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RE: CUSA's BEST LONG TERM STRATEGY: HIRE MORE RETREADS (stop hiring assistants)
I really don't keep up too much with the other conference coaches, but I wouldn't trade Haase and Clark for any retread. I understand the sentiment, but we have great coaches for the day and can hope and dream we keep them.
10-30-2015 05:35 PM
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RE: CUSA's BEST LONG TERM STRATEGY: HIRE MORE RETREADS (stop hiring assistants)
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You may think I'm kidding but I'm not.

The retread coaches all have one thing in common. They've proven they can win on the highest level.

If a CUSA schools hires a young, successful, coach.. He wont usually stay very long.

Retreads will usually stay the course. We don't have to worry about poachers.

Gents, Judy MacLeod DESPERATELY NEEDS name equity to sell CUSA basketball. So many criticized Southern Miss hiring Doc Sadler, but it was really a genius move for them. Sadler was an NCAA tournament coach at UTEP. When he went to a FOOTBALL SCHOOL, that's where he bombed. He's still the same guy. Now he will likely stay at Southern Miss until he wants to call it quits. They don't have to worry about losing him because of that stain.

ODU hired a retread coach and look at them now.

IMO, UNT needs to PAY Houston Nutt to come to Denton and revive football. They can keep him till he retires, and he gives our league a brand name.

Monken will be GONE at Southern Miss when he brings them all the way back. Just like Fedora who is kicking Pitts butt tonight. What USM really needs to do is bring Bower back already and stop this madness.

The following football and basketball coaches need to be earmarked for CUSA in the future. This will help out TV deal, help our stability, and help out RPI.

In basketball:
Billy Gillispie
Josh Pastner (after Memphis gets rid of him)
Stan Heath
Anthony Grant
Melvin Watkins

In football:
Houston Nutt
Dan Hawkins
Jeff Bower
Steve Kragethorpe
Randy Edsall

Louisiana Tech did great by hiring that retread Skip Holtz. We all need to start doing that and solidify this conference, finally. Stop hiring the Mike White types. It doesn't benefit us at all.

Screw this farm system crap. Let's bet on sure things that hang around awhile. We can make Judy MacLeod's job a lot easier that way.

I actually think this has some real merit... One could actually equate this to marriage




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RE: CUSA's BEST LONG TERM STRATEGY: HIRE MORE RETREADS (stop hiring assistants)
(10-30-2015 10:08 AM)AndreWhere Wrote:  The right answer would have been to keep Fedora long enough to get into the AAC and/or expand our stadium. The money we missed out on in the Ellis Johnson / early Monken era could easily have covered Fedora's UNC salary. Hell, a couple of money road games could have. USM needs to quit imposing an artificial ceiling on itself. THAT, above all else, is the "right" answer.

agree with all the other posters that finally chimed in.... , but yours is a slightly different caveat that I was soooooooooo on board with in both fed and tyndall (we HAD to find that money somehow.....if we found it to fire someone, surely we could find it to keep someone....)

you nailed it.....I've never understood the lack of forward thinking.....we epitomized fail at the worst possible fk'n time....

it's too late now.....we are where are until that next wave happens....and we better hope we hire hungry, well versed coaches moving forward......

even with that, I think we're screwed.....I hope I'm wrong....
10-30-2015 08:11 PM
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It's a crapshoot.
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(10-29-2015 09:59 PM)STexMiner Wrote:  You're asking UNT to hire another retread coach after they just fired their retread coach?

This is a double edged sword, and there really isn't a correct answer. You say that retreads have proven they can win at the highest level. But, they wouldn't be looking for a job if they could win at the highest level. Can you name a retread football coach who has been successful after going down a step and stayed for a while? The only one I can think of is Solich at Ohio. UTEP's only retread football coach in my lifetime had a very mediocre run and stayed a couple years longer than he probably should have.

Basketball is probably a little different, but I wouldn't imagine all that much. Our retread coach has been above average, but we haven't been to the Dance with him in 5 years. The previous three assistants we hired got us there in a shorter amount of time. Sure, they left. But the other side of the sword is that if they leave, it usually means that your program was successful.

