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How about a P3 (and a G8)?
There are currently three power conferences with a functioning network. That seems like enough networks for me. So, starting with that, how could we come up with a balanced, rational alignment that can be integrated into the CFP?

Here's one suggestion:

PAC (18)
West: Wash, Wash St, Oregon, Oregon St, Stanford, Cal, USC, UCLA, Arizona
East: Ariz St, Utah, Colorado, Texas, Texas Tech, OU, OK St, Kansas, K State

B!G (18)
West: Indiana, Purdue, Illinois, N'western, Minn, Wisc, Iowa, Nebraska, Mich St
East: Michigan, Ohio St, Penn St, Rutgers, MD, Virginia, UNC, Duke, Ga Tech

SEC (18)
West: Texas A&M, Mizzou, Arkansas, LSU, Ole Miss, Miss St, Bama, Auburn, Vandy
East: Tenn, Kentucky, S Car, Georgia, Florida, Va Tech, NC State, Clemson, FSU

********************************************************************

Each division plays a balanced 4/4 home-away schedule. Division champs based only on games within the division. Crossovers permitted/encouraged but not required. Division champs play in CCG, with winner guaranteed a spot in CFP semis. Loser is guaranteed an NY6 bowl. First tiebreaker is head to head, then highest ranked. B1G/PAC send a third team to Rose Bowl, and SEC sends its third team to Sugar Bowl.

*******************************************************************

What is now the G5, plus what's left of Big 12 and ACC morph into the G8, in which no conference has more than 10 members for purposes of selecting playoff teams.

Big 12 - Baylor, TCU, Iowa St, Houston, SMU, Memphis, BYU, Boise, New Mexico

ACC - Louisville, Syracuse, BC, Pitt, Miami, Wake Forest, WVU, Cincy, UConn

MAC West - Ball St, NIU, W Mich, C Mich, E Mich, Bowling Green, Kent, Miami (O)

MAC East - Akron, Ohio, Toledo, Buffalo, UMass, Marshall, Temple, ECU

USA West - Rice, So Miss, UTEP, La Tech, N Texas, UTSA, Tulsa, Texas St, Tulane

USA East - MTSU, Western Ky, ODU, Charlotte, UCF, USF, FIU, FAU, App State

MWC - AFA, Colo St, UNLV, Wyoming, Nevada, Fresno, Hawaii, San Jose, SDSU, Utah St

SBC - Troy, S Alabama, UAB, Ga Southern, Ga St, ULL, ULM, N Mexico St, Idaho

******************************************************************

The four highest ranked G8 champions play off to determine two guaranteed spots in the CFP series. If one of them is ranked #4 or higher, and is ranked ahead of Notre Dame, they get the fourth semifinal spot. If not, both get at-large NY6 bids, and the fourth semi spot goes to the highest ranked P3 team not a conference champion.

These are likely to be four quality teams, and the winners should be worthy representatives in the NY6. By my count, the G8 group would include at least 11 different schools who have played in at least one BCS/CFP game.

While some conferences have been broken up for football scheduling purposes, the could still remain administratively one unit for negotiating media deals (for example, the MAC and C-USA). The remnants of the B12 and ACC would be free to enter a similar arrangement if they wanted to. The point is to give all 72 G8 teams a clear path to the CFP, not to limit their flexibility.

There it is. Commence with all the reasons I'm a babbling idiot. (BTW, I understand this is a fantasy, and the chances of anything like this happening are close to nil.)
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Why does ECU get stuck in the MAC and not the USA or ACC conference??
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(10-23-2015 03:31 PM)ken d Wrote:  There are currently three power conferences with a functioning network. That seems like enough networks for me. So, starting with that, how could we come up with a balanced, rational alignment that can be integrated into the CFP?

