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CFP Distribution Estimates 2015-2016
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http://www.collegefootballplayoff.com/re...stribution

New estimates for the distribution are out. (only from playoff, bowls are an additional revenue)
P5 base w/ APR bonus for each conference is approx: $51 million. (P5 Pac and Big 10 will get $40 million each from the Rose Bowl. Totaling $91 million estimated total.

G5 portion w/APR bonus increases from $75 million to $79 million.

BYU and Army each get $309,120 if meet APR standards. (Next year UMass will join the Indy ranks)

Notre Dame will get $2.58 million.

FCS gets an increase from $2.25 million to $2.34 million.

G5 will split $20 million for conference performance (Sunbelt has 11 teams this year). Each share will be worth 1,333,333 for conference performance.

#1 conference: 5 shares, #2 4 shares...etc.
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RE: CFP Distribution Estimates 2015-2016
BYU even with their own TV contract of around $5-6 million/yr is getting diminished slowly as each year the G5 portion increases by quite a bit more than the Indy distribution. (BYU and Army got a $1,525 increase).
Using the MW as an example with the MW not getting the Access Bowl spot, each MW team will get around 3.5 to 4 million a year from the CFP G5 base + conf. perf. + bowl distrib + TV (w/no ESPN bonus). BYU bowls they have played in give them only 600-750k.
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So we got 2.6 million....
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(10-27-2015 08:22 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  BYU even with their own TV contract of around $5-6 million/yr is getting diminished slowly as each year the G5 portion increases by quite a bit more than the Indy distribution. (BYU and Army got a $1,525 increase).
Using the MW as an example with the MW not getting the Access Bowl spot, each MW team will get around 3.5 to 4 million a year from the CFP G5 base + conf. perf. + bowl distrib + TV (w/no ESPN bonus). BYU bowls they have played in give them only 600-750k.

So what you're saying is that, excluding gameday revenue (ticket sales, concessions, parking, etc.), BYU is pulling in more revenue as an independent via media contract, merchandise, etc. than what they'd get as a member of the MWC.
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I didn't think non-Notre Dame independents got anything at all from the CFP, since it's owned by the ten conferences and ND.

Also, I'm a bit shocked to see that they're giving $2.3 million to "certain" FCS conferences. Why??
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(10-27-2015 08:28 AM)domer1978 Wrote:  So we got 2.6 million....

How worried is Notre Dame regarding the amount they get total as compared to the P5 schools?
I take it ND has $20 million/yr TV deal and gets $2.6 from the playoff, with really no Orange Bowl deal guaranteed. The P5 schools (probably except the ACC schools) are standing to gain more than $6 to 10 million more per year than Notre Dame.
With the P5 confernce TV total deal around $23 million/year/school and the CFP + Rose or Sugar Bowl adding another $7.5 million/year/school with the base amount increasing each year there is a growing gap in total money that a P5 school will get over Notre Dame.
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RE: CFP Distribution Estimates 2015-2016
(10-27-2015 08:56 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  
(10-27-2015 08:22 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  BYU even with their own TV contract of around $5-6 million/yr is getting diminished slowly as each year the G5 portion increases by quite a bit more than the Indy distribution. (BYU and Army got a $1,525 increase).
Using the MW as an example with the MW not getting the Access Bowl spot, each MW team will get around 3.5 to 4 million a year from the CFP G5 base + conf. perf. + bowl distrib + TV (w/no ESPN bonus). BYU bowls they have played in give them only 600-750k.

So what you're saying is that, excluding gameday revenue (ticket sales, concessions, parking, etc.), BYU is pulling in more revenue as an independent via media contract, merchandise, etc. than what they'd get as a member of the MWC.

Yes, but the gap is closing each year. Before the CFP, BYU has a large gap between the MW schools and themselves. Now with the CFP, the gap is closing to where it won't make that much of a difference between BYU Indy status and the average MW school especially if getting an extra $500K to $1 million for EPSN TV bonus on top of the number I've given.
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(10-27-2015 08:57 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  I didn't think non-Notre Dame independents got anything at all from the CFP, since it's owned by the ten conferences and ND.

