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RE: Will there be an 8-team playoff in the future (and how would you format it)?
(10-26-2015 11:23 AM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  As I said earlier, my reason for favoring auto-bids is because I have seen how these selection committees and especially these college football pollsters work. They are mostly shameless homers and in the case of the pollsters, they often have no idea what they are even talking about. Most of them are beat writers for various teams and they see if you were games in a given week then the average fan sees. Also, many of them wouldn't know what they were watching even if they saw every game.

Why do you think Art Briles was openly pushing for a Texan to be on the selection committee this year? He is counting on that bias working in his favor. That is by definition dysfunctional and we should do whatever we can to get away from that type of nonsense.

Instead of worrying about making sure that the deck is stacked in our favor, why don't we work to create a system that unstacks the deck in the first place?

I want to take them out of the process as much as humanly possible. Unfortunately, we would still need them to determine the three wildcard berths but at least when we get to that level they can't completely rob a school/conference.

Yes, that would mean there would be times when the 23rd ranked team would get in and the 5th ranked team would be left out. However, anyone who follows the stuff knows that rankings are highly subjective anyway. In many cases the lower ranked team is better than the higher ranked team.

We see it every single bowl season and when we do the excuses invariably begin. It is all due to the rigors of conference play, or being disappointed about playing in such and such a bowl game, or partying too hard, or the coach has left, or what have you. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure that is true from time to time. However, I think it is more often the case that the "upset" happened because the rankings were inaccurate in the first place.

This is one of the strongest arguments for an 8 team playoff with 5 autobids.
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RE: Will there be an 8-team playoff in the future (and how would you format it)?
(10-26-2015 11:23 AM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  As I said earlier, my reason for favoring auto-bids is because I have seen how these selection committees and especially these college football pollsters work. They are mostly shameless homers and in the case of the pollsters, they often have no idea what they are even talking about. Most of them are beat writers for various teams and they see if you were games in a given week then the average fan sees. Also, many of them wouldn't know what they were watching even if they saw every game.

Why do you think Art Briles was openly pushing for a Texan to be on the selection committee this year? He is counting on that bias working in his favor. That is by definition dysfunctional and we should do whatever we can to get away from that type of nonsense.

Instead of worrying about making sure that the deck is stacked in our favor, why don't we work to create a system that unstacks the deck in the first place?

I want to take them out of the process as much as humanly possible. Unfortunately, we would still need them to determine the three wildcard berths but at least when we get to that level they can't completely rob a school/conference.

Yes, that would mean there would be times when the 23rd ranked team would get in and the 5th ranked team would be left out. However, anyone who follows the stuff knows that rankings are highly subjective anyway. In many cases the lower ranked team is better than the higher ranked team.

We see it every single bowl season and when we do the excuses invariably begin. It is all due to the rigors of conference play, or being disappointed about playing in such and such a bowl game, or partying too hard, or the coach has left, or what have you. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure that is true from time to time. However, I think it is more often the case that the "upset" happened because the rankings were inaccurate in the first place.

Agree with 100% of this.
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(10-26-2015 11:33 AM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  
(10-26-2015 10:27 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  I agree that an 8 team playoff will happen and the only variable is time. I think it should look like this

1) ACC Champion
2) Big 10 Champion
3) SEC Champion
4) Big 12 Champion
5) PAC 12 Champion
6) Highest ranked G5 team
7) Highest ranked at large team not include in 1-6
8) 2nd Highest ranked at large team not include in 1-7

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I'd go Conference Champions first, then fill out with at larges to cap at 16. A hard cap at 8 gets a little too restrictive.

It is extraordinarily rare that anything is missed by not including the Sun Belt, MAC or CUSA champion. 16 either brings in schools that get blown out in the first round (if you give 10 autobids) or brings in 3 and 4 loss teams well down in their conference if you limit the number of autobids.

