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Bernie: Stop federal ban on marijuana, let states decide
http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2015/10/...nationwide

This should please the libertarians and progressives on the site.
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I have no problem with that.
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I agree with the position, it's just that I really don't care about this issue as much as the High Times crowd does. I just don't.
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Even a broken socialist clock..
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RE: Bernie: Stop federal ban on marijuana, let states decide
Great idea. Let the states decide. Gotta love the 10th amendment.

But I do wonder how he feels about letting the states decide whether to allow gay marriage or abortions?
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RE: Bernie: Stop federal ban on marijuana, let states decide
My only issue with this is that it is being adopted by a group to merely win votes. Bernie doesn't believe in Federalism per se. He doesn't believe that states ought to be making this decision. He wants something. He wants a particular set of laws adopted or ignored.

Where is his outrage over sanctuary cities?

It's contrived and it is painfully obvious.
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RE: Bernie: Stop federal ban on marijuana, let states decide
(10-29-2015 12:55 PM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  Great idea. Let the states decide. Gotta love the 10th amendment.

But I do wonder how he feels about letting the states decide whether to allow gay marriage or abortions?

He's of the Equal Protections Clause school of thought on gay marriage (Constitutionally-mandated equality decision Supreme Court etc.), I can't say for sure about abortion though I do know he is pro-choice.
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(10-29-2015 12:56 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  My only issue with this is that it is being adopted by a group to merely win votes. Bernie doesn't believe in Federalism per se. He doesn't believe that states ought to be making this decision. He wants something. He wants a particular set of laws adopted or ignored.

Where is his outrage over sanctuary cities?

It's contrived and it is painfully obvious.

I disagree. This position is in line with the Constitution, much like his other positions on things like gay marriage. The idea behind gay marriage is that the EPC provides a foundation to make sure civil rights are guaranteed to all. The argument for marijuana legalization is to make a system similar to alcohol and tobacco in which regulation is enforced and taxes levied.
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(10-29-2015 12:58 PM)Ole Blue Wrote:  
(10-29-2015 12:56 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  My only issue with this is that it is being adopted by a group to merely win votes. Bernie doesn't believe in Federalism per se. He doesn't believe that states ought to be making this decision. He wants something. He wants a particular set of laws adopted or ignored.

Where is his outrage over sanctuary cities?

It's contrived and it is painfully obvious.

I disagree. This position is in line with the Constitution, much like his other positions on things like gay marriage. The idea behind gay marriage is that the EPC provides a foundation to make sure civil rights are guaranteed to all. The argument for marijuana legalization is to make a system similar to alcohol and tobacco in which regulation is enforced and taxes levied.

Pass

I'll let somebody else take on Constitutional Law 101 this time.

I'll just say "okay."
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(10-29-2015 12:52 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  I agree with the position, it's just that I really don't care about this issue as much as the High Times crowd does. I just don't.

I get that....

I also get not wanting to go to jail....

that one will get you some time if you grow your own.....

hell, how long ago was it when one was allowed to brew their own beer.....now look at the micro-brews....

sometimes, "I" doesn't make sense....
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(10-29-2015 12:58 PM)Ole Blue Wrote:  
(10-29-2015 12:56 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  My only issue with this is that it is being adopted by a group to merely win votes. Bernie doesn't believe in Federalism per se. He doesn't believe that states ought to be making this decision. He wants something. He wants a particular set of laws adopted or ignored.

Where is his outrage over sanctuary cities?

It's contrived and it is painfully obvious.

I disagree. This position is in line with the Constitution, much like his other positions on things like gay marriage. The idea behind gay marriage is that the EPC provides a foundation to make sure civil rights are guaranteed to all. The argument for marijuana legalization is to make a system similar to alcohol and tobacco in which regulation is enforced and taxes levied.

I want to hear a plausible argument that involves gay marriage and marijuana.....

oopsy, didn't read far enough to realize it was already completely off-topic....

now I understand....
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(10-29-2015 01:03 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  
(10-29-2015 12:52 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  I agree with the position, it's just that I really don't care about this issue as much as the High Times crowd does. I just don't.

I get that....

I also get not wanting to go to jail....

that one will get you some time if you grow your own.....

hell, how long ago was it when one was allowed to brew their own beer.....no look at the micro-brews....

sometimes, "I" doesn't make sense....


I was in court for a speeding ticket in Purvis.....sitting there with several other folks with various minor charges. Guy before me had a weed possession charge....judge dropped it completely, no fine, no nothing (which is a-okay with me). I was next up.....I just looked at the judge with a "there's no way you're fining me $160 after that" and she proceeded to let me walk out scot-free.
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(10-29-2015 12:55 PM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  Great idea. Let the states decide. Gotta love the 10th amendment.

But I do wonder how he feels about letting the states decide whether to allow gay marriage or abortions?

At this point, your bigger hurdle is the 14th Amendment.
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(10-29-2015 01:06 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  
(10-29-2015 01:03 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  
(10-29-2015 12:52 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  I agree with the position, it's just that I really don't care about this issue as much as the High Times crowd does. I just don't.

I get that....

I also get not wanting to go to jail....

that one will get you some time if you grow your own.....

hell, how long ago was it when one was allowed to brew their own beer.....no look at the micro-brews....

sometimes, "I" doesn't make sense....


