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(10-29-2015 02:29 PM)TheNealT Wrote:  
(10-29-2015 02:16 PM)Stay Cool Wrote:  
(10-29-2015 01:54 PM)TheNealT Wrote:  Best option is for MVFC schools to jump to FBS together and the MVC remains intact, that way basketball and baseball don't need to downgrade to the MAC..

Will that ever happen? Doubtful..
Your other problem is... basketball and baseball shouldn't be why you stay FCS. They are non revenue sports that the majority of sports fans don't follow. Football is and always will be king in college sports, so that should be why you would want to move up. You may think the gap between MVC and MAC football is small, but salaries and national stigma say otherwise. Football is why schools move around, you think TCU jumped to P5 because of basketball or Louisville for baseball? Football>>>>>>>all. Yes i get that academics play a part, but once you have been labeled a high research or very high research university it's all kind of a wash unless you get AAU accreditation. Attendance is even starting to matter less with TV markets rising and the at home gameday experience becoming more emphasized.

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Basketball is a non revenue sport???

And be careful saying football will always be the king in college sports..
Compared to football? Yes. Unless you are kentucky or duke or *insert school with garbage football so fans flock to basketball here*, it is a non revenue sport.

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So Wisconsin, Ohio St and Michigan St have garbage football? Louisville? Florida?? Iowa??


And even the schools we are talking about hear, upper tier FCS schools that might jump to FBS, schools like Illinois St, Northern Iowa, Missouri St draw very well and basketball is certainly a revenue sport for them..
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(10-29-2015 02:23 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  
(10-29-2015 01:15 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  
(10-29-2015 12:56 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  
(10-29-2015 09:31 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  Thank you very much, MSB.

It's somewhat like I thought. Even though a lot of MVFC fans, and FCS fans in general, think the top of FCS is the same thing as the bottom of FBS, even the best FCS program in the nation would be last in head coach salary in the MAC.

In bball, it's obvious Wichita St is head and shoulders above the MAC (and the rest of the MVC). But it does seem that IL St. and MO St. bball is right in the middle of the pack for MAC levels. In terms of coaching salaries.

Both MSU and ISU bball coaches also were first time head coaches, salary is in line for that. We offered Cuonzo Martin up to $750,000 when he bolted to Tennessee.

Fair enough. If MO St and IL St were/are willing to pay $750k salary for head men's bball coach, that would put them at the top of the MAC.


What's your take on that? If MAC offered full membership (say they were down to 11), would MO St bite?

Might be easier to make the big dance from the MAC than the MVC (is the flip side of the coin). But bball revenue and attendance might take a hit.

I would say so. Sun Belt is the better fit, but the MAC would be easier to swallow for the basketball only fan base to some degree.

But the Sun Belt has a much higher chance of happening. (not saying that's a high chance, just much higher than the MAC ... because the MAC is never going to lose anyone)

Would MO St accept Sun Belt invite? Or would they "JMU it" ?
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(10-29-2015 01:54 PM)TheNealT Wrote:  Best option is for MVFC schools to jump to FBS together and the MVC remains intact, that way basketball and baseball don't need to downgrade to the MAC..

Will that ever happen? Doubtful..

But now we're back to my post where I showed that only probably 4 or 5 of the 10 current MVFC teams have the willingness and ability to go FBS.

Wichita St could potentially be one more. But FBS conference need minimum 8 members.

With IL St being the only "for sure" MVC member good to go -- NDSU, SDSU, YSU would either have to be invited as full members or be football-only affiliates -- you'd have to convince at least four more current MVC full members to go for it. UNI might be one. Wichita St could be another. Maybe MO St. Maybe SIU. And if WSU can't or won't restart football, then you'd got to rest your hopes on IN St.
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(10-29-2015 02:41 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  
(10-29-2015 02:23 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  
(10-29-2015 01:15 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  
(10-29-2015 12:56 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  
(10-29-2015 09:31 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  Thank you very much, MSB.

It's somewhat like I thought. Even though a lot of MVFC fans, and FCS fans in general, think the top of FCS is the same thing as the bottom of FBS, even the best FCS program in the nation would be last in head coach salary in the MAC.

In bball, it's obvious Wichita St is head and shoulders above the MAC (and the rest of the MVC). But it does seem that IL St. and MO St. bball is right in the middle of the pack for MAC levels. In terms of coaching salaries.