8 is inclusive without adding too many teams. 11 or 12 could work as well (11-5 P5 champs directly to NYD bowls, 6 other schools-perhaps 2 G5 champs and 4 wildcards play-in to get to NYD). 16 is really too many.
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(10-26-2015 10:27 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  I agree that an 8 team playoff will happen and the only variable is time. I think it should look like this

1) ACC Champion
2) Big 10 Champion
3) SEC Champion
4) Big 12 Champion
5) PAC 12 Champion
6) Highest ranked G5 team
7) Highest ranked at large team not include in 1-6
8) 2nd Highest ranked at large team not include in 1-7

07-coffee3

That is the way I see it. This way you automatically have a 16 team playoff with conference championship games. Eventually, the sixth slot will go to the AAC champion with slot number 7 going to the highest rated "G4" team.

6) AAC Champion
7) Highest ranked G4 team
8) Highest ranked at large team not included in 1-7

At this point, the 8 spot would go to the SEC runner up. Then you would have to seed the group to avoid an automatic rematch of CCG.
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RE: Will there be an 8-team playoff in the future (and how would you format it)?
(10-26-2015 11:59 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  (3) I know that conference commissioners and university presidents seem to love whining about the prospect of football becoming a "two semester sport" (despite it being an artificial construct that doesn't matter for basketball or any other sport)... but the only thing worse than a two semester sport is having playoff games being played *during* final exams. If we're going to keep up the facade that these football players are in school to be students, then the impact of playing additional games at the beginning of the semester in January is a whole lot less than playing games right before or in the middle of final exams in December from an academic perspective.

FCS does it. The 22 FBS teams involved in the Las Vegas, Cure, Camellia, New Mexico, New Orleans, Miami Beach, Idaho Potato, Poinsettia, Hawaii, and Bahamas bowls already do it.

But, the university president will continue to beat this drum.

(10-26-2015 11:59 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  (2) Even if all first round games are played one week after the conference championship games, that extra week has a significant impact on bowl travel. It is already hard enough for people to plan bowl travel for the week between Christmas and New Years in the current football schedule. Pushing that back a week has a disproportionate impact compared to any other time of year. Plus, the losers of the playoff games will have a *really* hard time selling tickets (whereas they're easy to sell when the bowls themselves are the playoff games).

Good point. The travel issue would also be a huge factor for the losers' fans. And TV ratings would tank especially if you have two teams coming off of CFP losses.

(10-26-2015 11:59 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  (1) From a TV perspective, pre-Christmas football is not as valuable as post-Christmas football... and even further, December post-Christmas football is not as valuable as January football. There's a reason why all of the TV networks show reruns all December - the ratings are inherently depressed during that month. It's the worst TV ratings month of the year outside of the summer. If you want to maximize TV revenue, then more games in January is FAR superior to more games in December... and the fact of the matter is that the playoff is going to be driven by TV revenue first and foremost.

To capitalize the TV revenue, the Power Suits could definitely push for New Year's and January football games over pre-Christmas football.

But, the early December CCG's get great TV ratings. Army-Navy gets EXCELLENT TV ratings the week after CCG weekend. That's an underdeveloped college football TV sweet spot, IMO. It's far enough away from Christmas and close enough to the regular season to still attract massive TV ratings.
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(10-26-2015 09:39 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  I believe there will be an 8-team playoff at some point - it's just a matter of when that occurs. As I've said before on this topic, less is more.

QUARTERFINALS
Rose Bowl: Big Ten champ vs. Pac-12 champ
Sugar Bowl: SEC champ vs. at-large (or top G5 champ)
Orange Bowl: ACC champ vs. at-large (or top G5 champ)
Fiesta (or Cotton) Bowl: Big 12 champ vs. at-large (or top G5 champ)

Orange and Fiesta are on New Years Eve and Rose and Sugar are on New Years Day (just like now). Auto-bids are provided to the 5 power conference champs, the top G5 conference champ and 2 other at-larges. The auto-bids are a critical factor of getting the power conferences to move to an 8-team playoff - what we're finding is that the powers that be don't like hearing "The Big 12 (or Pac-12 or any other power conference) is going to be shut out of the playoff!" when a top team loses constantly on ESPN and talk radio. That has been bad press (and I'd say largely unfair bad press) for a power league when they don't happen to have one dominant team that can be in the top 4. They want to remove that doubt entirely (and, in the process, significantly increase the values of their respective conference championship games, as well, since they become de facto playoff games).

