(10-29-2015 07:23 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(10-29-2015 01:32 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(10-29-2015 11:08 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  This is where the Big 12 could do WVU a favor and bring in 2-4 schools closer to home to help out recruiting players that can easily relate to much better.

Are the other 9 members of the league actually going to do such a favor for one of its members? What's in it for them?

Bump

yes, if the Big12 is a bad fit for WV, maybe the best thing for everybody is just to let WV leave rather than add even more programs that don't fit.

(10-29-2015 06:36 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(10-29-2015 09:35 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  Great ESPN article. Do you agree with it?


ESPN Link

Because the big east sucked. No team from the old big east is thriving without each other to beat up.

Simple

Actually, the post-Miami Big East was a pretty good football league, as good as the ACC or B1G from 2005 - 2011. A good record OOC, in bowls, even BCS bowls.

Maybe, those post-Big East teams needed each other to push each other, and are now fish out of water in new conferences. WVU is in a real tough spot with the travel.

The Big 12 is a bad fit for WVU. Especially since the Big 12 didn't go after Louisville also. Now the Big 12 possible expansion candidates are more regional to the rest of the Big 12 not WVU.

(10-30-2015 06:33 AM)hawghiggs Wrote:  The Big 12 is a bad fit for WVU.

It's a bad fit in every way except for the 800-pound gorilla way: Without the Big 12, WVU is in the G5, not the P5.

(10-30-2015 06:44 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-30-2015 06:33 AM)hawghiggs Wrote:  The Big 12 is a bad fit for WVU.

It's a bad fit in every way except for the 800-pound gorilla way: Without the Big 12, WVU is in the G5, not the P5.

Correct

Man TCU lite West Virgin1a's @ss up last night!

(10-30-2015 07:58 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  Man TCU lite West Virgin1a's @ss up last night!

Maybe the reason TCU is thriving better than West Virginia is that they are a better team, and they were a better team when they both joined. This isn't Lake Wobegon. Some of the children ARE below average.

Yeah but TCU was doing well before it joined the XII, too.

Patterson is doing something right. That's for sure.


Even WV's coach slapped Boykin's hand after a ridiculous run that ended on the WV sideline. That pretty much sums it up.

Count me in on those who are saying the difference is coaching.

I was never sold on Holgy. He coached WVU for on year in the Big East and even though they won a share of the conference championship with UC and UofL, they were dominant. They went 5-2 in conference that year and I can recall three games that came down to the wire that could have easily gone the other way. I think if WVU had not spanked Clemson in a bowl game that year he probably would not still be coaching there today.

If and when WVU makes the right hire they will do fine in the Big 12.

It's all about coaching.

a lot is coaching- but geography is a part as well. TCU now is getting a lot of Texas players. WVU isn't.

It's interesting about the thought about Holgy if he hadn't spanked Clemson in Orange Bowl- if he's still there today.

(10-30-2015 11:59 AM)stever20 Wrote:  a lot is coaching- but geography is a part as well. TCU now is getting a lot of Texas players. WVU isn't.

It's interesting about the thought about Holgy if he hadn't spanked Clemson in Orange Bowl- if he's still there today.

I had an epic email exchange with Mark Packer college sports radio, before that game.
He was saying on the air WVU had no shot to beat Clemson. To his credit he manned up and sent me a "you were right" email.

(10-30-2015 11:59 AM)stever20 Wrote:  a lot is coaching- but geography is a part as well. TCU now is getting a lot of Texas players. WVU isn't.

It's interesting about the thought about Holgy if he hadn't spanked Clemson in Orange Bowl- if he's still there today.

Was WV getting Florida players when Miami was in the Big East?

Seems like they would get a fair amount of talent from Virginia, Maryland and PA. Plus home grown a bit.

(10-30-2015 12:19 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(10-30-2015 11:59 AM)stever20 Wrote:  a lot is coaching- but geography is a part as well. TCU now is getting a lot of Texas players. WVU isn't.

It's interesting about the thought about Holgy if he hadn't spanked Clemson in Orange Bowl- if he's still there today.

Was WV getting Florida players when Miami was in the Big East?

Seems like they would get a fair amount of talent from Virginia, Maryland and PA. Plus home grown a bit.