Here's one suggestion:

PAC (18)
West: Wash, Wash St, Oregon, Oregon St, Stanford, Cal, USC, UCLA, Arizona
East: Ariz St, Utah, Colorado, Texas, Texas Tech, OU, OK St, Kansas, K State

B!G (18)
West: Indiana, Purdue, Illinois, N'western, Minn, Wisc, Iowa, Nebraska, Mich St
East: Michigan, Ohio St, Penn St, Rutgers, MD, Virginia, UNC, Duke, Ga Tech

SEC (18)
West: Texas A&M, Mizzou, Arkansas, LSU, Ole Miss, Miss St, Bama, Auburn, Vandy
East: Tenn, Kentucky, S Car, Georgia, Florida, Va Tech, NC State, Clemson, FSU

********************************************************************

Each division plays a balanced 4/4 home-away schedule. Division champs based only on games within the division. Crossovers permitted/encouraged but not required. Division champs play in CCG, with winner guaranteed a spot in CFP semis. Loser is guaranteed an NY6 bowl. First tiebreaker is head to head, then highest ranked. B1G/PAC send a third team to Rose Bowl, and SEC sends its third team to Sugar Bowl.

*******************************************************************

What is now the G5, plus what's left of Big 12 and ACC morph into the G8, in which no conference has more than 10 members for purposes of selecting playoff teams.

Big 12 - Baylor, TCU, Iowa St, Houston, SMU, Memphis, BYU, Boise, New Mexico

ACC - Louisville, Syracuse, BC, Pitt, Miami, Wake Forest, WVU, Cincy, UConn

MAC West - Ball St, NIU, W Mich, C Mich, E Mich, Bowling Green, Kent, Miami (O)

MAC East - Akron, Ohio, Toledo, Buffalo, UMass, Marshall, Temple, ECU

USA West - Rice, So Miss, UTEP, La Tech, N Texas, UTSA, Tulsa, Texas St, Tulane

USA East - MTSU, Western Ky, ODU, Charlotte, UCF, USF, FIU, FAU, App State

MWC - AFA, Colo St, UNLV, Wyoming, Nevada, Fresno, Hawaii, San Jose, SDSU, Utah St

SBC - Troy, S Alabama, UAB, Ga Southern, Ga St, ULL, ULM, N Mexico St, Idaho

******************************************************************

The four highest ranked G8 champions play off to determine two guaranteed spots in the CFP series. If one of them is ranked #4 or higher, and is ranked ahead of Notre Dame, they get the fourth semifinal spot. If not, both get at-large NY6 bids, and the fourth semi spot goes to the highest ranked P3 team not a conference champion.

These are likely to be four quality teams, and the winners should be worthy representatives in the NY6. By my count, the G8 group would include at least 11 different schools who have played in at least one BCS/CFP game.

While some conferences have been broken up for football scheduling purposes, the could still remain administratively one unit for negotiating media deals (for example, the MAC and C-USA). The remnants of the B12 and ACC would be free to enter a similar arrangement if they wanted to. The point is to give all 72 G8 teams a clear path to the CFP, not to limit their flexibility.

There it is. Commence with all the reasons I'm a babbling idiot. (BTW, I understand this is a fantasy, and the chances of anything like this happening are close to nil.)

FTFY -- stick to winning Pickems, my friend.
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New World Order is P4, and the Big ACC gets its own TV network:

PAC (16)
North: Wash, Wash St, Oregon, Oregon St
South: Stanford, Cal, USC, UCLA
Mountain: Arizona, Ariz St, Utah, Colorado
East: Texas, Texas Tech, OU, Kansas

Schedule format: 3-2-2-2

SEC (20)
West: Texas A&M, Mizzou, Arkansas, OK St, K State
East: Tenn, S Car, Georgia, Florida, Vandy
South: LSU, Ole Miss, Miss St, Bama, Auburn
North: Kentucky, Va Tech, NC State, Clemson, FSU

Schedule format: 4 intra-division, 5 rotating cross-division with various rivalry locks (Tenn-Bama, Auburn-UGA, FSU-UF, Clem-SC, etc.)