The quarterfinals are semi-seeded in order to preserve the traditional bowl tie-ins. (There's also the notion that a conference champ should still be rewarded by playing in their "home" bowl, similar to how division champs in the NFL and MLB get home-field advantage even if a wild card team has a better record.) The teams are then re-seeded in straight 1 vs. 4 and 2 vs. 3 matchups for the the semifinals, which would be played 7 to 10 days later. The national championship game would be played one week before the Super Bowl (which avoids all head-to-head competition with the NFL since the NFL always has a bye that weekend).

My personal preference would be that the *semifinals* would be played at the higher seeds' home stadiums (as opposed to the first round that many people suggest) since (a) I firmly believe that the preservation of the bowl system is critical because that is the contractual vehicle through which the power conferences legally preserve and maintain their power, (b) I have an allergic reaction to the thought that middle tier non-playoff power conference teams get to go to places like Pasadena and Miami over the holidays while an elite power conference champ's reward is to spend the middle of December in a place like Tuscaloosa and © the home sites for the semifinals remove the issues of fans traveling to too many different games, provide an extra incentive to get into the top 4 during the regular season (so there's still a "national horse race" aspect with the weekly rankings beyond the auto-bids) and keeps the holiday tradition of the elite bowls.

Granted, the home sites for semifinals are more of my personal wish. My guess is that the powers that be would still want neutral sites for those games in order to maximize revenue.

Regardless, the most critical points are an 8-team playoff with (a) the first round using the traditional bowls with semi-seeded traditional tie-ins and autobids for all P5 champs and the top G5 champ, (b) the semifinals with a re-seeded bracket and © the national championship game played one week before the Super Bowl. Most importantly, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ELSE ABOUT THE COLLEGE FOOTBALL SCHEDULE CHANGES. (Same 12-game regular season, same conference championship game schedule, same bowl schedule, etc.)

First Round
Rose Bowl: PAC-12 vs. Big Ten
Cotton Bowl: Big 12 vs. At-Large or G5
Sugar Bowl: SEC vs. At-Large or G5
Orange Bowl: ACC vs. At-Large or G5

Second Round
Fiesta Bowl: Cotton Bowl Winner vs. Rose Bowl Winner
Peach Bowl: Sugar Bowl Winner vs. Peach Bowl Winner

Championship
Bid it out like they do now.
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(10-26-2015 12:26 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  There will be a six team playoff. Four major conference champions, one "wild card" or "At Large" spot and then one spot for an expanded 20 team AAC conference champion.

I have been saying that for awhile now and this year is simply proving how solid the idea is. Just look at how many G5 teams are in the top 25 that would be part of that conference. You have Houston, Memphis and Temple right now. We had Boise State and BYU in the rankings earlier in the year. It wouldn't be a fake Cinderella. Houston, Memphis and Temple are all proving they deserve to be there.

The eight team wont be chosen because of the much greater chance of having intraconference rematch games played in the national tournament that were already played out within a division within a single conference. That's bad, having Alabama and LSU end up going 1-1 against each other with one of them being declared champion and the other as runner up was no good.

I'm a fan of the 6 team model as well. It gives top teams something to play for outside of simply qualifying for entry.
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(10-26-2015 12:35 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(10-26-2015 11:23 AM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  As I said earlier, my reason for favoring auto-bids is because I have seen how these selection committees and especially these college football pollsters work. They are mostly shameless homers and in the case of the pollsters, they often have no idea what they are even talking about. Most of them are beat writers for various teams and they see if you were games in a given week then the average fan sees. Also, many of them wouldn't know what they were watching even if they saw every game.

Why do you think Art Briles was openly pushing for a Texan to be on the selection committee this year? He is counting on that bias working in his favor. That is by definition dysfunctional and we should do whatever we can to get away from that type of nonsense.

Instead of worrying about making sure that the deck is stacked in our favor, why don't we work to create a system that unstacks the deck in the first place?

I want to take them out of the process as much as humanly possible. Unfortunately, we would still need them to determine the three wildcard berths but at least when we get to that level they can't completely rob a school/conference.

Yes, that would mean there would be times when the 23rd ranked team would get in and the 5th ranked team would be left out. However, anyone who follows the stuff knows that rankings are highly subjective anyway. In many cases the lower ranked team is better than the higher ranked team.