Both MSU and ISU bball coaches also were first time head coaches, salary is in line for that. We offered Cuonzo Martin up to $750,000 when he bolted to Tennessee.

Fair enough. If MO St and IL St were/are willing to pay $750k salary for head men's bball coach, that would put them at the top of the MAC.


What's your take on that? If MAC offered full membership (say they were down to 11), would MO St bite?

Might be easier to make the big dance from the MAC than the MVC (is the flip side of the coin). But bball revenue and attendance might take a hit.

I would say so. Sun Belt is the better fit, but the MAC would be easier to swallow for the basketball only fan base to some degree.

But the Sun Belt has a much higher chance of happening. (not saying that's a high chance, just much higher than the MAC ... because the MAC is never going to lose anyone)

Would MO St accept Sun Belt invite? Or would they "JMU it" ?

If football was in better shape to help offset some of the potential basketball revenue decrease with a Sun Belt move, the answer would be yes. It's not a JMU deal where we just simply think we are better than them. It's a legit revenue concern. A move to the MAC or CUSA would not be as big of a loss basketball wise. It's really the only big knock on the Sun Belt as it would be a great fit.
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(10-29-2015 02:40 PM)TheNealT Wrote:  So Wisconsin, Ohio St and Michigan St have garbage football? Louisville? Florida?? Iowa??


And even the schools we are talking about hear, upper tier FCS schools that might jump to FBS, schools like Illinois St, Northern Iowa, Missouri St draw very well and basketball is certainly a revenue sport for them..

Hell, don't even leave the MAC. I'd say Ohio and Toledo are pretty good at football, but basketball is a revenue sport at both.
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How many MVC basketball programs make more money than EMU football??? I bet a bunch
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(10-29-2015 07:43 PM)TheNealT Wrote:  How many MVC basketball programs make more money than EMU football??? I bet a bunch

Say whatever you want about EMU football -- lack of wins, lack of attendance, lack of facilities, lack of revenue.

They still pay a guy over $300k salary to be the head coach of their team.


How many people do you know personally making that kind of money?
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(10-29-2015 03:28 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  
(10-29-2015 02:41 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  
(10-29-2015 02:23 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  
(10-29-2015 01:15 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  
(10-29-2015 12:56 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  Both MSU and ISU bball coaches also were first time head coaches, salary is in line for that. We offered Cuonzo Martin up to $750,000 when he bolted to Tennessee.

Fair enough. If MO St and IL St were/are willing to pay $750k salary for head men's bball coach, that would put them at the top of the MAC.


What's your take on that? If MAC offered full membership (say they were down to 11), would MO St bite?

Might be easier to make the big dance from the MAC than the MVC (is the flip side of the coin). But bball revenue and attendance might take a hit.

I would say so. Sun Belt is the better fit, but the MAC would be easier to swallow for the basketball only fan base to some degree.

But the Sun Belt has a much higher chance of happening. (not saying that's a high chance, just much higher than the MAC ... because the MAC is never going to lose anyone)

Would MO St accept Sun Belt invite? Or would they "JMU it" ?

If football was in better shape to help offset some of the potential basketball revenue decrease with a Sun Belt move, the answer would be yes. It's not a JMU deal where we just simply think we are better than them. It's a legit revenue concern. A move to the MAC or CUSA would not be as big of a loss basketball wise. It's really the only big knock on the Sun Belt as it would be a great fit.

Wouldn't Missouri State have a better chance of making the NCAAs from the Belt? MSU hasn't made a NCAA tournament in 16 years and hasn't won a conference tournament in 23 years.

I get that the matchups wont be as compelling (and they wont) and the chances of making the NIT wont be as high, but still...
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Rice, Houston and SMU still have a wild card in the mixed. TCU used to before they moved to the Big 12.
Those three schools still have the rights to the SWC name. Since G5 schools don't make as much money as the P5 schools for them to be in conferences that are spread apart? Would the conferences be better to move teams around?

SWC:
UTEP/New Mexico State
Rice
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Houston
UTSA
Tulsa
Missouri State
La. Tech
Tulane
Arkansas State
Texas State
Wichita State/West Texas A&M

Northern Iowa, La.-Lafayette, La.-Monroe, Lamar, Sam Houston State, North Dakota State, South Dakota State, McNeese State and Central Arkansas all could be possibilities. Even UTA, Central Oklahoma and Little Rock U. could be in the mix as will if two re-start football and the other upgrades.

