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I think he's gone. Already lived there, knows the area well. Slam dunk. They can pay too.

(10-25-2015 07:00 PM)rtletterman Wrote:  I think he's gone. Already lived there, knows the area well. Slam dunk. They can pay too.

How could you survive without him to trash 56 times a day. We ALL WAIT FOR YOUR INSIGHT. God you are a legend in your own mind.

He's not going anywhere yet. The time will come.

I took a look around AAC boards and found that UCF and other AAC fans are far more interested in Babers and Campbell going to UCF. Fleck was mentioned once in a longer list of possible candidates and noted as a fantastic recruiter.
The thing to watch out for is if Babers and Campbell go to P5 schools. This would make Fleck rise on the UCF interest list.

I think he is more likely to go to Miami (Da U) than UCF at this point. He will get much better offers than UCF this off season.

(10-26-2015 07:50 AM)WesternSkillet Wrote:  I took a look around AAC boards and found that UCF and other AAC fans are far more interested in Babers and Campbell going to UCF. Fleck was mentioned once in a longer list of possible candidates and noted as a fantastic recruiter.
The thing to watch out for is if Babers and Campbell go to P5 schools. This would make Fleck rise on the UCF interest list.

What's on a message board is just pure speculation ( just like my opinion, and this thread).

With that said I think Babers will be on a lot of lists like this too. Wouldn't shock me if they went after him as well. But again UCF will need someone who can prove they can "turn around a program".


In regards to the Fleck to Miami, I don't see that as plausible in any way. A statement like that shows a lack of understanding of the Miami alumni. Miami never accepted Golden who had quite a bit more national recognition, and success at Temple a program way more in the dumps than we ever were ( or at least that was the reputation). Plus Temple was a MAC school. Miami isn't going to easily sell another MAC coach. They will want an NFL cast off, or someone in the "old Miami" family, someone who served as an assistant there in the past and went on to better things.

(or even bring back Schiano)

Quote:I think he is more likely to go to Miami (Da U) than UCF at this point. He will get much better offers than UCF this off season.

I don't think so. We're going to be 7-5 (or possibly 6-6) at the end of the regular season. After going 8-5, that isn't a "wow", even though the team would be a little better despite a step less in regular-season record (harder sched).

A team willing to take a chance may throw him an offer, but he may not be willing to bite right now anyway, as it'd probably be a risk for him, too. Now, with UCF, that's not much of a risk. It isn't like taking over Kansas or something. But I don't see their desire to gamble when hiring at this point....

Every time a job opens I just wait to here about how THAT is PJs next landing spot. And then it brings me in so many different directions about how realistic any of it is.

1. Will another school come looking for a sub .500 MAC coach? Or does the 1-11 record in year 1 really not matter if he continues to win now?
2. What does the idiot that decided to cover a $400k raise for his buddy think of all this? Lets say PJ doesn't get the look that everyone alleges he will. Does that make him think, "see, I kept him here by paying so much" rather than "he's not as hot a commodity as everyone thinks". Or IF PJ does get a bigger offer does he finally realize "hmmm, I guess the big boys really can outpay if they want to". And then does he step up to the plate to pay the next head coach as well? Or, just how much MORE is it going to take to keep Peej in Kazoo? Then again, he loves it here and has no intentions of ever leaving......wink wink.

I guess we'll all find out soon enough. My gut tells me that the hype for PJ isn't as big across the country as we are made to believe here in Kazoo. And him not leaving will be spun into his undying love for WMU and Kalamazoo. If another opportunity does come up, he will leave in a second.

And if/when he does leave, the fun will really begin in hiring a head coach and figuring out what to pay after that bar has been set ridiculously high.

(10-26-2015 09:02 AM)WheresWaldo42 Wrote:  Every time a job opens I just wait to here about how THAT is PJs next landing spot. And then it brings me in so many different directions about how realistic any of it is.

1. Will another school come looking for a sub .500 MAC coach? Or does the 1-11 record in year 1 really not matter if he continues to win now?
2. What does the idiot that decided to cover a $400k raise for his buddy think of all this? Lets say PJ doesn't get the look that everyone alleges he will. Does that make him think, "see, I kept him here by paying so much" rather than "he's not as hot a commodity as everyone thinks". Or IF PJ does get a bigger offer does he finally realize "hmmm, I guess the big boys really can outpay if they want to". And then does he step up to the plate to pay the next head coach as well? Or, just how much MORE is it going to take to keep Peej in Kazoo? Then again, he loves it here and has no intentions of ever leaving......wink wink.

I guess we'll all find out soon enough. My gut tells me that the hype for PJ isn't as big across the country as we are made to believe here in Kazoo. And him not leaving will be spun into his undying love for WMU and Kalamazoo. If another opportunity does come up, he will leave in a second.

And if/when he does leave, the fun will really begin in hiring a head coach and figuring out what to pay after that bar has been set ridiculously high.

I don't believe PJ is a "big name" guy to most search committees. I do believe he's the type of coach at could land at UCF in this cycle.

Do I think PJ is committed to WMU, yes I do, but only as far as a college football coach can be. Has he given his all to our school yes, does that mean he won't be able to do that somewhere else, no.

Am I afraid of the next coaching search at WMU, and hopeful he stays in part to avoid that process.....absolutely!

All I hope is when the time comes for him to leave, KB and Dunn continue to build upon what has been started.

(10-26-2015 09:46 AM)Wheres_Waldo? Wrote:  All I hope is when the time comes for him to leave, KB and Dunn continue to build upon what has been started.

I concur.

However, Fleck has got to win something before he is going anywhere. Finishing 2nd or 3rd in the MAC West isn't going to impress many ADs, and it should not.