We see it every single bowl season and when we do the excuses invariably begin. It is all due to the rigors of conference play, or being disappointed about playing in such and such a bowl game, or partying too hard, or the coach has left, or what have you. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure that is true from time to time. However, I think it is more often the case that the "upset" happened because the rankings were inaccurate in the first place.

This is one of the strongest arguments for an 8 team playoff with 5 autobids.

Or a four team playoff with four autobids.
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(10-26-2015 12:42 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  
(10-26-2015 10:27 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  I agree that an 8 team playoff will happen and the only variable is time. I think it should look like this

1) ACC Champion
2) Big 10 Champion
3) SEC Champion
4) Big 12 Champion
5) PAC 12 Champion
6) Highest ranked G5 team
7) Highest ranked at large team not include in 1-6
8) 2nd Highest ranked at large team not include in 1-7

07-coffee3

That is the way I see it. This way you automatically have a 16 team playoff with conference championship games. Eventually, the sixth slot will go to the AAC champion with slot number 7 going to the highest rated "G4" team.

6) AAC Champion or MW champion
7) Highest ranked G4 team
8) Highest ranked at large team not included in 1-7

At this point, the 8 spot would go to the SEC runner up. Then you would have to seed the group to avoid an automatic rematch of CCG.

I'll add or MW champion.

I guess people forgot about last year already how the AAC was compared to the MW.
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(10-26-2015 03:02 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  
(10-26-2015 12:42 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  
(10-26-2015 10:27 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  I agree that an 8 team playoff will happen and the only variable is time. I think it should look like this

1) ACC Champion
2) Big 10 Champion
3) SEC Champion
4) Big 12 Champion
5) PAC 12 Champion
6) Highest ranked G5 team
7) Highest ranked at large team not include in 1-6
8) 2nd Highest ranked at large team not include in 1-7

07-coffee3

That is the way I see it. This way you automatically have a 16 team playoff with conference championship games. Eventually, the sixth slot will go to the AAC champion with slot number 7 going to the highest rated "G4" team.

6) AAC Champion or MW champion
7) Highest ranked G4 team
8) Highest ranked at large team not included in 1-7

At this point, the 8 spot would go to the SEC runner up. Then you would have to seed the group to avoid an automatic rematch of CCG.

I'll add or MW champion.

I guess people forgot about last year already how the AAC was compared to the MW.

And in 2012 NIU got ranked as high as they did partly because MAC teams (who NIU beat) were beating AAC (Big East) teams.
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(10-26-2015 02:36 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  
(10-26-2015 12:26 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  There will be a six team playoff. Four major conference champions, one "wild card" or "At Large" spot and then one spot for an expanded 20 team AAC conference champion.

I have been saying that for awhile now and this year is simply proving how solid the idea is. Just look at how many G5 teams are in the top 25 that would be part of that conference. You have Houston, Memphis and Temple right now. We had Boise State and BYU in the rankings earlier in the year. It wouldn't be a fake Cinderella. Houston, Memphis and Temple are all proving they deserve to be there.

The eight team wont be chosen because of the much greater chance of having intraconference rematch games played in the national tournament that were already played out within a division within a single conference. That's bad, having Alabama and LSU end up going 1-1 against each other with one of them being declared champion and the other as runner up was no good.

I'm a fan of the 6 team model as well. It gives top teams something to play for outside of simply qualifying for entry.

Exactly, with an eight team tournament the only controversy is really at the #8 spot in regards to whom is #8 and whom is #9. With six teams you get controversy at the #2 and #3 spot due to the top two teams getting byes and then you have controversy at the #6 and #7 ranked positions.

My whole belief all along is that do we ever truly have teams ranked at #9 that have ever really shown to be a legitimate contender for the national championship?

This isn't basketball, it isn't about "Any Given Night" which is the excitement of March Madness. With football, most folks want it to be about the entire body of work. Do we want three loss teams going for the championship?

I don't think anyone involved at the top want that so it does not worry me at all that folks like us are in the minority when it comes to opinions on the future of the CFP.
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(10-26-2015 06:20 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  
(10-26-2015 02:36 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  
(10-26-2015 12:26 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  There will be a six team playoff. Four major conference champions, one "wild card" or "At Large" spot and then one spot for an expanded 20 team AAC conference champion.

