(11-01-2015 07:29 AM)nj alum Wrote:  It looked to me like JMU let the Tribe score on that last TD play to save time on the clock.

JMU also let the Tribe run for over 230 yards in the game. Not sure there is much difference between the effort on our last rush and their D play over the whole game. But they are improving, we gained 200 yards less than Richmond did, so they have that. Don't expect them to ever admit an opponent did something well.

(11-01-2015 08:08 AM)TribePride91 Wrote:  Don't expect them to ever admit an opponent did something well.

It's more than that for some of them. It's in line with total disrespect for the team that just kicked your ass. jmufbs and bulldogg are my favorites when it comes to throwing conniption fits and bashing anyone not associated with JM (we beat) U.

It makes beating them that much more enjoyable. We kicked your ass and your crybaby hatred...I hope they get zits from all the Halloween candy they ate trying to comfort their loss and bedsores from laying in bed all day.

JMU is 0-2 vs top 25 teams and won't play one for the remainder of their regular season.

We're 3-0 with one looming.

That helps our playoff chances.

(10-31-2015 09:34 PM)Tribeheart Wrote:  Oh how sweet....great seeing Luke back on the field....

Kind of total team win tonight that builds a lot of confidence if playing from behind in any remaining games...Hope Reeves injury is short term.

Deandre with 11 tackles and 7 solo, incredible ballplayer....can you say defensive player of the year, at this rate.

One game at a time.

Buy your Richmond tics now, if you haven't, before they are all gone...Need a strong Tribe presence there for the 125th in the Series....

Sorry got that wrong on DeAndre....16 tackles and 11 solos, along with his interception and the blocked kick runback....Just WOW!!

Time of possession....38:46 to 21:14....third down conversions - 11 of 16.

(10-31-2015 09:10 PM)Tribal Wrote:  

(10-31-2015 08:00 PM)Greengoldman Wrote:  Paul & Tribal were over on the jmu board earlier in the week making predictions - and Tribal(I think it was) had a great line - something like:
"We take out the trash 38-27".

What a great line.

We definitely took out the trash tonight!

Yea, when you call us Waste Management, expect me to turn that on you.

I watched the first part of the game then took my kids trick-or-treating. Honestly, my boys could have been run over crossing the street and I'd never had known...all I could pay attention to was listening to the game. Thank gawd I DVR'ed it.

JMU came to play tonight and they gave us all we wanted. Just a major kudos to our players and staff for hanging in there. The refs, frankly, screwed us and JMU but the better team won. This was a gutcheck game and we took care of business...kinda reminded me of the 2004 regular season game against JMU...just hope they don't come back to roll us in the playoffs as they did that season.

W&M was +11 in first downs and just about every offensive statistical category. Some woeful "tackling" and the JMU passes to the flat nearly killed us. But, our offense stepped up despite only 19 yards for our longest pass.

BTW, DHC with frickin 16 total tackles, 1.5 TFL, 1 sack, 1 INT, and the PAT return. If he doesn't start on Sundays...

I've waited a couple hours to do this so I'm heading over to read the JMU boards, where I'll bet you anything they're blaming the refs and how they want someone fired. Truth-be-told, they're an excellent team and will be a force in the playoffs but they finally started playing solid teams last week. Our redemption warpath continues to roll.

Go Tribe!

Congrats to the Tribe. 32 first downs will win a lot of games. Dukes needed the fumble recovery in the third quarter when snap was bouncing around in the Tribe backfield or the potential TD pass in the 4th that we could not corral. I startled a group of trick or treaters while yelling for recovery for the fumble recovery. Good play by your lineman I think to fall on it. I agree about the on sides kick. With our "D" what does 10-15 yards matter when the option is a potential change of possession. Good luck the rest of the year, I am hopeful Dukes get to 9-2 and join you and Richmond in the playoffs.

Against JMU:

Standard Downs: 13-18, 72.2% completion, 126 yards, 7 YPA, 9 first downs
Passing Downs: 10-18, 55.6% completion, 108 yards, 6 YPA, 1 INT, 8 first downs

Couple things:

1) The box score credits Cluley with 235 yards passing but counting the yards in the play-by-play gives him 234 yards. I checked it like 5 times. If anyone knows the official scorer please let me know so I can ask him questions.

2) 17 of Cluley's 23 completions moved the sticks. There were very few empty calorie completions which is very impressive.