Also, I'm a bit shocked to see that they're giving $2.3 million to "certain" FCS conferences. Why??

Part of the contract. The BCS era also provided FCS (due to being Division 1) some money too.

That 2.35 million will be spread-out between those conference who allow the full amount of scholarships. Currently 8 of do, so the Big Sky for example will get $293,750/conference.
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(10-27-2015 09:01 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  
(10-27-2015 08:28 AM)domer1978 Wrote:  So we got 2.6 million....

How worried is Notre Dame regarding the amount they get total as compared to the P5 schools?
I take it ND has $20 million/yr TV deal and gets $2.6 from the playoff, with really no Orange Bowl deal guaranteed. The P5 schools (probably except the ACC schools) are standing to gain more than $6 to 10 million more per year than Notre Dame.
With the P5 confernce TV total deal around $23 million/year/school and the CFP + Rose or Sugar Bowl adding another $7.5 million/year/school with the base amount increasing each year there is a growing gap in total money that a P5 school will get over Notre Dame.

Very little worry money-wise. Their rabid "independence or die" donors make up any difference and then some.
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RE: CFP Distribution Estimates 2015-2016
(10-27-2015 09:01 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  
(10-27-2015 08:28 AM)domer1978 Wrote:  So we got 2.6 million....

How worried is Notre Dame regarding the amount they get total as compared to the P5 schools?
I take it ND has $20 million/yr TV deal and gets $2.6 from the playoff, with really no Orange Bowl deal guaranteed. The P5 schools (probably except the ACC schools) are standing to gain more than $6 to 10 million more per year than Notre Dame.
With the P5 confernce TV total deal around $23 million/year/school and the CFP + Rose or Sugar Bowl adding another $7.5 million/year/school with the base amount increasing each year there is a growing gap in total money that a P5 school will get over Notre Dame.

It really isn't a big deal to us, the Big 10 has made more then us for a while. We make it up in other areas and still a top 5 money generating school.
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RE: CFP Distribution Estimates 2015-2016
So, excluding all revenues from playing in postseason games or conference media contracts, and just looking at revenue from the CFP base payments:

B1G/SEC/ACC (14 members): $51million / 14 teams = $3.64 million per team
PAC (12 members): $51million / 12 teams = $4.25 million per team
XII (10 members): $51million / 10 teams = $5.1 million per team

Notre Dame: $2.58 million


The link only says that the G5 will get $79 million total to split among themselves as they see fit.

There are 60 G5 teams this season (excluding Charlotte, including UMass). As far as I know, they gave $1 million/team up to 12 teams to each conference last year as a base. Since the MAC has 13 teams (including UMass --- CUSA only 12, excluding Charlotte), they would only get $12 million. The SB only has 11 teams so it would only get $11 million. That's a total of $59 million. And so, the $20 million would be split into 15 shares (5+4+3+2+1), just as the OP said.

AAC (12 members - assuming will be #1 performance): $12million + 5*$1.333million = $1.55 million per team
MAC (13 members - assuming will be #2 performance): $12million + 4*$1.333million = $1.33 million per team (if UMass is excluded, then 12 members get $1.44 million)
CUSA (12 members - assuming will be #3 performance): $12million + 3*$1.333million = $1.33 million per team (if Charlotte is included, then 13 members get $1.23 million)
MWC (12 members - assuming will be #4 performance): $12million + 2*$1.33million = $1.22 million per team
SB (11 members - assuming will be $5 performance): $11million + 1*$1.33million = $1.12 million per team



Again, this excludes all revenue from playing in post season games (CFP playoffs or regular bowl games). This excludes all revenue from conference media contracts.
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(10-27-2015 09:05 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  
(10-27-2015 08:57 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  I didn't think non-Notre Dame independents got anything at all from the CFP, since it's owned by the ten conferences and ND.

Also, I'm a bit shocked to see that they're giving $2.3 million to "certain" FCS conferences. Why??

Part of the contract. The BCS era also provided FCS (due to being Division 1) some money too.

