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Well the news is certainly disappointing, much like VT Football lately.

Question for you all:

We all take it as gospel that ESPN is losing money due to cord cutters. I agree with this conclusion as well. So why does no one point out that the B1G is also in trouble? Doesn't the cord cutters also eat into the B1G economic model since cord cutter will also not get the BTN? Also, they are about to renegotiate at a time when a lot of people seem to think the sports media rights bubble is popping. Does this not also effect the B1G's expected payout that everyone seems to take as gospel?
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(10-29-2015 09:20 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  Dan Wolken @DanWolken
I’ll say this. Several admins at ACC schools are worried that the Power 5 is really a Power 4 and they’re on the outside. This is a big deal
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Sounds like he's referring to all the admins at FSU.
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Almost forgot, to the rainbow and unicorn crowd, think on this:

So long as ESPN tells the ACC officials that they are working on setting up the network, what makes anyone think ESPN will increase the payoff? It's only when ESPN declares there will definitely not be an "ACC Network" that the increase in payouts kicks in, correct?
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(10-29-2015 10:15 PM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  
(10-29-2015 09:20 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  Dan Wolken @DanWolken
I’ll say this. Several admins at ACC schools are worried that the Power 5 is really a Power 4 and they’re on the outside. This is a big deal
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Sounds like he's referring to all the admins at FSU.

This is a big deal to FSU.

I would like the ND deal for FSU. All in for the other sports and play 5 games in football. If the ACC does not like it kick our ass out.

Or break it all up with the big XII and shop it to FOX or NBC.

Let's face it, this is not going to work for the football schools. Clemson and FSU.

Create a new conf.

FSU, CLEMSON, NC STATE, VT, LOUISVILLE, UM, WVU
TEX, TCU, BAY, TT, OU, OSU, .???
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(10-29-2015 10:11 PM)JAE_VT Wrote:  Well the news is certainly disappointing, much like VT Football lately.

Question for you all:

We all take it as gospel that ESPN is losing money due to cord cutters. I agree with this conclusion as well. So why does no one point out that the B1G is also in trouble? Doesn't the cord cutters also eat into the B1G economic model since cord cutter will also not get the BTN? Also, they are about to renegotiate at a time when a lot of people seem to think the sports media rights bubble is popping. Does this not also effect the B1G's expected payout that everyone seems to take as gospel?

First of all, ESPN isn't losing money. Their profit margins are apparently declining, yes, but they're still making money.

Why would the Big Ten be in trouble? They aren't buying other people's content to put on their network. They own the content and are simply profiting off of their already-owned content. That's different than ESPN who on top of cord-cutting is also paying exorbitant sums of money for live content to air on their channels because ESPN itself isn't a sports league (Eg: Nobody is going to watch bozos Chris Berman and Mel Kiper play 48 minutes of basketball, or Paul Finebaum and Stephen A Smith play 4 quarters of football). So that compounds ESPN's costs, costs which the BTN simply doesn't have.

The BTN can also transition to multiple platforms and offer stand-alone streaming services beyond the purview of cable. So can ESPN, for that matter.
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(10-29-2015 11:35 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  
(10-29-2015 10:11 PM)JAE_VT Wrote:  Well the news is certainly disappointing, much like VT Football lately.

Question for you all:

We all take it as gospel that ESPN is losing money due to cord cutters. I agree with this conclusion as well. So why does no one point out that the B1G is also in trouble? Doesn't the cord cutters also eat into the B1G economic model since cord cutter will also not get the BTN? Also, they are about to renegotiate at a time when a lot of people seem to think the sports media rights bubble is popping. Does this not also effect the B1G's expected payout that everyone seems to take as gospel?

First of all, ESPN isn't losing money. Their profit margins are apparently declining, yes, but they're still making money.

Why would the Big Ten be in trouble? They aren't buying other people's content to put on their network. They own the content and are simply profiting off of their already-owned content. That's different than ESPN who on top of cord-cutting is also paying exorbitant sums of money for live content to air on their channels because ESPN itself isn't a sports league (Eg: Nobody is going to watch bozos Chris Berman and Mel Kiper play 48 minutes of basketball, or Paul Finebaum and Stephen A Smith play 4 quarters of football). So that compounds ESPN's costs, costs which the BTN simply doesn't have.

The BTN can also transition to multiple platforms and offer stand-alone streaming services beyond the purview of cable. So can ESPN, for that matter.

Perhaps it depends upon one's point of view:
Declining profits means less money which means loss of money. But you're right to point out that ESPN is still making profit.