I have been saying that for awhile now and this year is simply proving how solid the idea is. Just look at how many G5 teams are in the top 25 that would be part of that conference. You have Houston, Memphis and Temple right now. We had Boise State and BYU in the rankings earlier in the year. It wouldn't be a fake Cinderella. Houston, Memphis and Temple are all proving they deserve to be there.

The eight team wont be chosen because of the much greater chance of having intraconference rematch games played in the national tournament that were already played out within a division within a single conference. That's bad, having Alabama and LSU end up going 1-1 against each other with one of them being declared champion and the other as runner up was no good.

I'm a fan of the 6 team model as well. It gives top teams something to play for outside of simply qualifying for entry.

Exactly, with an eight team tournament the only controversy is really at the #8 spot in regards to whom is #8 and whom is #9. With six teams you get controversy at the #2 and #3 spot due to the top two teams getting byes and then you have controversy at the #6 and #7 ranked positions.

My whole belief all along is that do we ever truly have teams ranked at #9 that have ever really shown to be a legitimate contender for the national championship?

This isn't basketball, it isn't about "Any Given Night" which is the excitement of March Madness. With football, most folks want it to be about the entire body of work. Do we want three loss teams going for the championship?

I don't think anyone involved at the top want that so it does not worry me at all that folks like us are in the minority when it comes to opinions on the future of the CFP.


The way it is going, 3 loss teams exit the top 25.

You have for a 16 team playoff with these teams in the running.

Memphis 7-0
Temple 7-0
Houston 7-0
Navy 5-1
Clemson 7-0
Florida State 6-1
North Carolina 6-1
Duke 5-1
Pittsburgh 6-1
Michigan State 8-0
Ohio State 8-0
Iowa 7-0
Baylor 7-0
Oklahoma 6-1
TCU 7-0
Oklahoma State 7-0
Marshall 7-1
Toledo 7-0
Boise State 6-2
Utah 6-1
Stanford 6-1
LSU 7-0
Florida 6-1
Alabama 7-1
Appalachian State 7-1
Notre Dame 6-1
BYU 6-2

You could get a 16 team playoff with teams unbeaten or 1 loss, and a couple of the top 2 loss teams if they win the rest of their games.
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(10-25-2015 10:42 PM)shizzle787 Wrote:  Personally, I think there will be an 8-team playoff (to much $$$ involved). As far as format, I would have the quarterfinals at the home of the higher seed, and there would be NO auto-bids. Winning your conference should mean nothing if you go 2-2 in non-conference and 10-3 overall. The best eight teams (P5 or not) should be in?

I doubt it six will be next.
Five conference champs and one P5 at large with the G5 having an outside chance .
A chance that never happens because of the committee .
This way you get to debate which conference deserves the at large bid.
Every year a G5 will team will be touted as having a shot but it won't happen.
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When the p5 has seperated from the g5 there will be an 8 team playoff. Its all about the end game.
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(10-26-2015 12:42 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  
(10-26-2015 10:27 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  I agree that an 8 team playoff will happen and the only variable is time. I think it should look like this

1) ACC Champion
2) Big 10 Champion
3) SEC Champion
4) Big 12 Champion
5) PAC 12 Champion
6) Highest ranked G5 team
7) Highest ranked at large team not include in 1-6
8) 2nd Highest ranked at large team not include in 1-7

07-coffee3

That is the way I see it. This way you automatically have a 16 team playoff with conference championship games. Eventually, the sixth slot will go to the AAC champion with slot number 7 going to the highest rated "G4" team.

6) AAC Champion
7) Highest ranked G4 team
8) Highest ranked at large team not included in 1-7

At this point, the 8 spot would go to the SEC runner up. Then you would have to seed the group to avoid an automatic rematch of CCG.

I think the way to go is to rank the conference champs 1 through 10. Using this year as an example.....(AP Poll)

1) Ohio State (#1)
2) Baylor (#2)
3) Clemson (#3)
4) LSU (#4)
5) Stanford (#8)
6) Memphis (#16)
7) Toledo (#20)
8) Appalachian State (#33)
9) Marshall (NR)
10) Utah State (NR)

Take the Top 7 conference champs + the top non-champion. Then seed them for a playoff.