That 2.35 million will be spread-out between those conference who allow the full amount of scholarships. Currently 8 of do, so the Big Sky for example will get $293,750/conference.

Fair enough. Every little bit helps, at that level.
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(10-27-2015 09:01 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  
(10-27-2015 08:28 AM)domer1978 Wrote:  So we got 2.6 million....

How worried is Notre Dame regarding the amount they get total as compared to the P5 schools?
I take it ND has $20 million/yr TV deal and gets $2.6 from the playoff, with really no Orange Bowl deal guaranteed. The P5 schools (probably except the ACC schools) are standing to gain more than $6 to 10 million more per year than Notre Dame.
With the P5 confernce TV total deal around $23 million/year/school and the CFP + Rose or Sugar Bowl adding another $7.5 million/year/school with the base amount increasing each year there is a growing gap in total money that a P5 school will get over Notre Dame.


You would have to ask Jack Swarbrick and/or Father John Jenkins.

Me? I think that $6-10 million a year (your figure) is chump change in the grand scheme of things.
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(10-27-2015 10:55 AM)TerryD Wrote:  
(10-27-2015 09:01 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  
(10-27-2015 08:28 AM)domer1978 Wrote:  So we got 2.6 million....

How worried is Notre Dame regarding the amount they get total as compared to the P5 schools?
I take it ND has $20 million/yr TV deal and gets $2.6 from the playoff, with really no Orange Bowl deal guaranteed. The P5 schools (probably except the ACC schools) are standing to gain more than $6 to 10 million more per year than Notre Dame.
With the P5 confernce TV total deal around $23 million/year/school and the CFP + Rose or Sugar Bowl adding another $7.5 million/year/school with the base amount increasing each year there is a growing gap in total money that a P5 school will get over Notre Dame.


You would have to ask Jack Swarbrick and/or Father John Jenkins.

Me? I think that $6-10 million a year (your figure) is chump change in the grand scheme of things.

Maybe in the grand scheme of things, but after 6 years? That adds up to $36 to $60 million which really isn't chump change now.
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(10-27-2015 09:16 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  So, excluding all revenues from playing in postseason games or conference media contracts, and just looking at revenue from the CFP base payments:

B1G/SEC/ACC (14 members): $51million / 14 teams = $3.64 million per team
PAC (12 members): $51million / 12 teams = $4.25 million per team
XII (10 members): $51million / 10 teams = $5.1 million per team

Notre Dame: $2.58 million

true but then you add the 40 million for the 4 conferences....

Big 12- 91 million /10 teams= 9.1 million per team
Pac 12- 91 million/ 12 teams= 7.58 million per team
Big Ten/SEC 91 million/14 teams= 6.5 million per team
ACC 51 million/14 teams= 3.64 million per team

then take this week's AP ratings...
1 Ohio St/4 LSU
2 Baylor/3 Clemson

Sugar 5 TCU vs 7 Alabama
Rose 6 Michigan St vs 8 Stanford
access- 9 Notre Dame, 10 Iowa, 11 Florida, Memphis

total then-
Big 12 97 million/10 teams= 9.7 million per team
Pac 12 91 million/12 teams= 7.58 million per team
SEC/Big Ten 101 million/14 teams= 7.21 million per team
Notre Dame 6.58 million
ACC 57 million/ 14 teams= 4.07 million per team

definitely not a good year for the ACC at all.
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what really stinks for the ACC is if this was next year- it's the scenario that would have gotten Notre Dame into the Orange Bowl.
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(10-27-2015 10:57 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  
(10-27-2015 10:55 AM)TerryD Wrote:  
(10-27-2015 09:01 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  
(10-27-2015 08:28 AM)domer1978 Wrote:  So we got 2.6 million....

How worried is Notre Dame regarding the amount they get total as compared to the P5 schools?
I take it ND has $20 million/yr TV deal and gets $2.6 from the playoff, with really no Orange Bowl deal guaranteed. The P5 schools (probably except the ACC schools) are standing to gain more than $6 to 10 million more per year than Notre Dame.
With the P5 confernce TV total deal around $23 million/year/school and the CFP + Rose or Sugar Bowl adding another $7.5 million/year/school with the base amount increasing each year there is a growing gap in total money that a P5 school will get over Notre Dame.