3) Cluley by quarter:
1st quarter: 4-9 with an INT
2nd quarter: 9-12
3rd quarter: 4-8
4th quarter: 6-7

This explains why I thought his numbers would be better- he was slow to start halves but finished the 2nd half well and was a monster to end the game.

4) There were also 3 first downs by defensive penalty that don't show up in the stats, as well as a first down pass wiped out by what looked to be a marginal block below the waist call.

5) Every now and again Cluley has a game where his underneath accuracy clicks in and he looks like this. It's probably due to JMU not getting a lot of pressure on him. Whatever the reason was, he was racking up 8-16 yard completions.

For the season:
Standard Downs: 77/124, 62% completion, 839 yards, 6.77 YPA, 6 TDs, 35 1st Downs, 6 sacks
Passing Downs: 62/114, 54% completion, 899 yards, 7.89 YPA, 4 TDs, 2 INTs, 37 1st downs, 5 sacks

(11-01-2015 07:34 AM)Tribal Wrote:  No one EVER blames the refs for winning. No one EVER says, "Thank God the refs won that game for us today because we had no hope without them. We'll take the gift."

The theme for a few JMU fans is the knee down/not down call is the only reason W&M won. That's disrespecting a team that beat you. JMU had a significant lead on a few occasions and we overcame it. We scored when they didn't and we won. The better team won, period.

JMU is by far the worst in the conference in penalties. To blame it on the refs when your team is consistently getting penalized is failing to face the facts.

(11-01-2015 09:47 AM)Greengoldman Wrote:  

(11-01-2015 07:34 AM)Tribal Wrote:  No one EVER blames the refs for winning. No one EVER says, "Thank God the refs won that game for us today because we had no hope without them. We'll take the gift."

The theme for a few JMU fans is the knee down/not down call is the only reason W&M won. That's disrespecting a team that beat you. JMU had a significant lead on a few occasions and we overcame it. We scored when they didn't and we won. The better team won, period.

JMU is by far the worst in the conference in penalties. To blame it on the refs when your team is consistently getting penalized is failing to face the facts.

They probably should be thankful the refs missed two late hits and two roughing calls that should have gone against JMU.

An amazing 4th quarter, especially without Reeves. Our OL allowed no sack and JMU applied very little pressure. I think JMU was a top CAA defense in terms of sacks but they just couldn't do much against our boys up front.

Late hits were missed early in the contest. Anyone else think we stopped the RB on 4th and goal?

(11-01-2015 10:04 AM)TribeNomad Wrote:  Late hits were missed early in the contest. Anyone else think we stopped the RB on 4th and goal?

Sadly I had to admit that it was one of the few good calls by the refs and the play was right in front of me. The runner was never brought brought down and the pile was never stopped . The Tribe received the same calls and MAS & were able gain many extra yards after initial hits .

One image that sands out from yesterday was the Duke Dog one knee in reverence when Christian Reeves was hurt on the JMU sideline.

On to Elon ...remember they gave us fits last year and we could just not put them away. Win and move on.

We could also point to the obvious intentional grounding in JMU'S endzone. +2 and we get the ball. Point is, only losers use refs as an excuse. Winners point to converting 3rd downs, smart plays, causing JMU's QB to fall to pieces in the 2nd half (outcoached), blocking kicks, and leading in nearly every offensive category.

I just got back from the game. Wow, I haven't enjoyed a game this much in a long time. Thanks for WMMII for putting me up last night.

The officiating was inconsistent to say the least. From where I sat JMU benefitted more than they were hurt by it. Had it been consistent and spot on the W&M margin of victory would have been more.

It sure was nice not to have them steal another game from us at the end ala 2004, 2010 & 2014, and to be the ones that won in the end.

One last thing, try as I might not to do so, I have to agree with Tribal about JMU.

(11-01-2015 10:04 AM)TribeNomad Wrote:  Late hits were missed early in the contest. Anyone else think we stopped the RB on 4th and goal?

Hard to say for certain, but on TV replays it certainly appeared that RB was stopped short of goal line. Admittedly hard to see when his knees were down. Though JL should've used his coaches challenge there.

From the JMU board's pregame thread:


Post: #14William and Mary game preview thread
Whatever else goes on, we must stop the run. I would rather be beat by play action passes than watch another 5 TD 300 yd rushing effort.

How about a 6 TD rushing effort?

(11-01-2015 09:50 AM)Tribal Wrote:  An amazing 4th quarter, especially without Reeves. Our OL allowed no sack and JMU applied very little pressure. I think JMU was a top CAA defense in terms of sacks but they just couldn't do much against our boys up front.

