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Somebody call 911. My favorite sport is being murdered!

Watching UVA play GW...kersey and this crew are calling a lot of fouls. Btw....with our full team...we beat UVA. They are not looking good.

(11-16-2015 07:58 PM)paintedblue2 Wrote:  Somebody call 911. My favorite sport is being murdered!

It has been being murdered for years, if it takes a year to get players to stop clutching, and bumping, and grabbing on every cut, then I will take it and appreciate the improved game in years to come. If they do this crap early, only to abandon it later and accomplish nothing, then I will be upset.

(11-16-2015 10:21 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(11-16-2015 07:58 PM)paintedblue2 Wrote:  Somebody call 911. My favorite sport is being murdered!

It has been being murdered for years, if it takes a year to get players to stop clutching, and bumping, and grabbing on every cut, then I will take it and appreciate the improved game in years to come. If they do this crap early, only to abandon it later and accomplish nothing, then I will be upset.

It is so brutal to watch this. The players can't adjust and they will end up scaling it back somehow. What they were calling tonight was too far in the other direction.

Of course they can adjust. Just go watch a game from the 80s and you will see. I am sick of watching wrestling matches in the paint and shooters that can't get free because of the muggings that happen when they try to run through the paint. The terrible pick and roll basketball that all the moving screens allows is unwatchable too. The only thing I would say is that some refs are doing a better job than others. I don't care to see them call a slight bump 40 feet from the basket like the guys tonight were calling, it seemed like they were just trying to hit a quota and picking off the low hanging fruit.

Keep in mind that the rules and the "points of emphasis" comes solely from the rules committee which is all NCAA coaches (D1,2, and 3). The officials are simply enforcing the rules that the coaches want.

If we don't want a bump called 40 ft from the basket then the players should hit, chuck or impede 40 ft. from the basket. When you start deciding that some fouls aren't worthy of being called, you risk not calling the game the way it was intended to be called. Then people yell that there is no consistency.

A foul is a foul. 4 feet or 40 feet from the basket. Call the rules as written.

The problem I have is that it seems that the refs are taking the low hanging fruit. I was watching Trey's cuts last night as it relates to the new officiating guidelines just to see if they really are improving freedom of movement. He was getting held, grabbed, bumped, hugged and everything else you could imagine every time he cut through the lane, and I think they called it twice. My point is, if they are going to emphasize freedom of movement, then they should be focusing on those calls, and maybe paying less attention to the ones that don't help accomplish their stated goal.

Did anyone see the box score from the Memphis - South Carolina game yesterday? 68 total fouls called. Memphis had 5 guys foul out. The teams combined for 99 foul shots.

http://gotigersgo.com/boxscore.aspx?id=9376&path=mbball


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(01-03-2016 06:39 PM)ODUCoach Wrote:  Did anyone see the box score from the Memphis - South Carolina game yesterday? 68 total fouls called. Memphis had 5 guys foul out. The teams combined for 99 foul shots.

http://gotigersgo.com/boxscore.aspx?id=9376&path=mbball


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Based on the games I've watched over the past few weeks, it certainly seems that, despite the adamant stance that it wasn't going to happen, the refs have again gone away from the points of emphasis yet again. The games recently have been MUCH more physical than they were in November. I'd love to get Coach Jones' take on it.

(02-02-2016 12:07 PM)ODUCoach Wrote:  Based on the games I've watched over the past few weeks, it certainly seems that, despite the adamant stance that it wasn't going to happen, the refs have again gone away from the points of emphasis yet again. The games recently have been MUCH more physical than they were in November. I'd love to get Coach Jones' take on it.

I was thinking the same thing the other day. Hand checking, all kinds of bumping and shoving not being called.

ODU games or games in general? I've seen some games on TV where the foul calling is frustrating.

I think the games, in general, have become much more physical since conference play started. Sure, there are some individual refs that seem to be trying to enforce the points of emphasis, but overall, it's definitely regressed. I am not, by any stretch, a fan of Mark Gottfried and NC State, but the other day, Florida State mugged Cat Barber the entire game, and very little was called.

I know they wanted to squash the physical hand-checking, bumping to increase the flow of the game. In my opinion, although the bumping and grinding hurts, the lack of offensive flow is due to how the game is played today. In my day, sounded like my father, the teams ran more offensive sets that gave the game flow. today, the play is more dribble drive and kick out or high screen and roll. I have looked back at video from games back in the early 80
s ( my time ) and the offensive flow is there. again just my opinion and observations.

(02-03-2016 02:37 PM)odubsu Wrote:  I know they wanted to squash the physical hand-checking, bumping to increase the flow of the game. In my opinion, although the bumping and grinding hurts, the lack of offensive flow is due to how the game is played today. In my day, sounded like my father, the teams ran more offensive sets that gave the game flow. today, the play is more dribble drive and kick out or high screen and roll. I have looked back at video from games back in the early 80
s ( my time ) and the offensive flow is there. again just my opinion and observations.