You would have to ask Jack Swarbrick and/or Father John Jenkins.

Me? I think that $6-10 million a year (your figure) is chump change in the grand scheme of things.

Maybe in the grand scheme of things, but after 6 years? That adds up to $36 to $60 million which really isn't chump change now.

You are not factoring in the millions in alumni donations that ND would lose if it joined a football conference.

I still say six million to ten million per year to ND is chump change. It really doesn't matter how many years you run it out, its the same amount per year.

Run your number out 1,000 years. It is a big, scary number then......
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(10-27-2015 11:02 AM)stever20 Wrote:  
(10-27-2015 09:16 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  So, excluding all revenues from playing in postseason games or conference media contracts, and just looking at revenue from the CFP base payments:

B1G/SEC/ACC (14 members): $51million / 14 teams = $3.64 million per team
PAC (12 members): $51million / 12 teams = $4.25 million per team
XII (10 members): $51million / 10 teams = $5.1 million per team

Notre Dame: $2.58 million

true but then you add the 40 million for the 4 conferences....

Big 12- 91 million /10 teams= 9.1 million per team
Pac 12- 91 million/ 12 teams= 7.58 million per team
Big Ten/SEC 91 million/14 teams= 6.5 million per team
ACC 51 million/14 teams= 3.64 million per team

then take this week's AP ratings...
1 Ohio St/4 LSU
2 Baylor/3 Clemson

Sugar 5 TCU vs 7 Alabama
Rose 6 Michigan St vs 8 Stanford
access- 9 Notre Dame, 10 Iowa, 11 Florida, Memphis

total then-
Big 12 97 million/10 teams= 9.7 million per team
Pac 12 91 million/12 teams= 7.58 million per team
SEC/Big Ten 101 million/14 teams= 7.21 million per team
Notre Dame 6.58 million
ACC 57 million/ 14 teams= 4.07 million per team

definitely not a good year for the ACC at all.

Divide that XII pie 12 ways instead: $8.08 million per team.

And people wonder why they don't want to expand.


Of course, the money is made up and then some when you factor in conference media deals payouts per team.

That's where you get B1G and SEC $30 million per team, etc.



As for the ACC, when the XII implodes then that big Sugar payout will be transferred over. 05-stirthepot
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(10-27-2015 09:04 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  
(10-27-2015 08:56 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  
(10-27-2015 08:22 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  BYU even with their own TV contract of around $5-6 million/yr is getting diminished slowly as each year the G5 portion increases by quite a bit more than the Indy distribution. (BYU and Army got a $1,525 increase).
Using the MW as an example with the MW not getting the Access Bowl spot, each MW team will get around 3.5 to 4 million a year from the CFP G5 base + conf. perf. + bowl distrib + TV (w/no ESPN bonus). BYU bowls they have played in give them only 600-750k.

So what you're saying is that, excluding gameday revenue (ticket sales, concessions, parking, etc.), BYU is pulling in more revenue as an independent via media contract, merchandise, etc. than what they'd get as a member of the MWC.

Yes, but the gap is closing each year. Before the CFP, BYU has a large gap between the MW schools and themselves. Now with the CFP, the gap is closing to where it won't make that much of a difference between BYU Indy status and the average MW school especially if getting an extra $500K to $1 million for EPSN TV bonus on top of the number I've given.

There's still a big difference between BYU's media contract and the average MWC schools' total conference payout - including CFP money. And, BYU will extend or negotiate a new contract within the next couple of years - which will likely widen the gap again.

But, even more importantly, BYU's athletic department revenues are steadily increasing each year. A return to the MWC would cause a decrease in donations and ticket sales - which account for much more of BYU's $65million+ AD budget than the media revenue.
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That makes sense to me.

BYU did what it had to do, when it made the decision. That decision is still correct today, for the world we live in which says BYU can't go to the PAC but it's too big for the MWC.
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