Also, the main key for expansions is tv markets for the G5 schools. There are plenty of FCS and D2 schools in big tv markets that G5 could get.
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If your local market supports college hoops or you are really good at it and so is your conference mates (I mean seriously good), basketball revenue can and maybe should drive your decisions.

The Valley is a really good basketball league but it isn't a break .500 get an at-large invite good. 23 wins left out Indiana State in 2014. 25 left out Georgia State for the Sun Belt that year. 27 has been an at-large for the Valley, 28 for the Sun Belt.

Basketball is tailor made to develop a reputation by crushing inferior league opposition and heading to the NCAA tournament. UNLV did it. Gonzaga did it (and WCC has gotten better as a result). Missouri State did it in the Mid-Con (Summit) and haven't made the Dance since 1999 under Alford, who is on his third post-Missouri State job and that's with Missouri State winning the Valley regular season in 2011.
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(10-29-2015 06:51 PM)Minutemen429 Wrote:  
(10-29-2015 02:40 PM)TheNealT Wrote:  So Wisconsin, Ohio St and Michigan St have garbage football? Louisville? Florida?? Iowa??


And even the schools we are talking about hear, upper tier FCS schools that might jump to FBS, schools like Illinois St, Northern Iowa, Missouri St draw very well and basketball is certainly a revenue sport for them..

Hell, don't even leave the MAC. I'd say Ohio and Toledo are pretty good at football, but basketball is a revenue sport at both.

I'd say so. Courtside BB season tickets at Ohio start at $1,050 or $62 dollars per game.
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(10-30-2015 10:06 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  If your local market supports college hoops or you are really good at it and so is your conference mates (I mean seriously good), basketball revenue can and maybe should drive your decisions.

The Valley is a really good basketball league but it isn't a break .500 get an at-large invite good. 23 wins left out Indiana State in 2014. 25 left out Georgia State for the Sun Belt that year. 27 has been an at-large for the Valley, 28 for the Sun Belt.

Basketball is tailor made to develop a reputation by crushing inferior league opposition and heading to the NCAA tournament. UNLV did it. Gonzaga did it (and WCC has gotten better as a result). Missouri State did it in the Mid-Con (Summit) and haven't made the Dance since 1999 under Alford, who is on his third post-Missouri State job and that's with Missouri State winning the Valley regular season in 2011.
Well said. Charleston develope their reputation by crushing TAAC (atlantic sun) opponents as well as Davidson in the SoCon
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(10-29-2015 12:56 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  
(10-29-2015 09:31 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  Thank you very much, MSB.

It's somewhat like I thought. Even though a lot of MVFC fans, and FCS fans in general, think the top of FCS is the same thing as the bottom of FBS, even the best FCS program in the nation would be last in head coach salary in the MAC.

In bball, it's obvious Wichita St is head and shoulders above the MAC (and the rest of the MVC). But it does seem that IL St. and MO St. bball is right in the middle of the pack for MAC levels. In terms of coaching salaries.

Both MSU and ISU bball coaches also were first time head coaches, salary is in line for that. We offered Cuonzo Martin up to $750,000 when he bolted to Tennessee.

I have been tracking basketball HC salaries since the 90's. The last 4-5 years the MAC has stepped it up. A relatively recent development.

What I've been seeing in the last 5 years or so has been interesting. Back in the early 90's schools like Xavier and New Mexico were paying their coaches 500,000. When success hit those schools were paying 800,000 then 1.2 million for their coaches.

When the coaches that formed the backbone of that success left, they walked the salaries back down to 400,000 to start for new/young/inexperienced coaches.

Memphis is another example. Calapari if I recall started with Memphis at 750k. After Calapari's run they pushed him up to over 2 million per year. He moves on and they bring in Pastner back down at a salary of 800,000.

Greg Marshall has a nice run at Winthrop and Wichita State's AD (Jim Schaus) hired him for 800,000 to start. Marshall has been successful and now he's making 1.8 million but if he goes I doubt the next guy will be making that much.