If and when he wins the MAC Championship, he will be gone before the bowl game, similar to when Kelly and Jones departed CMU & Cincy.

If any ADs are taken with Fleck's 'style', I can see an job offer coming even without a MAC championship. But he'll probably need to continue hitting around 8-ish wins per season.

I'll be curious to see if there are stated restraints put in his contract. KB/Dunn appear to have essentially given him carte blanche to do what he wants. But I don't think he gets that luxury at his next gig. The locker room mantras and video clips may stay, but you won't see much of his fingerprints all over the uniforms and stadium. My guess, anyhow.

given what has been provided and the proven ability to get high quality kids, this will be a much different job than it may have ever been.

(10-26-2015 09:02 AM)WheresWaldo42 Wrote:  Every time a job opens I just wait to here about how THAT is PJs next landing spot. And then it brings me in so many different directions about how realistic any of it is.

1. Will another school come looking for a sub .500 MAC coach? Or does the 1-11 record in year 1 really not matter if he continues to win now?
2. What does the idiot that decided to cover a $400k raise for his buddy think of all this? Lets say PJ doesn't get the look that everyone alleges he will. Does that make him think, "see, I kept him here by paying so much" rather than "he's not as hot a commodity as everyone thinks". Or IF PJ does get a bigger offer does he finally realize "hmmm, I guess the big boys really can outpay if they want to". And then does he step up to the plate to pay the next head coach as well? Or, just how much MORE is it going to take to keep Peej in Kazoo? Then again, he loves it here and has no intentions of ever leaving......wink wink.

I guess we'll all find out soon enough. My gut tells me that the hype for PJ isn't as big across the country as we are made to believe here in Kazoo. And him not leaving will be spun into his undying love for WMU and Kalamazoo. If another opportunity does come up, he will leave in a second.

And if/when he does leave, the fun will really begin in hiring a head coach and figuring out what to pay after that bar has been set ridiculously high.

Great points. Personally they should view the 1-11 as an outlier, OJT style. Then view the nasty ugly GASO loss as an freak deal, the near loss to CMU at home as a rivalry game that doesn't matter if it were close, and the two losses to B1G teams as scrimmages.

THEN you have a coach who when evaluated would be a semi attractive candidate. Central Florida has been known to take chances on guys, and their malleability and his style would be a good fit.

That would then put his "Monix type" buddy in a quandry. Along with the financial precedent you outlined so well, he's got to be wondering what hit him these last two years.

(10-26-2015 11:24 AM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  If any ADs are taken with Fleck's 'style', I can see an job offer coming even without a MAC championship. But he'll probably need to continue hitting around 8-ish wins per season.

I'll be curious to see if there are stated restraints put in his contract. KB/Dunn appear to have essentially given him carte blanche to do what he wants. But I don't think he gets that luxury at his next gig. The locker room mantras and video clips may stay, but you won't see much of his fingerprints all over the uniforms and stadium. My guess, anyhow.

As part of his contract do other Universities have to seek permission from WMU to interview him for a vacancy?

(10-26-2015 11:45 AM)goldsworth Wrote:  

(10-26-2015 11:24 AM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  If any ADs are taken with Fleck's 'style', I can see an job offer coming even without a MAC championship. But he'll probably need to continue hitting around 8-ish wins per season.

I'll be curious to see if there are stated restraints put in his contract. KB/Dunn appear to have essentially given him carte blanche to do what he wants. But I don't think he gets that luxury at his next gig. The locker room mantras and video clips may stay, but you won't see much of his fingerprints all over the uniforms and stadium. My guess, anyhow.

As part of his contract do other Universities have to seek permission from WMU to interview him for a vacancy?

There are so many ways around that. Back channeling is almost always the starting point.

The contract extension, and the $800,000 was to prevent Fleck from being enticed away by just this type of situation. WMU knows that, no matter what we pay a coach, should a premium BCS job be offered Fleck, like all other MAC coaches will run. But for the floundering BSC programs, or other mid-major jobs, If Fleck is paid well enough here, and clearly has the support and facilities, WMU will remain more attractive, and he will likely stay.

He is being paid well enough to keep him from sniffing around for another gig. WMU has treated him well, and he is smart enough to know that he has as good a foundation here, both in terms of support from the school, and in terms of young talent on the field, that his value should continue to rise due to the success of the team. I guarantee he believes in himself and in what he can accomplish here. Thus, it would take a pretty decent opportunity to convince him to leave.

With respect to his overall record though, I think that will be less relevant if he has successive good seasons, as most AD's will assume he was stuck with nothing whether or not that is true, as long as he can string nice seasons after his first poor season. He will get the benefit of the doubt. If He has a decent year this season and a great year next season, Flecks prospects will be bright indeed. He will have very good BCS offers.

Actually the coach UCF should hire is Cubit. His passing offense would excite those Florida retirees.

(10-26-2015 02:03 PM)okgc Wrote:  Actually the coach UCF should hire is Cubit. His passing offense would excite those Florida retirees.

That would be AWESOME! Cubit is already familiar with the territory... He would do great down there... Coaches there for the next 5 years... Put's the final touches on his retirement... and he'll be already set up in Florida to join the grey hairs on the golf courses during retirement... Set's up PERFECT!

(10-26-2015 02:07 PM)flushtheherd Wrote:  

(10-26-2015 02:03 PM)okgc Wrote:  Actually the coach UCF should hire is Cubit. His passing offense would excite those Florida retirees.

That would be AWESOME! Cubit is already familiar with the territory... He would do great down there... Coaches there for the next 5 years... Put's the final touches on his retirement... and he'll be already set up in Florida to join the grey hairs on the golf courses during retirement... Set's up PERFECT!

Good idea, and the Illini could hire Fleck! Wins all the way around!