Concerning the BTN, again, their economic model will also be effected by the cord cutters. They basically run on the same model as ESPN. If people are cutting their cords, then that means less revenue for the BTN. I guess I should have been more precise with my phrasing. I never meant to imply that the BTN will be in the red, I'm just saying their revenues will also be effected, by how much, I don't know. But it should be a concern for them. The majority of their revenue, as I understand, is to get the BTN onto basic cable on any cable company that operates in a state with a B1G school. Then they get a higher carriage fee, plus they now get payment from everyone who pays for cable. Ala ESPN. Now if people are cutting their cords, I imagine the B1G can no longer collect money from these people since these people are cutting cords to stop paying for channels they do not watch. Like ESPN and perhaps like BTN. Just supposition on my part of courae.
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No. The BTN is NOT the same as ESPN.

The BTN does not have to purchase any live sporting content whatsoever. They own that content from the jump. Whereas ESPN owned nothing at the start and has to pay rights in order to air somebody else's live sporting content. That is a huge difference between the two. It compounds ESPN's losses in comparison to something like the BTN.

And as I said, the BTN could always switch platforms and sell it like a Netflix service.

Also, the BTN just EXPANDED its subscriber footprint by adding NJ, MD and DC. ESPN actually did the same. They launched the SECN, which is apparently in some 70 million homes.
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It just gives Espunk more time to finalize this as their relationship with the ACC going forward (well, one will):

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This is how they did it with the Big East:

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(10-29-2015 10:15 PM)JAE_VT Wrote:  Almost forgot, to the rainbow and unicorn crowd, think on this:

So long as ESPN tells the ACC officials that they are working on setting up the network, what makes anyone think ESPN will increase the payoff? It's only when ESPN declares there will definitely not be an "ACC Network" that the increase in payouts kicks in, correct?

I believe there was a start year associated with it. I think 2017.
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haha.

Keep following Swofford ACC, you won't last much longer. The clock is ticking.
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I'm guessing Swofford is getting a lot of calls right now. He's saying the reports are "premature".

http://www.dailypress.com/sports/teel-bl...-post.html
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(10-29-2015 10:11 PM)JAE_VT Wrote:  Well the news is certainly disappointing, much like VT Football lately.

Question for you all:

We all take it as gospel that ESPN is losing money due to cord cutters. I agree with this conclusion as well. So why does no one point out that the B1G is also in trouble? Doesn't the cord cutters also eat into the B1G economic model since cord cutter will also not get the BTN? Also, they are about to renegotiate at a time when a lot of people seem to think the sports media rights bubble is popping. Does this not also effect the B1G's expected payout that everyone seems to take as gospel?

For the 9 months ending June 27, 2015, Disney's Cable Networks had operating income of $5.132 BILLION, on revenues of $12.336 BILLION. Revenues were UP by over $1 BILLION from the same period the year before, but operating income was down by about $60 MILLION. https://cdn.thewaltdisneycompany.com/sit...rnings.pdf

Although Disney owns other cable networks, ESPN is the mothership. At $6/subscriber, ESPN would have generated $5 BILLION in subscriber fees alone during the period. I like this statement though: "The increase in subscribers was due to the new SEC Network launched in August 2014, partially offset by a decline in subscribers at certain of our networks." In other words, the SEC Network is helping offset lost subscribers from other ESPN networks. I'm sure ESPN is hoping that a successful launch of an ACCN would do the same thing. Disney's Annual Report comes out next week.

Really, the biggest mistake made by ESPN was overpaying for Monday Night Football. The rights fees jumped from $1.1 billion per year to $1.9 billion per year. That's the vast majority of the increase in ESPN's expenses. It would seem that they overpaid for the property as FOX, NBC and CBS are each only paying around $1 billion per year for their respective NFL packages.
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You know, for 3 years Louisville fans were on edge wondering if we were going to get a spot in the P5 that we deserved, or be left out as a 2nd class citizen. We finally got the break and got into a conference that is a perfect for us athletically. Now it appears all that was for not and once again, we face at least a chance of being left out of the club should the ACC go away. This blows.
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(10-30-2015 08:19 AM)uofl05 Wrote:  You know, for 3 years Louisville fans were on edge wondering if we were going to get a spot in the P5 that we deserved, or be left out as a 2nd class citizen. We finally got the break and got into a conference that is a perfect for us athletically. Now it appears all that was for not and once again, we face at least a chance of being left out of the club should the ACC go away. This blows.

What? Because there's a possibility that the channel gets delayed? Would Alabama have scheduled a neutral site game with you if you were not in a Power conference? Is 20+ million not enough for you? How about a little appreciation.
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REALITY CHECK: The alleged $2 million bump for no ACC Network by 2017 is critical, IMO. If we assume that has not changed, it means at worst the ACC would be 3rd in terms of payouts behind the SEC and Big Ten:

Conference |TV Revenue, $M/team/yr
SEC | $20.9M (+$6 to $10M)
B1G | $26.4M (+$? tbd)
ACC | $19.3M (+$2M = $21.3M)
Pac-12 | $21.0M
Big XII | $19.8M

The ACC will not catch either of the top two leagues in the foreseeable future, but then, did anyone realistically expect them to? Also, if you think this will make the ACC collapse, does that mean the Pac-12 and Big XII collapse as well? Do we end up with only a P2? (shut up, GTS!)

