I'm trying to figure out who the "Memphis j/os" really are in here. Transitt debates a lot, but he's not rude. Sherekhan trolls, but he's obvious and funny, and points it out, sorta like BC#1.

We have a bunch of vocal fans, but no more than UCF before they collapsed, or ECU, or a couple others. I don't really recall many, or perhaps any, blatant "j/os," and certainly not "most" of Memphis' fans. Just trying to understand where that came from.

(10-27-2015 02:34 PM)msu65 Wrote:  Also, I should apologize for inferring you agreed to the entire comment. You were only agreeing with a disclaimer and I should have stated so.

No problem, I inderstand.

Some Memphis fans are trying to figure out how to handle success. They will get the hang of it soon.

(10-27-2015 01:56 PM)oldtiger Wrote:  

(10-27-2015 01:19 PM)apex_pirate Wrote:  Memphis is in a fine spot. So much jealousy and admiration from this Pirate.

As far as the article being positive, it helps if it's written by your ex-basketball beat writer who is now with USAToday. :)

I don't care who wrote it. The fact remains that Memphis is doing all that they can to be in the spot they are. And that, my friend, is causing me extreme jealousy and admiration. Sure wish something like this would happen to the Pirates. Well it did last year but I'd like it minus the fail at Temple, Cincy and home with UCF. Plus you beat Ole Miss and we lost to USC. Would love to be in your shoes right now.

If the committee valued undefeated teams so highly...I would expect Memphis to at least be a Top 10 team.

Anything less is preposterous.

(10-27-2015 01:20 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  Well they would have to be higher than 23rd:

It's interesting to note that Ohio St. was ranked #16. This shows that a team can jump up the Selection Committee rankings and into the top-4 over the last month of the season.

(10-27-2015 03:47 PM)apex_pirate Wrote:  

(10-27-2015 01:56 PM)oldtiger Wrote:  

(10-27-2015 01:19 PM)apex_pirate Wrote:  Memphis is in a fine spot. So much jealousy and admiration from this Pirate.

As far as the article being positive, it helps if it's written by your ex-basketball beat writer who is now with USAToday. :)

I don't care who wrote it. The fact remains that Memphis is doing all that they can to be in the spot they are. And that, my friend, is causing me extreme jealousy and admiration. Sure wish something like this would happen to the Pirates. Well it did last year but I'd like it minus the fail at Temple, Cincy and home with UCF. Plus you beat Ole Miss and we lost to USC. Would love to be in your shoes right now.

Thank you.

The first game that I attended was in 1962, so I've seen some pretty good teams and some that weren't. This one is exceptional and it a great ride where I really have to pinch myself and hold back some emotions that a long time follower of any of our programs at this level would understand.

It's still all about balance and keeping everything in perspective, however.

Thanks for the comments.

(10-27-2015 01:35 PM)dave108 Wrote:  

(10-27-2015 01:19 PM)apex_pirate Wrote:  Memphis is in a fine spot. So much jealousy and admiration from this Pirate.

would be much happier for them, though, if most of its fans didn't come across as j/o's

Yeah, bearcats1 is just the nicest poster in the world...you boys deserve every single bit of the jackassery coming Cindy's way.

(10-27-2015 02:46 PM)TripleA Wrote:  I'm trying to figure out who the "Memphis j/os" really are in here. Transitt debates a lot, but he's not rude. Sherekhan trolls, but he's obvious and funny, and points it out, sorta like BC#1.

We have a bunch of vocal fans, but no more than UCF before they collapsed, or ECU, or a couple others. I don't really recall many, or perhaps any, blatant "j/os," and certainly not "most" of Memphis' fans. Just trying to understand where that came from.

* raises hand and smiles *

(10-27-2015 03:50 PM)TampaKnight Wrote:  If the committee valued undefeated teams so highly...I would expect Memphis to at least be a Top 10 team.

Anything less is preposterous.

I think the Selection Committee does value SOS and quality wins.

Memphis should at least be ahead of one-loss pretenders like Stanford, Utah, Michigan, and Oklahoma. And who have Oklahoma St., Iowa and even Ohio St., Baylor, and TCU beaten to deserve substantially higher rankings? Which of those teams has a better win? (Utah is the only team with a "better" win...)

If every week is a playoff, then wouldn't a loss to an unranked opponent essentially cut you out of the CFP picture? (Stanford, Utah, Oklahoma....)

Stanford's best wins = #24 UCLA, at unranked USC? Lost to unranked Northwestern.

Utah = #15 Michigan by a touchdown, unranked Cal by 6. Lost to unranked USC.

Oklahoma = unranked Tennessee? Unranked WVU? Texas Tech? Lost to unranked Texas.

Michigan = Unranked Northwestern? Unranked BYU? Lost to #13 Utah and #7 Michigan St.