When Miami was in the Big East WVU wasn't good.

(10-30-2015 12:19 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(10-30-2015 11:59 AM)stever20 Wrote:  a lot is coaching- but geography is a part as well. TCU now is getting a lot of Texas players. WVU isn't.

It's interesting about the thought about Holgy if he hadn't spanked Clemson in Orange Bowl- if he's still there today.

Was WV getting Florida players when Miami was in the Big East?

Seems like they would get a fair amount of talent from Virginia, Maryland and PA. Plus home grown a bit.

WVU did recruit Florida pretty well in the Big East. They have always gotten a lot of talent from the states you mentioned and I would also include DC and New Jersey. Not a lot of homegrown talent in the Mountaineer State.

(10-30-2015 12:23 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(10-30-2015 12:19 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(10-30-2015 11:59 AM)stever20 Wrote:  a lot is coaching- but geography is a part as well. TCU now is getting a lot of Texas players. WVU isn't.

It's interesting about the thought about Holgy if he hadn't spanked Clemson in Orange Bowl- if he's still there today.

Was WV getting Florida players when Miami was in the Big East?

Seems like they would get a fair amount of talent from Virginia, Maryland and PA. Plus home grown a bit.

When Miami was in the Big East WVU wasn't good.

WV isn't currently great ...

Just saying, if WV's chance at a good/great season rests solely on the ability to get Texas (or Florida) high school recruits to come up to Morgantown ... that seems like a risky proposition.

(10-30-2015 12:27 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(10-30-2015 12:19 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(10-30-2015 11:59 AM)stever20 Wrote:  a lot is coaching- but geography is a part as well. TCU now is getting a lot of Texas players. WVU isn't.

It's interesting about the thought about Holgy if he hadn't spanked Clemson in Orange Bowl- if he's still there today.

Was WV getting Florida players when Miami was in the Big East?

Seems like they would get a fair amount of talent from Virginia, Maryland and PA. Plus home grown a bit.

WVU did recruit Florida pretty well in the Big East. They have always gotten a lot of talent from the states you mentioned and I would also include DC and New Jersey. Not a lot of homegrown talent in the Mountaineer State.

Thanks.

So are they not recruiting Texas as well as they did Florida?

Of course, there's the coaching aspect.

(10-30-2015 12:29 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(10-30-2015 12:27 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(10-30-2015 12:19 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(10-30-2015 11:59 AM)stever20 Wrote:  a lot is coaching- but geography is a part as well. TCU now is getting a lot of Texas players. WVU isn't.

It's interesting about the thought about Holgy if he hadn't spanked Clemson in Orange Bowl- if he's still there today.

Was WV getting Florida players when Miami was in the Big East?

Seems like they would get a fair amount of talent from Virginia, Maryland and PA. Plus home grown a bit.

WVU did recruit Florida pretty well in the Big East. They have always gotten a lot of talent from the states you mentioned and I would also include DC and New Jersey. Not a lot of homegrown talent in the Mountaineer State.

Thanks.

So are they not recruiting Texas as well as they did Florida?

Of course, there's the coaching aspect.

They have been averaging 4-5 FL recruits a year in the Big 12. They have been averaging about 1-2 Texans per class.

Again I would go back to coaching. As someone who has followed WVU for a number of years (even before UC was in the Big East due to family relationships) the biggest difference I see is on defense. I think the WVU teams of Rich Rodriguez and even Bill Stewart had better defenses. I think coaching is a big difference although maybe one could argue the defensive talent is as good as it was those days.

(10-30-2015 12:19 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(10-30-2015 11:59 AM)stever20 Wrote:  a lot is coaching- but geography is a part as well. TCU now is getting a lot of Texas players. WVU isn't.

It's interesting about the thought about Holgy if he hadn't spanked Clemson in Orange Bowl- if he's still there today.

Was WV getting Florida players when Miami was in the Big East?

Seems like they would get a fair amount of talent from Virginia, Maryland and PA. Plus home grown a bit.

WVU got players from Florida both before and after Miami left the Big East. Everybody in the Big East recruits down in Florida.

Thanks guys.

Coaching is obviously huge. Patterson is a great coach (and close friend of Jerry Kill).

He's doing something right.