Sometimes you just have to accept where you are and make the best of it. Don Haskins isn't walking through that door. If '66 happened right now, do you think he'd stick around at UTEP for the next 30 years? No.
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(10-30-2015 07:40 AM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  It just all depends... I remember at one point, C-USA was called the "second chance" conference by ESPN.

USM had hired Eustachy after the drinking scene.
SMU had hired a coach that had been on the outs for something (can't remember whom off the top of my head?).
WKU and USM both were giving Petrino some consideration for coaching positions (from what I read)
UCF had brought in O'Leary (remember the ND/GT resume issue?)

And there were a few others...

Funny thing, is if we hadn't brought in Tyndall, after all the fiascos he and his coaching staff had caused, a couple years down the road, someone in C-USA probably would have given him a legitiimate shot at turning his name and career around.

The eLOSS hiring proves that not any "retread" hire is going to work... and if it backfires, it backfires big time. You want a retread? Find a retread that still has something to PROVE.
Petrino was our coach for one season before moving to greener pastures at Loserville

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(10-30-2015 08:23 AM)dahbeed Wrote:  
(10-30-2015 07:46 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  I couldn't disagree more with this assessment.

We have retreads that are a large part of our problem. They have run the gauntlet in their careers and they tend to no longer have the passion and fire to lead the millennial generation.

Simply put it is my view more often than not these coaches are coasting. Put it on cruise control. You don't have to bust your ass that much. You don't have anything left to prove and because you're not an SEC-type program the expectations of you aren't going to be as high.

Personally, in my opinion coaches that have a fire in their belly and want to prove themselves are what we need at Middle Tennessee. And then the head coach needs to be able to - first in foremost - know how to identify good young coaching talent. That seems to be the trick or the tough part. Stockstill was pure genius in giving the defensive reigns to Manny Diaz. Not a lot of coaches would have done that. But he's also had a penchant for hiring people he's had a long history with that are at the ends of their careers. It is these who have tended to be the worst of our coaches.

agree completely about the fire of a young coach. that's balanced against their game calling at times. there's nothing like experience during a game where you just know what's going to work.

but there isn't a school in our conference that can keep a really good coach. there's just too much money out there and the divide is comical.

i'll take a coach with age if he's got some fired up young assistants that'll beat the bushes for recruits.

i do think the original post is goofy.
Yeah, perfect assessment. I mean, we couldn't even keep coach T and his jersey is hanging from the dang stadium. Lured away by those sweet sweet Florida dollars........ South Florida, that is.

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Just hire the best coach. Each year is a different situation based on who is available. WKU has had good success with assistants. We are having great success with Jeff Brohm. The only coach anyone of us will be able to keep is the coach we don't want to keep. WKU has tried hiring alums and that hasn't retained them, either. Get a hungry coach that wants to win. You'll lose them, but you'll win while they are at your institution.

The key to sustained success through coaches is to commit to a style of play and hire coaches that continue that style so you are not rebuilding with different types of players constantly.

We will looks Brohm (probably after this season), I just hope we hire someone who has his same philosophy.
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(10-30-2015 07:40 AM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  It just all depends... I remember at one point, C-USA was called the "second chance" conference by ESPN.

USM had hired Eustachy after the drinking scene.
SMU had hired a coach that had been on the outs for something (can't remember whom off the top of my head?).
WKU and USM both were giving Petrino some consideration for coaching positions (from what I read)
UCF had brought in O'Leary (remember the ND/GT resume issue?)

And there were a few others...

Funny thing, is if we hadn't brought in Tyndall, after all the fiascos he and his coaching staff had caused, a couple years down the road, someone in C-USA probably would have given him a legitiimate shot at turning his name and career around.

The eLOSS hiring proves that not any "retread" hire is going to work... and if it backfires, it backfires big time. You want a retread? Find a retread that still has something to PROVE.

We never gave Petrino any consideration. He bugged the living urine out of the AD and anyone else his brother (former asst) could think of to call in hattiesburg. The adminstration from the beginning said no because of the baggage. Which turned out to be a good call if you notice he ran out on wku quickly.
We have tried the retread process and will stick to the young hungry assistant.

As far as Jeff goes. He lives very comfortably right now. I dont think anything could get back on any sideline. Did anyone notice the times his name has come up for ?other jobs since 07? South alabama is the only one and the truth is he was trying to help Randy butler get that job.
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