B1G (20)
West: Minn, Wisc, Iowa, Nebraska, Illinois
North: Notre Dame, Mich St., Purdue, N'western, Pitt
South: MD, Virginia, UNC, Duke, Ga Tech
East: Ohio St, Michigan, Penn St, Rutgers, Indiana

Schedule format: 4 intra-division, 5 rotating cross-division with certain rivalry locks, Mich-MSU, Indiana-Purdue, NW-Ill, etc.

Big ACC (16)

ATLANTIC: BC, Syracuse, Miami, Wake Forest
CENTRAL: Louisville, WVU, Cincy, Memphis
WEST: Baylor, TCU, Iowa St, Houston
EAST: UCF, USF, UConn, Temple

Schedule format: 3-2-2-2

INDEPENDENTS (4)
BYU, Navy, Army, UMass

*************************************************************************

CFP grows to 8 teams - but still based on CFP selection committee rankings (ie, no auto bids). But, with 8 slots, each of the P4 champs make the CFP most years.

CFP Round 1 is hosted by top four seeds. Round 2 spills into the current CFP structure.

Bowl tie ins include:

ROSE: PAC v. B1G
Sugar: SEC v. PAC or Big ACC
Orange: Big ACC v. B1G or SEC
Fiesta: PAC v. at large
Cotton: at large v. at large
Peach: B1G or SEC v. at large

The Group of Four includes an expanded MWC (16) and CUSA (18) and the MAC and Sun Belt conferences.

MWC (16)
PACIFIC: Hawaii, Fresno, San Jose, SDSU
WEST: Nevada, UNLV, Utah St, Boise St.
MOUNTAIN: AFA, Colo St, Wyoming, New Mexico
EAST: SMU, Tulsa, Tulane, Rice

Schedule format: 3-2-2-2

USA (18)
WEST: UTEP, N Texas, UTSA, La Tech, Texas St, N Mexico St.
EAST: Marshall, MTSU, Western Ky, ODU, ECU, JMU
SOUTH: FIU, FAU, Charlotte, So Miss, App State, Ga Southern

Schedule format: 5-2-2

MAC (12)
WEST - Ball St, NIU, W Mich, C Mich, E Mich, Bowling Green
EAST - Kent, Miami (O), Akron, Ohio, Toledo, Buffalo

Schedule format: 5-3

SBC (?)
Arkansas St., Troy, S Alabama, UAB, Ga St, ULL, ULM,...some FCS call ups?...

FCS: Idaho
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(10-23-2015 03:31 PM)ken d Wrote:  There are currently three power conferences with a functioning network. That seems like enough networks for me. So, starting with that, how could we come up with a balanced, rational alignment that can be integrated into the CFP?

Here's one suggestion:

PAC (18)
West: Wash, Wash St, Oregon, Oregon St, Stanford, Cal, USC, UCLA, Arizona
East: Ariz St, Utah, Colorado, Texas, Texas Tech, OU, OK St, Kansas, K State

B!G (18)
West: Indiana, Purdue, Illinois, N'western, Minn, Wisc, Iowa, Nebraska, Mich St
East: Michigan, Ohio St, Penn St, Rutgers, MD, Virginia, UNC, Duke, Ga Tech

SEC (18)
West: Texas A&M, Mizzou, Arkansas, LSU, Ole Miss, Miss St, Bama, Auburn, Vandy
East: Tenn, Kentucky, S Car, Georgia, Florida, Va Tech, NC State, Clemson, FSU

********************************************************************

Each division plays a balanced 4/4 home-away schedule. Division champs based only on games within the division. Crossovers permitted/encouraged but not required. Division champs play in CCG, with winner guaranteed a spot in CFP semis. Loser is guaranteed an NY6 bowl. First tiebreaker is head to head, then highest ranked. B1G/PAC send a third team to Rose Bowl, and SEC sends its third team to Sugar Bowl.

*******************************************************************

What is now the G5, plus what's left of Big 12 and ACC morph into the G8, in which no conference has more than 10 members for purposes of selecting playoff teams.