IMO, by the end of the GoR the ACC ends up paying close to $30M/year (most of the increase being due to the normal escalation of contracts), while the SEC will be paying about $35M/year by then (note: their contract is longer, thus escalates slower; also, some of their income is from the SECN and therefore non-guaranteed). Given $120M/year athletic budgets, is $5M/year (4%) a game-changer?
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http://accfootballrx.blogspot.com/2015/1...art-1.html
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(10-30-2015 08:23 AM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  
(10-30-2015 08:19 AM)uofl05 Wrote:  You know, for 3 years Louisville fans were on edge wondering if we were going to get a spot in the P5 that we deserved, or be left out as a 2nd class citizen. We finally got the break and got into a conference that is a perfect for us athletically. Now it appears all that was for not and once again, we face at least a chance of being left out of the club should the ACC go away. This blows.

What? Because there's a possibility that the channel gets delayed? Would Alabama have scheduled a neutral site game with you if you were not in a Power conference? Is 20+ million not enough for you? How about a little appreciation.

Please don't take my post as being something its not. I personally love being in the ACC, as do 99% of Cardinal fans. As I said, its a perfect fit athletically and I really enjoy competing against the schools in this conference. My frustration(and you wouldn't know bc UNC will NEVER be left out of the club) comes from the seemingly ever increasing possibility of the ACC falling so far behind in the arms race that schools leave and the conference gets destroyed-thanks to ineptitude from the conference leadership on past tv deals. 2009-12 was horrible during the realignment craze wonder what was going to happen. I don't want to deal with that again, thats all. Trust me, I do appreciate what this league has provided us so far, and I want the league to be a stable home for a long time.
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(10-30-2015 06:40 AM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  I'm guessing Swofford is getting a lot of calls right now. He's saying the reports are "premature".

http://www.dailypress.com/sports/teel-bl...-post.html

The GTAA is bankrupt. Bud has direct and STRONG incentive to be frank and totally honest with the GTAA when discussing money they can depend on like the ACC cut.

Swofford has innumerable reasons to deflect and lie. It's time for him to go.
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(10-30-2015 08:23 AM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  Would Alabama have scheduled a neutral site game with you if you were not in a Power conference? Is 20+ million not enough for you? How about a little appreciation.

Alabama scheduled a neutral site game because they both fight each other in FL recruiting, Saban can get another marquee national neutral site game, and let's face it Alabama is WAY deeper than Louisville with talent. If Louisville can't handle the worst Auburn team since Chizik which is probably going to finish next to last in the SEC West ... just what in the hell are they going to do against Alabama? Alabama likes to play P5 programs that are considered "football schools" but that are flawed or down. For the same reasons bad teams like to play FCS programs from areas they recruit in. It's a free almost certain win in an area you want influence in.
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(10-30-2015 08:46 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  
(10-30-2015 08:23 AM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  Would Alabama have scheduled a neutral site game with you if you were not in a Power conference? Is 20+ million not enough for you? How about a little appreciation.

Alabama scheduled a neutral site game because they both fight each other in FL recruiting, Saban can get another marquee national neutral site game, and let's face it Alabama is WAY deeper than Louisville with talent. If Louisville can't handle the worst Auburn team since Chizik which is probably going to finish next to last in the SEC West ... just what in the hell are they going to do against Alabama? Alabama likes to play P5 programs that are considered "football schools" but that are flawed or down. For the same reasons bad teams like to play FCS programs from areas they recruit in. It's a free almost certain win in an area you want influence in.

That's not what I meant. I was saying Alabama would never schedule a neutral site game with Louisville unless they were in a major conference. So the fact, Bama did that should show him that the ACC is still at the big boy table regardless of these differences in payouts.
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(10-30-2015 08:39 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  
(10-30-2015 06:40 AM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  I'm guessing Swofford is getting a lot of calls right now. He's saying the reports are "premature".

http://www.dailypress.com/sports/teel-bl...-post.html

The GTAA is bankrupt. Bud has direct and STRONG incentive to be frank and totally honest with the GTAA when discussing money they can depend on like the ACC cut.

Swofford has innumerable reasons to deflect and lie. It's time for him to go.

Is it bankrupt because it's paying like 10 different coaches who are no longer there? The Paul Hewitt things is just ridiculous.
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