fire to lead the millennial generation.

Simply put it is my view more often than not these coaches are coasting. Put it on cruise control. You don't have to bust your ass that much. You don't have anything left to prove and because you're not an SEC-type program the expectations of you aren't going to be as high.

Personally, in my opinion coaches that have a fire in their belly and want to prove themselves are what we need at Middle Tennessee. And then the head coach needs to be able to - first in foremost - know how to identify good young coaching talent. That seems to be the trick or the tough part. Stockstill was pure genius in giving the defensive reigns to Manny Diaz. Not a lot of coaches would have done that. But he's also had a penchant for hiring people he's had a long history with that are at the ends of their careers. It is these who have tended to be the worst of our coaches.

agree completely about the fire of a young coach. that's balanced against their game calling at times. there's nothing like experience during a game where you just know what's going to work.

but there isn't a school in our conference that can keep a really good coach. there's just too much money out there and the divide is comical.

i'll take a coach with age if he's got some fired up young assistants that'll beat the bushes for recruits.

i do think the original post is goofy.

Tech hired Skip because we lacked stability and long term growth. Coaches were coming here, filling up on Jucos, winning and leaving with the cup-board bare. Skip came here started recruiting high schoolers again and helped with our depth. WE are far more balanced from Freshman to Senior and its been nice. I say to each its own. WE have plenty of fire down here in Ruston, some schools need different things.

What an awful post. Hire every assistant you can. If they leave, they probably left us better than they found us. Then we can build on it.

(10-30-2015 09:02 AM)SPACESCAPE Wrote:  Look at us now?
We aren't unfamiliar with having a team that plays at this level, and we aren't unfamiliar with having a coach that can coach at this level. "Retread" .. Whatever you want to call him, he was the right man to get us back to the level of basketball that we've become accustomed to...After ONE awful season. Is the only man that could have revived us after that ONE horrific season? I doubt it.

There is no real reason to categorize coaching prospects as "retread" or "young guy". I don't believe that is a very effective filter to use, and it would serve the hiring process very poorly. Too many extremely qualified candidates would be excluded. Examples can be cherry-picked to show the complete range of success from horrible, to bad, to poor, to good, to great, to phenominal, for both "retread" and "young guy" coaches. IMO, the university undertaking a coaching search would NOT be wise to use this particular consideration.

While there is some merit in the argument that a successful "young guy" coach would soon move on to greener pastures, that is more a function of CUSA's, and all non-P5 schools status. There is no guarantee that a successful "retread" coach will not seek to move on if a sizeable paycheck, and greater amount of status were dangled before him. Losing any coach because of great success on the field or court should be taken as a sign of a healthy program, and should be used as a springboard to more success. It sure beats the heck out of having to let a coach go due to poor performance, program stagnation, or worse.

I totally disagree for basketball and football. G5 schools need to hire up and coming coaches. Yes a majority of them will eventually move on to bigger schools but there is always the chance that they choose to stay.

Retread coaches were fired for a reason..........because they have baggage or they don't have it anymore. If any of these coaches are even mildly successful, they will leave without a doubt to regain the kind of money they once were worth.

When I think of schools that have found success in this in basketball I think of

Butler, VCU and Gonzaga

In football

TCU Boise st, Utah ( When they had Myers in MWC)

This guy is available to anyone who wants him.

The right answer would have been to keep Fedora long enough to get into the AAC and/or expand our stadium. The money we missed out on in the Ellis Johnson / early Monken era could easily have covered Fedora's UNC salary. Hell, a couple of money road games could have. USM needs to quit imposing an artificial ceiling on itself. THAT, above all else, is the "right" answer.

The underlying issue here is money. Hire the up n coming, they do well, gone in 3-5 yrs. for money/prestige. Hire the proven older guy, he may want to settle down, reasonable pay, but may be out of steam. A proven winner wants $ and prestige. Can't blame them....but this is supposed to be amateur sports, big time supporters will find the $ to keep the best. It makes it a real problem for those schools with limited $ to pour into a amateur sport.

(10-30-2015 10:15 AM)BkGold Wrote:  The underlying issue here is money. Hire the up n coming, they do well, gone in 3-5 yrs. for money/prestige. Hire the proven older guy, he may want to settle down, reasonable pay, but may be out of steam. A proven winner wants $ and prestige. Can't blame them....but this is supposed to be amateur sports, big time supporters will find the $ to keep the best. It makes it a real problem for those schools with limited $ to pour into a amateur sport.

I think the value added by a $2,000,000 coach would more than make up the difference in salary. We've just got to have the balls to invest.

I stopped reading and tried to delete this from my memory after seeing Josh Pastner on the list.

(10-30-2015 10:25 AM)moss2k Wrote:  I stopped reading and tried to delete this from my memory after seeing Josh Pastner on the list.

It's what got me excited about the thread!

(10-29-2015 09:25 PM)Ace Barker Wrote:  I doubt you will see Coach Bower on the sidelines. He enjoys his two grandchildren and being with his family and friends. You may see him at a USM home game from time to time.

Ace...

And he is having more time to devote to fishing, which he loves.

(10-30-2015 09:37 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  I totally disagree for basketball and football. G5 schools need to hire up and coming coaches. Yes a majority of them will eventually move on to bigger schools but there is always the chance that they choose to stay.

Agree. Ben Braun or Mike Rhoades? The retread almost killed the Rice basketball program. The up and coming assistant coach brought all the fans back to the building.