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Will there be a permanent split between the P5 and G5?
Personally, I think there will be a second split in D-1 football, but the line will be between the MW and C-USA.
1-A: Power 5, American, MW
1-AA: C-USA, MAC, Sun Belt, Ivy, Big Sky, CAA, Missouri Valley, Southland, Big South
1-AAA: MEAC, Northeast, OVC, Patriot, Pioneer, SWAC, SoCon

1-A will have an 8-team playoff while 1-AA and 1-AAA will have a 16-team playoff.
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No way.
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RE: Will there be a permanent split between the P5 and G5?
Not gonna happen.
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RE: Will there be a permanent split between the P5 and G5?
nope
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RE: Will there be a permanent split between the P5 and G5?
Nah

If anything, the AAC is given the Power patch along with a comfortable $$$ bump.
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RE: Will there be a permanent split between the P5 and G5?
It's not going to happen but if your split were to come to pass, the Ivy League and Big South would not be in the second division.

The P5 needs the G5 too much to break away.
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RE: Will there be a permanent split between the P5 and G5?
No. Too messy and for too little result. The resource difference here is enormous, but the top program benefit from having weaker teams they play and still count them as top division games and the weaker programs benefit from being technically the same level even if they realistically have little chance at competing at the top level the vast majority of the time.

While it makes a lot of sense in many ways to rework things so you have 2 separate divisions, where the competition is more level in both, most schools benefit more this way and thus you get our current set-up.
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RE: Will there be a permanent split between the P5 and G5?
(10-25-2015 10:49 PM)ohio1317 Wrote:  No. Too messy and for too little result. The resource difference here is enormous, but the top program benefit from having weaker teams they play and still count them as top division games and the weaker programs benefit from being technically the same level even if they realistically have little chance at competing at the top level the vast majority of the time.

While it makes a lot of sense in many ways to rework things so you have 2 separate divisions, where the competition is more level in both, most schools benefit more this way and thus you get our current set-up.

This.

The money shared with the G5 is peanuts. The G5 vote with the P5 on pretty much everything.

The FCS and non-football are a pain in the rear on voting for the FBS schools but autonomy fixed most of that.
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RE: Will there be a permanent split between the P5 and G5?
(10-25-2015 11:12 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  The money shared with the G5 is peanuts. The G5 vote with the P5 on pretty much everything.
Where the Go5 is split, either the P5 is united, so the P5 plus the part of the Go5 on the same side gives the P5 what they want, or else the P5 is split, so that is not the basis for a clean breakaway.

And the individual schools in the P5 can usually find individual schools in the Go5 that they can reward in return for going along, so the Go5 is never going to be united on any issue other than "give us a bit more access than we had under the last deal", and the starting point of BCS version 1.0 access for the non-AQ schools was so abysmal, that there's a lot of leeway in giving the Go5 "a little more access" without impinging on any core requirement of the core P5 schools.

Quote: The FCS and non-football are a pain in the rear on voting for the FBS schools but autonomy fixed most of that.
And they help maintain the veneer of competitive access for the NCAA tourney, creating Cinderella's for casual followers to cheer for until the clock strikes 12.

So removing them from interfering with most core needs of core P5 schools substantially alleviates pressures to break away from the FCS and non-FB subdivisions.
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RE: Will there be a permanent split between the P5 and G5?
They're not going to make a P5, but add in the historically strongest 2 G5 conferences without making Them P5.

They'd more likely pick up the best of the MW & AAC (+BYU) to expand their conferences/line, and go that route IF they were the solidly separate from G5.

You could say that some of the G5 would have a few top FCS/D1AA conferences join in to G5, and then make a separate "D1/AAA" where FCS is now for the rest.

If the P5 decides to not play G5s in OOC play that a surprising amount of coaches liked -- then we may have that kind of split. However, it was an unofficial coach's poll, and I don't think the NCAA would necessarily want to go that route.
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RE: Will there be a permanent split between the P5 and G5?
Just wondering why you put the split between CUSA and MW? CUSA was the second best conference last year in the G5. Are they down this year yes, but the programs they have are building. There is not that big of gap between this years best in AAC and last years CUSA best.

To me the GAP is between MAC/CUSA and Sunbelt.. but even that could be debated.

But to answer your question no.
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RE: Will there be a permanent split between the P5 and G5?
There already is. ESPN and Fox created a $20 million a year permanent split.
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RE: Will there be a permanent split between the P5 and G5?
(10-26-2015 08:16 AM)Greenroom Wrote:  Just wondering why you put the split between CUSA and MW? CUSA was the second best conference last year in the G5. Are they down this year yes, but the programs they have are building. There is not that big of gap between this years best in AAC and last years CUSA best.

To me the GAP is between MAC/CUSA and Sunbelt.. but even that could be debated.

But to answer your question no.

If you look at budgets, there is a gap between CUSA and MAC/Sun Belt. The MAC and Sun Belt/Big West have always been a little below the rest of I-A. But I don't see them kicking anyone out. They are just going to make it more expensive and more difficult for new schools to get in.
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RE: Will there be a permanent split between the P5 and G5?
Not really. P5 needs G5 for OOC games, but there is a huge gap in money/winning/chance of getting into the playoffs, to where it's basically a split anyway.

When it comes down to conference tiers, it's...

SEC
Big 10
PAC-12
Big 12
ACC

AAC

MWC

C-USA
MAC

Sun Belt
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RE: Will there be a permanent split between the P5 and G5?
(10-26-2015 08:35 AM)bullet Wrote:  There already is. ESPN and Fox created a $20 million a year permanent split.

Good observation. The theme of realignment has always been "follow the money".
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Yes its already occurred. Some just dont see the forest for the trees.
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(10-25-2015 10:41 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  Nah

If anything, the AAC is given the Power patch along with a comfortable $$$ bump.

The aac is never going to be upgraded to a power league. The AAC still has lots to prove
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(10-26-2015 08:16 AM)Greenroom Wrote:  Just wondering why you put the split between CUSA and MW? CUSA was the second best conference last year in the G5. Are they down this year yes, but the programs they have are building. There is not that big of gap between this years best in AAC and last years CUSA best.

To me the GAP is between MAC/CUSA and Sunbelt.. but even that could be debated.

But to answer your question no.

That would be very debatable I mean you have North Texas who dropped eight straight to AState on the "good" side of the line and AState on the "bad" side and drawing more fans than UNT, gets sort of hard to justify that call.
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RE: Will there be a permanent split between the P5 and G5?
(10-26-2015 10:56 PM)rednblackattack Wrote:  
(10-25-2015 10:41 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  Nah

If anything, the AAC is given the Power patch along with a comfortable $$$ bump.

The aac is never going to be upgraded to a power league. The AAC still has lots to prove

Sure they will. When TV says they get paid similar money or says we won't pay as much for the CFP unless they are in the main pool. When the BCS formed, the Rose, Sugar, Orange, Fiesta didn't want Big East to have an auto berth, television said you want the money, you include them.
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RE: Will there be a permanent split between the P5 and G5?
Plus it depends on the schools in each conferences.

Boise State gets paid more money to play P5 school because they bring people in to watch the games for a better product.

The service academies are the same. The US military also spends money for tv ads for the games.

BYU is another that gets a little more money.

Memphis gets more for basketball.

I think Eastern Washington got an extra bonus from Oregon this year, and well deserved bonus.

North Dakota State and Montana got an extra boast for their game on ESPN. ESPN should show more FCS games more often. More entertaining than some FBS games. Baylor is just boring with only one team running up the score.
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