Ohio hired Tim O'shea in 2001 for 150,000 no bonus. In 2008 they hired John Groce at a salary of 250,000. The next year they hire Jim Schaus as AD from Wichita State to make a commitment to bigger basketball. In 2012 they hire Jim Christian the head coach of TCU for 475,000. In 2014 they hire the head coach of NDSU Saul Phillips for 750,000 to start. If he has Greg Marshall's success with the NBA flex offense he's putting in then he could be looking at 1.8 million in a couple of years.

Its the the same story across the MAC with HC salaries north of $500,000 becoming common. The administrations in the MAC realize if they pay more they won't get poached as often and higher salaries justify higher buyouts.

It also requires a culture shift. The highest paid employee at Ohio is the men's basketball coach. At schools like an Eastern Illinois, a public school without a lot of money athletic or otherwise having the men's basketball coach as the highest paid employee making more than the school president won't go over with the board of directors. A true commitment to big time Division 1 athletics is required for it to happen.

Last year Ohio was 10-20 in basketball. They put 6700 in the stands on a 17 game home schedule. Most D1 programs couldn't sniff that level of support anytime and certainly not with a 10-20 team. This is a program that could draw as much as Wichita with Wichita performance.

Some of these MAC schools have more upside in drawing basketball crowds and basketball revenue. Weather is not a factor playing inside. MAC schools have large enough student bodies to easily pack the arenas.
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(10-30-2015 10:06 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  If your local market supports college hoops or you are really good at it and so is your conference mates (I mean seriously good), basketball revenue can and maybe should drive your decisions.

The Valley is a really good basketball league but it isn't a break .500 get an at-large invite good. 23 wins left out Indiana State in 2014. 25 left out Georgia State for the Sun Belt that year. 27 has been an at-large for the Valley, 28 for the Sun Belt.

Basketball is tailor made to develop a reputation by crushing inferior league opposition and heading to the NCAA tournament. UNLV did it. Gonzaga did it (and WCC has gotten better as a result). Missouri State did it in the Mid-Con (Summit) and haven't made the Dance since 1999 under Alford, who is on his third post-Missouri State job and that's with Missouri State winning the Valley regular season in 2011.

National competitiveness of a conference is a huge factor in men's basketball attendance.

It was key for the MVC. The MVC has slipped on the court and in attendance in recent years.

The MAC had a lot of schools that could pull 6,000 in basketball but the conference fell behind in national competitiveness in the 90's when ESPN manufactured basketball darlings stole the limelight. The casual MAC fan left and never returned.
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(10-30-2015 06:57 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  
(10-29-2015 12:56 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  
(10-29-2015 09:31 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  Thank you very much, MSB.

It's somewhat like I thought. Even though a lot of MVFC fans, and FCS fans in general, think the top of FCS is the same thing as the bottom of FBS, even the best FCS program in the nation would be last in head coach salary in the MAC.

In bball, it's obvious Wichita St is head and shoulders above the MAC (and the rest of the MVC). But it does seem that IL St. and MO St. bball is right in the middle of the pack for MAC levels. In terms of coaching salaries.

Both MSU and ISU bball coaches also were first time head coaches, salary is in line for that. We offered Cuonzo Martin up to $750,000 when he bolted to Tennessee.

I have been tracking basketball HC salaries since the 90's. The last 4-5 years the MAC has stepped it up. A relatively recent development.

What I've been seeing in the last 5 years or so has been interesting. Back in the early 90's schools like Xavier and New Mexico were paying their coaches 500,000. When success hit those schools were paying 800,000 then 1.2 million for their coaches.

When the coaches that formed the backbone of that success left, they walked the salaries back down to 400,000 to start for new/young/inexperienced coaches.

Memphis is another example. Calapari if I recall started with Memphis at 750k. After Calapari's run they pushed him up to over 2 million per year. He moves on and they bring in Pastner back down at a salary of 800,000.

Greg Marshall has a nice run at Winthrop and Wichita State's AD (Jim Schaus) hired him for 800,000 to start. Marshall has been successful and now he's making 1.8 million but if he goes I doubt the next guy will be making that much.