Big 12 - Baylor, TCU, Iowa St, Houston, SMU, Memphis, BYU, Boise, New Mexico

ACC - Louisville, Syracuse, BC, Pitt, Miami, Wake Forest, WVU, Cincy, UConn

MAC West - Ball St, NIU, W Mich, C Mich, E Mich, Bowling Green, Kent, Miami (O)

MAC East - Akron, Ohio, Toledo, Buffalo, UMass, Marshall, Temple, ECU

USA West - Rice, So Miss, UTEP, La Tech, N Texas, UTSA, Tulsa, Texas St, Tulane

USA East - MTSU, Western Ky, ODU, Charlotte, UCF, USF, FIU, FAU, App State

MWC - AFA, Colo St, UNLV, Wyoming, Nevada, Fresno, Hawaii, San Jose, SDSU, Utah St

SBC - Troy, S Alabama, UAB, Ga Southern, Ga St, ULL, ULM, N Mexico St, Idaho

******************************************************************

The four highest ranked G8 champions play off to determine two guaranteed spots in the CFP series. If one of them is ranked #4 or higher, and is ranked ahead of Notre Dame, they get the fourth semifinal spot. If not, both get at-large NY6 bids, and the fourth semi spot goes to the highest ranked P3 team not a conference champion.

These are likely to be four quality teams, and the winners should be worthy representatives in the NY6. By my count, the G8 group would include at least 11 different schools who have played in at least one BCS/CFP game.

While some conferences have been broken up for football scheduling purposes, the could still remain administratively one unit for negotiating media deals (for example, the MAC and C-USA). The remnants of the B12 and ACC would be free to enter a similar arrangement if they wanted to. The point is to give all 72 G8 teams a clear path to the CFP, not to limit their flexibility.

There it is. Commence with all the reasons I'm a babbling idiot. (BTW, I understand this is a fantasy, and the chances of anything like this happening are close to nil.)

As the Brits would say, you're barking mad. That leaves the have nots with a majority voting block.
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(10-23-2015 04:50 PM)YNot Wrote:  SBC (?)
Troy, S Alabama, UAB, Ga St, ULL, ULM,...some FCS call ups?...

FCS: Idaho

Hey now, Idaho has two wins this year. That's right, we're playing a team this week that had a worse record than us.

If we manage to win a third, my brain will melt. Four, and the universe might as well implode.
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(10-23-2015 04:56 PM)Shannon Panther Wrote:  
(10-23-2015 03:31 PM)ken d Wrote:  There are currently three power conferences with a functioning network. That seems like enough networks for me. So, starting with that, how could we come up with a balanced, rational alignment that can be integrated into the CFP?

Here's one suggestion:

PAC (18)
West: Wash, Wash St, Oregon, Oregon St, Stanford, Cal, USC, UCLA, Arizona
East: Ariz St, Utah, Colorado, Texas, Texas Tech, OU, OK St, Kansas, K State

B!G (18)
West: Indiana, Purdue, Illinois, N'western, Minn, Wisc, Iowa, Nebraska, Mich St
East: Michigan, Ohio St, Penn St, Rutgers, MD, Virginia, UNC, Duke, Ga Tech

SEC (18)
West: Texas A&M, Mizzou, Arkansas, LSU, Ole Miss, Miss St, Bama, Auburn, Vandy
East: Tenn, Kentucky, S Car, Georgia, Florida, Va Tech, NC State, Clemson, FSU

********************************************************************

Each division plays a balanced 4/4 home-away schedule. Division champs based only on games within the division. Crossovers permitted/encouraged but not required. Division champs play in CCG, with winner guaranteed a spot in CFP semis. Loser is guaranteed an NY6 bowl. First tiebreaker is head to head, then highest ranked. B1G/PAC send a third team to Rose Bowl, and SEC sends its third team to Sugar Bowl.