I was in court for a speeding ticket in Purvis.....sitting there with several other folks with various minor charges. Guy before me had a weed possession charge....judge dropped it completely, no fine, no nothing (which is a-okay with me). I was next up.....I just looked at the judge with a "there's no way you're fining me $160 after that" and she proceeded to let me walk out scot-free.

:golf clap:

well done....

lamar co. court is tolerant 03-wink
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(10-29-2015 01:08 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  
(10-29-2015 01:06 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  
(10-29-2015 01:03 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  
(10-29-2015 12:52 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  I agree with the position, it's just that I really don't care about this issue as much as the High Times crowd does. I just don't.

I get that....

I also get not wanting to go to jail....

that one will get you some time if you grow your own.....

hell, how long ago was it when one was allowed to brew their own beer.....no look at the micro-brews....

sometimes, "I" doesn't make sense....


I was in court for a speeding ticket in Purvis.....sitting there with several other folks with various minor charges. Guy before me had a weed possession charge....judge dropped it completely, no fine, no nothing (which is a-okay with me). I was next up.....I just looked at the judge with a "there's no way you're fining me $160 after that" and she proceeded to let me walk out scot-free.

:golf clap:

well done....

lamar co. court is tolerant 03-wink

Unless the Lamar County Marine Corps finds booze in your trunk
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(10-29-2015 01:09 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  
(10-29-2015 01:08 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  
(10-29-2015 01:06 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  
(10-29-2015 01:03 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  
(10-29-2015 12:52 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  I agree with the position, it's just that I really don't care about this issue as much as the High Times crowd does. I just don't.

I get that....

I also get not wanting to go to jail....

that one will get you some time if you grow your own.....

hell, how long ago was it when one was allowed to brew their own beer.....no look at the micro-brews....

sometimes, "I" doesn't make sense....


I was in court for a speeding ticket in Purvis.....sitting there with several other folks with various minor charges. Guy before me had a weed possession charge....judge dropped it completely, no fine, no nothing (which is a-okay with me). I was next up.....I just looked at the judge with a "there's no way you're fining me $160 after that" and she proceeded to let me walk out scot-free.

:golf clap:

well done....

lamar co. court is tolerant 03-wink

Unless the Lamar County Marine Corps finds booze in your trunk

they are a different breed.....I've played with dem folks.....you learn how the speak 'neck immediately....just like when I moved here in '74 03-wink
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(10-29-2015 01:05 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  
(10-29-2015 12:58 PM)Ole Blue Wrote:  
(10-29-2015 12:56 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  My only issue with this is that it is being adopted by a group to merely win votes. Bernie doesn't believe in Federalism per se. He doesn't believe that states ought to be making this decision. He wants something. He wants a particular set of laws adopted or ignored.

Where is his outrage over sanctuary cities?

It's contrived and it is painfully obvious.

I disagree. This position is in line with the Constitution, much like his other positions on things like gay marriage. The idea behind gay marriage is that the EPC provides a foundation to make sure civil rights are guaranteed to all. The argument for marijuana legalization is to make a system similar to alcohol and tobacco in which regulation is enforced and taxes levied.

I want to hear a plausible argument that involves gay marriage and marijuana.....

oopsy, didn't read far enough to realize it was already completely off-topic....

now I understand....

The idea of cut-and-dry federalism really doesn't work in the real world. That's the point I was trying to make. Our system just isn't built that way, even in the Constitution itself the powers that be in the government are murky.
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(10-29-2015 01:15 PM)Ole Blue Wrote:  
(10-29-2015 01:05 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  
(10-29-2015 12:58 PM)Ole Blue Wrote:  
(10-29-2015 12:56 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  My only issue with this is that it is being adopted by a group to merely win votes. Bernie doesn't believe in Federalism per se. He doesn't believe that states ought to be making this decision. He wants something. He wants a particular set of laws adopted or ignored.

Where is his outrage over sanctuary cities?

It's contrived and it is painfully obvious.

I disagree. This position is in line with the Constitution, much like his other positions on things like gay marriage. The idea behind gay marriage is that the EPC provides a foundation to make sure civil rights are guaranteed to all. The argument for marijuana legalization is to make a system similar to alcohol and tobacco in which regulation is enforced and taxes levied.

I want to hear a plausible argument that involves gay marriage and marijuana.....

oopsy, didn't read far enough to realize it was already completely off-topic....

now I understand....

The idea of cut-and-dry federalism really doesn't work in the real world. That's the point I was trying to make. Our system just isn't built that way, even in the Constitution itself the powers that be in the government are murky.

I'm still trying to figure out the relevance to the topic....

that was my point....
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(10-29-2015 01:07 PM)Hitch Wrote:  
(10-29-2015 12:55 PM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  Great idea. Let the states decide. Gotta love the 10th amendment.

But I do wonder how he feels about letting the states decide whether to allow gay marriage or abortions?

At this point, your bigger hurdle is the 14th Amendment.

Ah that lovely 14th amendment. Funny how it works.

The liberals used it to allow gay marriage and the conservatives invoked the 14th in their decision on the Busk-Gore Florida recount. But actually, it was on a 7-2 vote, so even part of the left wing agreed.
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The more people that are high on Mary Jane the better for Bernie.
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