Iowa = #23 Pitt by 3. Unranked Northwestern? Unranked Wisconsin?

Ohio St. = Unranked Penn St.? Unranked Virginia Tech? NIU by 7? Maryland? Indiana? Rutgers? Western Michigan?

Baylor = Unranked WVU? Texas Tech?

Oklahoma St. = Unranked WVU? Texas Tech? (I see a pattern here)

TCU = Unranked Minnesota? Unranked Texas Tech?

Memphis = #19 Ole Miss by two scores. No losses.

My prediction:

Memphis will start off the poll in the 20s, SEVERAL spots worse than the AP/Coaches. Houston and Toledo probably won't be ranked at all.

Why?

To make it virtually impossible for the AAC champ to rise to the Top 4.

(10-27-2015 03:24 PM)CFF1991 Wrote:  Some Memphis fans are trying to figure out how to handle success. They will get the hang of it soon.

Uh, we've had some success in basketball, I'd say, and those of us who are old enough actually recall success in football, too, lol.

(10-27-2015 04:23 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(10-27-2015 03:50 PM)TampaKnight Wrote:  If the committee valued undefeated teams so highly...I would expect Memphis to at least be a Top 10 team.

Anything less is preposterous.

I think the Selection Committee does value SOS and quality wins.

Memphis should at least be ahead of one-loss pretenders like Stanford, Utah, Michigan, and Oklahoma. And who have Oklahoma St., Iowa and even Ohio St., Baylor, and TCU beaten to deserve substantially higher rankings? Which of those teams has a better win? (Utah is the only team with a "better" win...)

If every week is a playoff, then wouldn't a loss to an unranked opponent essentially cut you out of the CFP picture? (Stanford, Utah, Oklahoma....)

Stanford's best wins = #24 UCLA, at unranked USC? Lost to unranked Northwestern.

Utah = #15 Michigan by a touchdown, unranked Cal by 6. Lost to unranked USC.

Oklahoma = unranked Tennessee? Unranked WVU? Texas Tech? Lost to unranked Texas.

Michigan = Unranked Northwestern? Unranked BYU? Lost to #13 Utah and #7 Michigan St.

Iowa = #23 Pitt by 3. Unranked Northwestern? Unranked Wisconsin?

Ohio St. = Unranked Penn St.? Unranked Virginia Tech? NIU by 7? Maryland? Indiana? Rutgers? Western Michigan?

Baylor = Unranked WVU? Texas Tech?

Oklahoma St. = Unranked WVU? Texas Tech? (I see a pattern here)

TCU = Unranked Minnesota? Unranked Texas Tech?

Memphis = #19 Ole Miss by two scores. No losses.

Ole Miss was actually #13 when we beat them. In football records, they actually show the rank as of game day.

(10-27-2015 04:32 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(10-27-2015 04:23 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(10-27-2015 03:50 PM)TampaKnight Wrote:  If the committee valued undefeated teams so highly...I would expect Memphis to at least be a Top 10 team.

Anything less is preposterous.

I think the Selection Committee does value SOS and quality wins.

Memphis should at least be ahead of one-loss pretenders like Stanford, Utah, Michigan, and Oklahoma. And who have Oklahoma St., Iowa and even Ohio St., Baylor, and TCU beaten to deserve substantially higher rankings? Which of those teams has a better win? (Utah is the only team with a "better" win...)

If every week is a playoff, then wouldn't a loss to an unranked opponent essentially cut you out of the CFP picture? (Stanford, Utah, Oklahoma....)

Stanford's best wins = #24 UCLA, at unranked USC? Lost to unranked Northwestern.

Utah = #15 Michigan by a touchdown, unranked Cal by 6. Lost to unranked USC.

Oklahoma = unranked Tennessee? Unranked WVU? Texas Tech? Lost to unranked Texas.

Michigan = Unranked Northwestern? Unranked BYU? Lost to #13 Utah and #7 Michigan St.

Iowa = #23 Pitt by 3. Unranked Northwestern? Unranked Wisconsin?

Ohio St. = Unranked Penn St.? Unranked Virginia Tech? NIU by 7? Maryland? Indiana? Rutgers? Western Michigan?

Baylor = Unranked WVU? Texas Tech?

Oklahoma St. = Unranked WVU? Texas Tech? (I see a pattern here)

TCU = Unranked Minnesota? Unranked Texas Tech?

Memphis = #19 Ole Miss by two scores. No losses.

Ole Miss was actually #13 when we beat them. In football records, they actually show the rank as of game day.

I hope the selection committee doesn't...But since they don't start evaluating until week 9 it is a little more fair.

According to CBS, Memphis would be #11 using the old BCS computer formula.