Ohio hired Tim O'shea in 2001 for 150,000 no bonus. In 2008 they hired John Groce at a salary of 250,000. The next year they hire Jim Schaus as AD from Wichita State to make a commitment to bigger basketball. In 2012 they hire Jim Christian the head coach of TCU for 475,000. In 2014 they hire the head coach of NDSU Saul Phillips for 750,000 to start. If he has Greg Marshall's success with the NBA flex offense he's putting in then he could be looking at 1.8 million in a couple of years.

Its the the same story across the MAC with HC salaries north of $500,000 becoming common. The administrations in the MAC realize if they pay more they won't get poached as often and higher salaries justify higher buyouts.

It also requires a culture shift. The highest paid employee at Ohio is the men's basketball coach. At schools like an Eastern Illinois, a public school without a lot of money athletic or otherwise having the men's basketball coach as the highest paid employee making more than the school president won't go over with the board of directors. A true commitment to big time Division 1 athletics is required for it to happen.

Last year Ohio was 10-20 in basketball. They put 6700 in the stands on a 17 game home schedule. Most D1 programs couldn't sniff that level of support anytime and certainly not with a 10-20 team. This is a program that could draw as much as Wichita with Wichita performance.

Some of these MAC schools have more upside in drawing basketball crowds and basketball revenue. Weather is not a factor playing inside. MAC schools have large enough student bodies to easily pack the arenas.

Ohio is a public school. Saul Phillips is probably making more than the president and any of the board members or other high level administrators.


My point is that Wichita St can actually afford to pay a basketball coach $1.8million a year. That's a lot of money, and so it's a semi-accurate proxy for the success of the program.

I don't think Ohio has the ability to pay any basketball (or football) coach 1.8million, even if they wanted to.
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(10-30-2015 10:06 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  If your local market supports college hoops or you are really good at it and so is your conference mates (I mean seriously good), basketball revenue can and maybe should drive your decisions.

The Valley is a really good basketball league but it isn't a break .500 get an at-large invite good. 23 wins left out Indiana State in 2014. 25 left out Georgia State for the Sun Belt that year. 27 has been an at-large for the Valley, 28 for the Sun Belt.

Basketball is tailor made to develop a reputation by crushing inferior league opposition and heading to the NCAA tournament. UNLV did it. Gonzaga did it (and WCC has gotten better as a result). Missouri State did it in the Mid-Con (Summit) and haven't made the Dance since 1999 under Alford, who is on his third post-Missouri State job and that's with Missouri State winning the Valley regular season in 2011.


If basketball sells tickets? Then, how in tar-nation did Georgia State got invited to the Sun Belt? If Chattanooga say they are ready for FBS? The Sun Belt Conference will invite them right away. Chattanooga is valuable because of their tv market. How many schools in FCS and D2 that some FBS conferences would be interested in? FCS could be interested in D2 schools that could expand their tv markets.
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(10-31-2015 11:07 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  
(10-30-2015 06:57 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  
(10-29-2015 12:56 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  
(10-29-2015 09:31 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  Thank you very much, MSB.

It's somewhat like I thought. Even though a lot of MVFC fans, and FCS fans in general, think the top of FCS is the same thing as the bottom of FBS, even the best FCS program in the nation would be last in head coach salary in the MAC.

In bball, it's obvious Wichita St is head and shoulders above the MAC (and the rest of the MVC). But it does seem that IL St. and MO St. bball is right in the middle of the pack for MAC levels. In terms of coaching salaries.

Both MSU and ISU bball coaches also were first time head coaches, salary is in line for that. We offered Cuonzo Martin up to $750,000 when he bolted to Tennessee.

I have been tracking basketball HC salaries since the 90's. The last 4-5 years the MAC has stepped it up. A relatively recent development.

What I've been seeing in the last 5 years or so has been interesting. Back in the early 90's schools like Xavier and New Mexico were paying their coaches 500,000. When success hit those schools were paying 800,000 then 1.2 million for their coaches.

When the coaches that formed the backbone of that success left, they walked the salaries back down to 400,000 to start for new/young/inexperienced coaches.

Memphis is another example. Calapari if I recall started with Memphis at 750k. After Calapari's run they pushed him up to over 2 million per year. He moves on and they bring in Pastner back down at a salary of 800,000.

Greg Marshall has a nice run at Winthrop and Wichita State's AD (Jim Schaus) hired him for 800,000 to start. Marshall has been successful and now he's making 1.8 million but if he goes I doubt the next guy will be making that much.