*******************************************************************

What is now the G5, plus what's left of Big 12 and ACC morph into the G8, in which no conference has more than 10 members for purposes of selecting playoff teams.

Big 12 - Baylor, TCU, Iowa St, Houston, SMU, Memphis, BYU, Boise, New Mexico

ACC - Louisville, Syracuse, BC, Pitt, Miami, Wake Forest, WVU, Cincy, UConn

MAC West - Ball St, NIU, W Mich, C Mich, E Mich, Bowling Green, Kent, Miami (O)

MAC East - Akron, Ohio, Toledo, Buffalo, UMass, Marshall, Temple, ECU

USA West - Rice, So Miss, UTEP, La Tech, N Texas, UTSA, Tulsa, Texas St, Tulane

USA East - MTSU, Western Ky, ODU, Charlotte, UCF, USF, FIU, FAU, App State

MWC - AFA, Colo St, UNLV, Wyoming, Nevada, Fresno, Hawaii, San Jose, SDSU, Utah St

SBC - Troy, S Alabama, UAB, Ga Southern, Ga St, ULL, ULM, N Mexico St, Idaho

******************************************************************

The four highest ranked G8 champions play off to determine two guaranteed spots in the CFP series. If one of them is ranked #4 or higher, and is ranked ahead of Notre Dame, they get the fourth semifinal spot. If not, both get at-large NY6 bids, and the fourth semi spot goes to the highest ranked P3 team not a conference champion.

These are likely to be four quality teams, and the winners should be worthy representatives in the NY6. By my count, the G8 group would include at least 11 different schools who have played in at least one BCS/CFP game.

While some conferences have been broken up for football scheduling purposes, the could still remain administratively one unit for negotiating media deals (for example, the MAC and C-USA). The remnants of the B12 and ACC would be free to enter a similar arrangement if they wanted to. The point is to give all 72 G8 teams a clear path to the CFP, not to limit their flexibility.

There it is. Commence with all the reasons I'm a babbling idiot. (BTW, I understand this is a fantasy, and the chances of anything like this happening are close to nil.)

As the Brits would say, you're barking mad. That leaves the have nots with a majority voting block.

That depends on how you count the votes. By my count it's P3 =3 votes, G8 = 0 votes. The reality in college sports is that there are some few schools that have a lot of leverage, and a lot that have no leverage at all. This may well be foolishness, but not because of votes. The P3 have all they need.
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(10-23-2015 03:41 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  Why does ECU get stuck in the MAC and not the USA or ACC conference??

That was a tough call. I wondered whether UConn would be blackballed by some of its old BE conference mates. In the end, I saw those old ties being stronger than having a second team in North Carolina, and the chance to recreate a powerful basketball league enough to make schools like BC swallow their pride.

For whatever reason, the BE was very reluctant to add ECU in the past - they were among the last invited to the AAC. I suspect those same reservations about ECU still exist. They probably make more sense than Wake Forest if you are only going to have one team as a bridge to Miami. But the reality is that Wake is already an ACC member, and unlikely to be booted out in a situation where this conference is formed using the ACC remnants as its base.
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(10-23-2015 03:53 PM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  
(10-23-2015 03:31 PM)ken d Wrote:  There are currently three power conferences with a functioning network. That seems like enough networks for me. So, starting with that, how could we come up with a balanced, rational alignment that can be integrated into the CFP?

Here's one suggestion:

PAC (18)
West: Wash, Wash St, Oregon, Oregon St, Stanford, Cal, USC, UCLA, Arizona
East: Ariz St, Utah, Colorado, Texas, Texas Tech, OU, OK St, Kansas, K State

B!G (18)
West: Indiana, Purdue, Illinois, N'western, Minn, Wisc, Iowa, Nebraska, Mich St
East: Michigan, Ohio St, Penn St, Rutgers, MD, Virginia, UNC, Duke, Ga Tech

SEC (18)
West: Texas A&M, Mizzou, Arkansas, LSU, Ole Miss, Miss St, Bama, Auburn, Vandy
East: Tenn, Kentucky, S Car, Georgia, Florida, Va Tech, NC State, Clemson, FSU

********************************************************************

Each division plays a balanced 4/4 home-away schedule. Division champs based only on games within the division. Crossovers permitted/encouraged but not required. Division champs play in CCG, with winner guaranteed a spot in CFP semis. Loser is guaranteed an NY6 bowl. First tiebreaker is head to head, then highest ranked. B1G/PAC send a third team to Rose Bowl, and SEC sends its third team to Sugar Bowl.