1) Ohio State (#1)
8) Toledo (#20)

4) LSU (#4)
5) TCU (#5)

3) Clemson (#3)
6) Stanford (#8)

2) Baylor (#2)
7) Memphis (#16)

-In this format a #1 or #2 seed means something because it ensures a relatively easy first round game for the #1 and #2 seeds.

-It opens up a little more access to the G5 conferences with 2 automatic bids to avoid future lawsuits. Also with the Top 7 champions included it provides protection for a P5 conference that has a crappy year like the ACC is known to do.

-Conferences work out a plan to be paid 1 through 10 on performance also preventing further lawsuits.

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RE: Will there be an 8-team playoff in the future (and how would you format it)?
(10-26-2015 09:12 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  
(10-26-2015 12:42 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  
(10-26-2015 10:27 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  I agree that an 8 team playoff will happen and the only variable is time. I think it should look like this

1) ACC Champion
2) Big 10 Champion
3) SEC Champion
4) Big 12 Champion
5) PAC 12 Champion
6) Highest ranked G5 team
7) Highest ranked at large team not include in 1-6
8) 2nd Highest ranked at large team not include in 1-7

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That is the way I see it. This way you automatically have a 16 team playoff with conference championship games. Eventually, the sixth slot will go to the AAC champion with slot number 7 going to the highest rated "G4" team.

6) AAC Champion
7) Highest ranked G4 team
8) Highest ranked at large team not included in 1-7

At this point, the 8 spot would go to the SEC runner up. Then you would have to seed the group to avoid an automatic rematch of CCG.

I think the way to go is to rank the conference champs 1 through 10. Using this year as an example.....(AP Poll)

1) Ohio State (#1)
2) Baylor (#2)
3) Clemson (#3)
4) LSU (#4)
5) Stanford (#8)
6) Memphis (#16)
7) Toledo (#20)
8) Appalachian State (#33)
9) Marshall (NR)
10) Utah State (NR)

Take the Top 7 conference champs + the top non-champion. Then seed them for a playoff.

1) Ohio State (#1)
8) Toledo (#20)

4) LSU (#4)
5) TCU (#5)

3) Clemson (#3)
6) Stanford (#8)

2) Baylor (#2)
7) Memphis (#16)

-In this format a #1 or #2 seed means something because it ensures a relatively easy first round game for the #1 and #2 seeds.

-It opens up a little more access to the G5 conferences with 2 automatic bids to avoid future lawsuits. Also with the Top 7 champions included it provides protection for a P5 conference that has a crappy year like the ACC is known to do.

-Conferences work out a plan to be paid 1 through 10 on performance also preventing further lawsuits.

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10-26-2015 09:24 PM
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RE: Will there be an 8-team playoff in the future (and how would you format it)?
(10-26-2015 09:12 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  
(10-26-2015 12:42 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  
(10-26-2015 10:27 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  I agree that an 8 team playoff will happen and the only variable is time. I think it should look like this

1) ACC Champion
2) Big 10 Champion
3) SEC Champion
4) Big 12 Champion
5) PAC 12 Champion
6) Highest ranked G5 team
7) Highest ranked at large team not include in 1-6
8) 2nd Highest ranked at large team not include in 1-7

07-coffee3

That is the way I see it. This way you automatically have a 16 team playoff with conference championship games. Eventually, the sixth slot will go to the AAC champion with slot number 7 going to the highest rated "G4" team.

6) AAC Champion
7) Highest ranked G4 team
8) Highest ranked at large team not included in 1-7

At this point, the 8 spot would go to the SEC runner up. Then you would have to seed the group to avoid an automatic rematch of CCG.

I think the way to go is to rank the conference champs 1 through 10. Using this year as an example.....(AP Poll)

1) Ohio State (#1)
2) Baylor (#2)
3) Clemson (#3)
4) LSU (#4)
5) Stanford (#8)
6) Memphis (#16)
7) Toledo (#20)
8) Appalachian State (#33)
9) Marshall (NR)
10) Utah State (NR)

Take the Top 7 conference champs + the top non-champion. Then seed them for a playoff.