(10-27-2015 04:24 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  My prediction:

Memphis will start off the poll in the 20s, SEVERAL spots worse than the AP/Coaches. Houston and Toledo probably won't be ranked at all.

Why?

To make it virtually impossible for the AAC champ to rise to the Top 4.

That would not surprise me one bit. The system will always be influenced in some way if its allowed o happen.

(10-27-2015 04:42 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(10-27-2015 04:32 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(10-27-2015 04:23 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(10-27-2015 03:50 PM)TampaKnight Wrote:  If the committee valued undefeated teams so highly...I would expect Memphis to at least be a Top 10 team.

Anything less is preposterous.

I think the Selection Committee does value SOS and quality wins.

Memphis should at least be ahead of one-loss pretenders like Stanford, Utah, Michigan, and Oklahoma. And who have Oklahoma St., Iowa and even Ohio St., Baylor, and TCU beaten to deserve substantially higher rankings? Which of those teams has a better win? (Utah is the only team with a "better" win...)

If every week is a playoff, then wouldn't a loss to an unranked opponent essentially cut you out of the CFP picture? (Stanford, Utah, Oklahoma....)

Stanford's best wins = #24 UCLA, at unranked USC? Lost to unranked Northwestern.

Utah = #15 Michigan by a touchdown, unranked Cal by 6. Lost to unranked USC.

Oklahoma = unranked Tennessee? Unranked WVU? Texas Tech? Lost to unranked Texas.

Michigan = Unranked Northwestern? Unranked BYU? Lost to #13 Utah and #7 Michigan St.

Iowa = #23 Pitt by 3. Unranked Northwestern? Unranked Wisconsin?

Ohio St. = Unranked Penn St.? Unranked Virginia Tech? NIU by 7? Maryland? Indiana? Rutgers? Western Michigan?

Baylor = Unranked WVU? Texas Tech?

Oklahoma St. = Unranked WVU? Texas Tech? (I see a pattern here)

TCU = Unranked Minnesota? Unranked Texas Tech?

Memphis = #19 Ole Miss by two scores. No losses.

Ole Miss was actually #13 when we beat them. In football records, they actually show the rank as of game day.

I hope the selection committee doesn't...But since they don't start evaluating until week 9 it is a little more fair.

Think of the RPI rankings and comparisons and analysis during the road to March Madness. The rankings are fluid; they change as the season progresses and teams win and lose. That's the kind of rankings and statistics that the Selection Committee is looking at on Selection Days.

Does anyone really think that Michigan St. will get credit for beating the #13 team because that was Oregon's ranking at the time? Or that USC just knocked off the #3 team in the country? No.

This is precisely why you want Ole Miss to continue to win....so that the win continues to be a quality win for Memphis. If Ole Miss falters down the stretch, Memphis will not get as much credit for the win.

Can we all agree that Ohio State is #1 simply because they started as #1?

I guess their signature win would be Maryland? They have almost lost to some not-notable teams (no offense to those teams, but Northern Illinois isn't really lighting it up this year). Tulsa would have a shot at being 8-0 with their schedule (I said a shot!) and would even have a shot until their last two games: Michigan and Michigan St. I think Navy, Temple, Houston, Memphis and ECU would have had a good chance to run the table with Ohio States schedule to date. And in similar fashion.

Schedule isn't everything. But they often haven't looked good winning...

Yet would any of us be #1 winning in that fashion with that schedule? Of course not!

Luckily, it should all shake out. If they beat Michigan and Michigan State, then beats Iowa/Northwester in the Championship game... then they have earned their way in to the playoff. Until then, I'm saying they are pretenders.

(10-27-2015 02:46 PM)TripleA Wrote:  I'm trying to figure out who the "Memphis j/os" really are in here. Transitt debates a lot, but he's not rude. Sherekhan trolls, but he's obvious and funny, and points it out, sorta like BC#1.

We have a bunch of vocal fans, but no more than UCF before they collapsed, or ECU, or a couple others. I don't really recall many, or perhaps any, blatant "j/os," and certainly not "most" of Memphis' fans. Just trying to understand where that came from.

I do not see it either.

(10-27-2015 02:15 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(10-27-2015 02:05 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  If Temple beats ND, they would make a huge jump.

Agreed...

And if Temple goes 13-0 you can replace their name with Memphis in that article...

If Houston goes 13-0 they will not have any NAME wins on their schedule...

While the computers would view wins over a 11-1 memphis and a 12-1 Temple as very valuable I doubt humans would treat them the same.

If Houston beats Memphis it proves Memphis was a fraud in the eyes of most of the public, not that Houston is good.

What on earth are you talking about... Memphis beating Ole Miss was an eye popping solid victory... And than you go on saying if Houston beats Memphis this thang is a fraud.

stop dude, before you bump your head again and give yourself a concussion now.