*******************************************************************

What is now the G5, plus what's left of Big 12 and ACC morph into the G8, in which no conference has more than 10 members for purposes of selecting playoff teams.

Big 12 - Baylor, TCU, Iowa St, Houston, SMU, Memphis, BYU, Boise, New Mexico

ACC - Louisville, Syracuse, BC, Pitt, Miami, Wake Forest, WVU, Cincy, UConn

MAC West - Ball St, NIU, W Mich, C Mich, E Mich, Bowling Green, Kent, Miami (O)

MAC East - Akron, Ohio, Toledo, Buffalo, UMass, Marshall, Temple, ECU

USA West - Rice, So Miss, UTEP, La Tech, N Texas, UTSA, Tulsa, Texas St, Tulane

USA East - MTSU, Western Ky, ODU, Charlotte, UCF, USF, FIU, FAU, App State

MWC - AFA, Colo St, UNLV, Wyoming, Nevada, Fresno, Hawaii, San Jose, SDSU, Utah St

SBC - Troy, S Alabama, UAB, Ga Southern, Ga St, ULL, ULM, N Mexico St, Idaho

******************************************************************

The four highest ranked G8 champions play off to determine two guaranteed spots in the CFP series. If one of them is ranked #4 or higher, and is ranked ahead of Notre Dame, they get the fourth semifinal spot. If not, both get at-large NY6 bids, and the fourth semi spot goes to the highest ranked P3 team not a conference champion.

These are likely to be four quality teams, and the winners should be worthy representatives in the NY6. By my count, the G8 group would include at least 11 different schools who have played in at least one BCS/CFP game.

While some conferences have been broken up for football scheduling purposes, the could still remain administratively one unit for negotiating media deals (for example, the MAC and C-USA). The remnants of the B12 and ACC would be free to enter a similar arrangement if they wanted to. The point is to give all 72 G8 teams a clear path to the CFP, not to limit their flexibility.

There it is. Commence with all the reasons I'm a babbling idiot. (BTW, I understand this is a fantasy, and the chances of anything like this happening are close to nil.)

FTFY -- stick to winning Pickems, my friend.

Seeing as how I have never even been a weekly winner in a Pickem, that doesn't sound like something to stick to.
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I don't have that much of a problem with it.
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Quote:Why does ECU get stuck in the MAC and not the USA or ACC conference??

In what he drew up, CUSA is definitely not as good as the MAC. If ECU was placed in CUSA, it'd be more like "Why does ECU get stuck in USA and not MAC or ACC?"
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This actually makes a lot more sense than most proposals I've seen. For the simple reason that the "big boys" all benefit from it.

Also, I like that ACC conference very much. Pretty much the old Big East except drop Rutgers, VA Tech, & Temple to add Cincy, Louisville, & Wake Forest. Obviously not as good as the current ACC, but I think if you had told Syracuse/Pitt 15 years ago that this is where'd they'd be, they'd make that trade in a heartbeat.
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Either add Boise State to the PAC 12, or you would leave a lot of money on the table.

I do not think the MWC would be interested in Rice or Tulane. They might look at Eastern Washington, Portland State, Long Beach State if they re-started football, Wichita State if they re-started football, North Dakota State. UTEP and UTSA might be options as well.
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(10-23-2015 03:41 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  Why does ECU get stuck in the MAC and not the USA or ACC conference??

Hey now! It's not so bad!

[or maybe it is, but you can show us how to have a fanbase]
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