1) Ohio State (#1)
8) Toledo (#20)

4) LSU (#4)
5) TCU (#5)

3) Clemson (#3)
6) Stanford (#8)

2) Baylor (#2)
7) Memphis (#16)

-In this format a #1 or #2 seed means something because it ensures a relatively easy first round game for the #1 and #2 seeds.

-It opens up a little more access to the G5 conferences with 2 automatic bids to avoid future lawsuits. Also with the Top 7 champions included it provides protection for a P5 conference that has a crappy year like the ACC is known to do.

-Conferences work out a plan to be paid 1 through 10 on performance also preventing further lawsuits.

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There is a 3 way tie at the top of the MWC right now between Boise State, Air Force and Utah State and right now, Boise State is getting the votes that is ranked than the other 2. It will be a mess right now.
10-27-2015 02:11 AM
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RE: Will there be an 8-team playoff in the future (and how would you format it)?
(10-26-2015 06:20 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  
(10-26-2015 02:36 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  
(10-26-2015 12:26 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  There will be a six team playoff. Four major conference champions, one "wild card" or "At Large" spot and then one spot for an expanded 20 team AAC conference champion.

I have been saying that for awhile now and this year is simply proving how solid the idea is. Just look at how many G5 teams are in the top 25 that would be part of that conference. You have Houston, Memphis and Temple right now. We had Boise State and BYU in the rankings earlier in the year. It wouldn't be a fake Cinderella. Houston, Memphis and Temple are all proving they deserve to be there.

The eight team wont be chosen because of the much greater chance of having intraconference rematch games played in the national tournament that were already played out within a division within a single conference. That's bad, having Alabama and LSU end up going 1-1 against each other with one of them being declared champion and the other as runner up was no good.

I'm a fan of the 6 team model as well. It gives top teams something to play for outside of simply qualifying for entry.

Exactly, with an eight team tournament the only controversy is really at the #8 spot in regards to whom is #8 and whom is #9. With six teams you get controversy at the #2 and #3 spot due to the top two teams getting byes and then you have controversy at the #6 and #7 ranked positions.

My whole belief all along is that do we ever truly have teams ranked at #9 that have ever really shown to be a legitimate contender for the national championship?

This isn't basketball, it isn't about "Any Given Night" which is the excitement of March Madness. With football, most folks want it to be about the entire body of work. Do we want three loss teams going for the championship?

I don't think anyone involved at the top want that so it does not worry me at all that folks like us are in the minority when it comes to opinions on the future of the CFP.

Concur. I want restricted access for the P5 and I won't lose any sleep if a major conference is left out. I think a guaranteed G5 slot forces said conferences to resolve who is the best candidate via some inter-conference bowl game. Finally, the lone wild card spot maintains access for Independents as well as provides a place for a deserving G5 or P5 opponent. The last thing I want is for the CFP to morph into March Madness or the Div. II tourney.
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RE: Will there be an 8-team playoff in the future (and how would you format it)?
(10-26-2015 11:45 AM)YNot Wrote:  This is why you find a system that rewards the top-4 seeds with Round 1 home games. You provide a massive incentive to have the SOS component strong enough to merit the top-4. The autobids get the P5 to sign off on CFP expansion; but the Round 1 home game prizes motivate the P5 to play each other OOC more frequently so to boost SOS.

However, if Round 1 is held at neutral sites, then we are definitely devaluing regular season and demotivating strong OOC slates.

And, Round 1 CFP home games before Christmas aren't going to throw away the entire bowl system. It will add four games that are massive rewards to the top-4 and their home fan bases - and the stadiums are still packed before students and fans leave town for holiday plans. Fans can then actually travel to the semi-finals and NY6 bowls because they don't have to choose between quarterfinal and semi-final travels.

The CFP scores a major windfall of revenue from the pre-Christmas football that actually matters.

Not even close to being a worthy enough incentive. Besides, the teams in the strongest conferences will always get that bias in the polls, so the SEC/B1G would be getting those home games no matter what, records being equal.
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RE: Will there be an 8-team playoff in the future (and how would you format it)?
(10-26-2015 08:40 PM)cleburneslim Wrote:  When the p5 has seperated from the g5 there will be an 8 team playoff. Its all about the end game.

And when pigs can fly ...


P5 don't want to separate from the G5.
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