Might as well admit now that I was wrong on Reeves. Last year, I thought he was terrible and the only times I noticed him was when he dropped the ball. However, he has truly played well this season. He has been both a good replacement as a possession receiver for Ballard and a deep threat thanks to his height and leaping ability. I hope he is able to recover and get back for us. Did he hurt his hamstring on the big play near the endzone?

Finally, on that play, I thought the refs actually ruled that Reeves's knee was down prior to him losing the ball, making the attempted recovery moot. Not sure though given where they spotted the ball. With so much of the game left, it is short sighted to think that was the game any more than the 4 point swing on the blocked extra point/penalty, give JMU another chance call in the first half.

So many wide swings in the game yesterday, though. On JMU's punt from its endzone, DHC blocks that one if the ref doesn't blow the whistle and call JMU for delay. Tribal already mentioned the intentional grounding that wasn't called. The main thing is(other than Delaware), the Tribe is finishing games very well this season. The only bad 4th quarter we have played was against Delaware. This is a significant improvement over last season. Credit to the play calling, the willingness of the Tribe's players to battle for each other, and excellent conditioning. JMU did score one TD in the 4th, but DHC had a big interception, we got the fumble recovery, and the offense had 2 big drives without Reeves as the big possession target.

(10-31-2015 11:56 PM)zablenoise Wrote:  

(10-31-2015 11:48 PM)Rocco Wrote:  If it happened before W&M picked up the ball and the ball never crossed the line of scrimmage, there was no change of possession. The block isn't the relevant part of the play, as weird as that sounds.

I totally missed that live and I thought the ref said it was after the recovery. The whole play makes way more sense now.

No wait a second. How can you throw a block in the back without possession?

Also can someone explain to me what happened on the Reeves fumble. I was in the opposite corner and couldn't see a thing. All my buddies watching on TV said it should have been a touchback

Great comments by everyone and enjoyable to read.

The bottom line is...

There are some victories that are like fine, rare wine; they age well and are always delicious
upon revisiting time after well. We learn to savor these victories forever. Yesterday was one of those wins.

(11-01-2015 01:07 PM)zablenoise Wrote:  

(10-31-2015 11:56 PM)zablenoise Wrote:  

(10-31-2015 11:48 PM)Rocco Wrote:  If it happened before W&M picked up the ball and the ball never crossed the line of scrimmage, there was no change of possession. The block isn't the relevant part of the play, as weird as that sounds.

I totally missed that live and I thought the ref said it was after the recovery. The whole play makes way more sense now.

No wait a second. How can you throw a block in the back without possession?

Also can someone explain to me what happened on the Reeves fumble. I was in the opposite corner and couldn't see a thing. All my buddies watching on TV said it should have been a touchback

The referee said the receiver's knee was down(which implies Reeves). It appeared that he fumbled while going to the ground and then Kujak attempted to pick it up and fumbled it out of the side of the endzone which would have been a touchback. I'll admit though that I was not paying any attention to whether Reeves knee may have been down. I was focused on Kujak not falling on it and Reeves being hurt. Regardless, with all of the ebbs and flows of that game, there was way too much time to say the entire outcome hinged on that call. Had we lost, the same mentality would blame Cluely for the 1st quarter INT and ignore all the poise and great throws he made after that one.

I would love to see our team start faster, but you have to love how they finish.

(11-01-2015 01:07 PM)zablenoise Wrote:  

(10-31-2015 11:56 PM)zablenoise Wrote:  

(10-31-2015 11:48 PM)Rocco Wrote:  If it happened before W&M picked up the ball and the ball never crossed the line of scrimmage, there was no change of possession. The block isn't the relevant part of the play, as weird as that sounds.

I totally missed that live and I thought the ref said it was after the recovery. The whole play makes way more sense now.

No wait a second. How can you throw a block in the back without possession?

Also can someone explain to me what happened on the Reeves fumble. I was in the opposite corner and couldn't see a thing. All my buddies watching on TV said it should have been a touchback

Don't know the rules well enough to respond to your first point ... interesting observation.

As to your second point, I thought he fumbled before his knee hit. The ball was laying on the ground at the 1-2 yd line. Another Tribe player picked it up and moved it forward over the goal line, and the ball rolled out of bounds in the end zone. It was really close as to whether the player had "possession" as he moved the ball over the goal line. I thought the Tribe caught a big break on the eventful outcome, as it could just as easily been ruled a heart-breaking touchback and JMU ball.