You're talking pre shot clock days. In those days you could run an offense that would just grind a defense into submission. Remember 4 corners? With 30 seconds there isn't enough time to run a complicated offense. If the first few options aren't there they have to improvise. I remember coaching my youngest sons youth team. I tried to implement an offense we ran in high school that involved hi/low post and corner rotating with the guards reversing sides and screening on the reverse, with an occasional skip pass to the guard if he was open. It was designed to work if you kept at it until someone broke open at the low post for a layup or an open mid range shot. Most of them couldn't hit anything farther out. But they had no patience for it and regressed into one on one street ball. And we had no shot clock. Maybe I just wasn't a good coach or maybe it was too complicated for their age. But if we had a shot clock it probably wouldn't have worked anyway.

And this is why every time they shorten the shot clock to "improve scoring" it is proven to be the sham that it is. Shortening the shot clock takes a little more life out of college basketball every time the power coaches force it through.

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(02-03-2016 07:52 PM)Chillie Willie Wrote:  

(02-03-2016 02:37 PM)odubsu Wrote:  I know they wanted to squash the physical hand-checking, bumping to increase the flow of the game. In my opinion, although the bumping and grinding hurts, the lack of offensive flow is due to how the game is played today. In my day, sounded like my father, the teams ran more offensive sets that gave the game flow. today, the play is more dribble drive and kick out or high screen and roll. I have looked back at video from games back in the early 80
s ( my time ) and the offensive flow is there. again just my opinion and observations.

You're talking pre shot clock days. In those days you could run an offense that would just grind a defense into submission. Remember 4 corners? With 30 seconds there isn't enough time to run a complicated offense. If the first few options aren't there they have to improvise. I remember coaching my youngest sons youth team. I tried to implement an offense we ran in high school that involved hi/low post and corner rotating with the guards reversing sides and screening on the reverse, with an occasional skip pass to the guard if he was open. It was designed to work if you kept at it until someone broke open at the low post for a layup or an open mid range shot. Most of them couldn't hit anything farther out. But they had no patience for it and regressed into one on one street ball. And we had no shot clock. Maybe I just wasn't a good coach or maybe it was too complicated for their age. But if we had a shot clock it probably wouldn't have worked anyway.

man, that sounds like what we ran in high school in 1983/84. if you added the shot clock to what we ran, you would have only enough time to look for the guy coming across the lane or the mid range jumper from the elbow. you right, shot clock has changed the game a lot. but I miss the old days. back in the day when it was drilled into your head to feed the post and guards could do it.

(02-04-2016 12:16 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  And this is why every time they shorten the shot clock to "improve scoring" it is proven to be the sham that it is. Shortening the shot clock takes a little more life out of college basketball every time the power coaches force it through.

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remember when it first came out it was 45 seconds.

Yep. In my opinion that was the sweet spot. As pressure has increased on coaches, and players have started leaving earlier and earlier, the easiest way for power coaches to deal with teams that have 4 and 5 year players is to dumb down the game to a level where freshmen can dominate the sport. Next will be the 6 foul rule that allows power coaches with shorter benches due to attrition to play fewer played. They will tell us it is better because it keeps the best players on the court more, and that's what fans want to see. The game is eating itself right now, and I am at the point where I wish the NCAA would blow the whole thing up and find a way to make the college game as unattractive as possible to the best players who are looking to bail at the first opportunity to get paid. I would rather watch teams with less talent compete with a cohesive team than the garbage that the NBA one and done rule has created. If not that, challenge the power schools to split off and let the others take the power back. They threaten the split every time the NCAA tries to put its foot down, but I don't think they would do it because they likely would find "lower level" basketball and its tournament would end up being more popular than theirs. Without Cinderella their tournament dies, and it is time for the majority of colleges to play that card to clean the NCAA up.

Sorry for the rambling all over the place rant.

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(02-04-2016 12:30 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  Yep. In my opinion that was the sweet spot. As pressure has increased on coaches, and players have started leaving earlier and earlier, the easiest way for power coaches to deal with teams that have 4 and 5 year players is to dumb down the game to a level where freshmen can dominate the sport. Next will be the 6 foul rule that allows power coaches with shorter benches due to attrition to play fewer played. They will tell us it is better because it keeps the best players on the court more, and that's what fans want to see. The game is eating itself right now, and I am at the point where I wish the NCAA would blow the whole thing up and find a way to make the college game as unattractive as possible to the best players who are looking to bail at the first opportunity to get paid. I would rather watch teams with less talent compete with a cohesive team than the garbage that the NBA one and done rule has created. If not that, challenge the power schools to split off and let the others take the power back. They threaten the split every time the NCAA tries to put its foot down, but I don't think they would do it because they likely would find "lower level" basketball and its tournament would end up being more popular than theirs. Without Cinderella their tournament dies, and it is time for the majority of colleges to play that card to clean the NCAA up.

Sorry for the rambling all over the place rant.

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agreed. the power conferences are looking more and more like the NBA. I would like for the one and done guys to go. Let them go into the NBA right out of high school. If they can't make it, tough. I very seldom watch, except to UVA, any power conference basketball. I prefer to watch teams from lower conferences.