Ohio hired Tim O'shea in 2001 for 150,000 no bonus. In 2008 they hired John Groce at a salary of 250,000. The next year they hire Jim Schaus as AD from Wichita State to make a commitment to bigger basketball. In 2012 they hire Jim Christian the head coach of TCU for 475,000. In 2014 they hire the head coach of NDSU Saul Phillips for 750,000 to start. If he has Greg Marshall's success with the NBA flex offense he's putting in then he could be looking at 1.8 million in a couple of years.

Its the the same story across the MAC with HC salaries north of $500,000 becoming common. The administrations in the MAC realize if they pay more they won't get poached as often and higher salaries justify higher buyouts.

It also requires a culture shift. The highest paid employee at Ohio is the men's basketball coach. At schools like an Eastern Illinois, a public school without a lot of money athletic or otherwise having the men's basketball coach as the highest paid employee making more than the school president won't go over with the board of directors. A true commitment to big time Division 1 athletics is required for it to happen.

Last year Ohio was 10-20 in basketball. They put 6700 in the stands on a 17 game home schedule. Most D1 programs couldn't sniff that level of support anytime and certainly not with a 10-20 team. This is a program that could draw as much as Wichita with Wichita performance.

Some of these MAC schools have more upside in drawing basketball crowds and basketball revenue. Weather is not a factor playing inside. MAC schools have large enough student bodies to easily pack the arenas.

Ohio is a public school. Saul Phillips is probably making more than the president and any of the board members or other high level administrators.


My point is that Wichita St can actually afford to pay a basketball coach $1.8million a year. That's a lot of money, and so it's a semi-accurate proxy for the success of the program.

I don't think Ohio has the ability to pay any basketball (or football) coach 1.8million, even if they wanted to.

The school definitely has the money to pay 1.8 million. Ohio is several times larger in both endowment and enrollment. I'll repeat again, Ohio hired Wichita State's AD away for his expertise on the Shocker basketball program as a model for theirs. Its a program that wants to be an every year NCAA tourney program.

The coaches have to perform and show the value first. At 1.8 million the coach should be taking the program to an Access Bowl or a Final Four.

Take a look at what the G5 coaches are making that are under 43:

Taggart (South Florida)-$1,600,000
Harsin (Boise State)-$1,500,000
Rhule (Temple)-$1,500,000
Fuente (Memphis)-$1,400,000
Herman (Houston)-$1,400,000
Bobo (Colorado State)-$1,400,000
Fleck (Western Michigan)-$835,000
Wells (Utah State)-$800,000
Brown (Troy)-$700,000
Campbell (Toledo)-$600,000
Pollian (Nevada)-$600,000
Charlie Partridge (Florida Atlantic)-$600,000
Tony Sanchez (UNLV)-$500,000

-Taggart was hired to coach in an AQ conference that is why his salary is so high.

-Harsin was formerly the coach of Arkansas State where he was making over 800k there.

-Rhule and Fuente have been at Temple and Memphis for a few years. Both started closer to 1 million per year.

-Herman is at Houston, a program on the verge of moving to a P5 conference, hardly an average situation.

-Colorado State is trying to make a big push in football w/ new stadium so they went in big with Bobo.

-Fleck was increased to 835k recently by the WMU administration after a few successful recruiting season.

There are a lot of cases these days in the G5 world where a higher paid coach is replaced by a younger coach paid less money. Nevada was paying Chris Alut more money has he was a legend for their program. UNLV has paid more money for a coach in the past but they aren't doing it now.

MAC and SBC schools are now paying in the same range as CUSA/MWC for starter HC's. That is a big change from where things were 10-15 years ago.
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RE: JMU making moves
The decision on what to pay the head coach starts with a market study by the AD of what peer programs are paying.

The AD makes a salary range recommendation and presents it to the administration. It a conversation where the AD is going to need ample evidence that in fact this is what it's going to cost to bring in a coach of differing caliber to the university. The adminstration then gives tacit approval to the plan by the AD.

The AD uses a search firm to screen candidates then creates his short list for the position. He discusses the interest and range with candidates.

Coaches interview, coaches are selected, coaches are hired.

Its not a question of what a school can afford, its what a school is willing to pay for a coach. Do they want to bring in an established name or should they may as well go for a no-name?
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