(10-25-2015 03:50 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(10-25-2015 03:43 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(10-25-2015 03:28 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(10-25-2015 03:09 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(10-25-2015 02:13 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  Where did you get the idea that this is as good a year as the AAC will ever have??

The AAC, for all the success, has left a lot on the table. UConn could have easily beat Mizzou from the SEC, Tulsa was in there against OU, USF was going at it with FSU (and Flowers has developed since then) ..

The ACC is lucky they put Tulane on the schedule twice, or the difference between the AAC and ACC would be even greater.

Wait. Did the AAC lose to two FCS teams? The only FBS conference to do that.

I understand you want to thump your chest, but let's not act like world beaters.

ACC and AAC schools shouldn't be scheduling FCS teams. ACC teams shouldn't be scheduling bottom tier G5 teams but should be scheduling quality G5 opponents, especially schools in their region and / or in key recruiting areas. AAC teams should be playing regional opponents from both the P5 and G5. The quality of games in both conferences would be much improved.

We'll be happy to host any G5 team that wants to come get a check for an ass kicking in the Valley or make it financially worth our while to go on the road.

Home and Home or Home and Neutral maybe. You do realize the Clemson may not always be as dominant as they have been recently don't you? You might just schedule an Appalachian State ass whoopin' and it not turn out like you expect.

Even when we weren't dominant we won those games. In recent memory we have lost two games to non-BCS/P5 teams....1999 to a Marshall team that went undefeated, and 2009 to a TCU team who lost to Boise in the Fiesta Bowl.

As for the home and home or home and neutral.....make it worth our while financially. To do that you'll probably have to dedicate your entire TV paycheck for a season to make up the difference. We aren't going to be able to sell premium tickets for an AAC game, and we make enough even with $35 tickets for our FCS it isn't worth it.

(10-25-2015 02:26 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(10-25-2015 01:28 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(10-25-2015 12:31 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(10-25-2015 10:29 AM)miko33 Wrote:  

(10-25-2015 07:59 AM)baruna falls Wrote:  You seem to think that I lack the meta cognitive ability to understand context,meaning and past history. No transitive powers here ,only cold ,hard , Thomas Paine power to the people logic. We have beaten 5 ACC schools in a row. Not a stretch to believe we would beat more if given the chance.

Pitt ,whom we have also beaten, is a fine school. Football however,is an area where they have struggled greatly over the past decade. No doubt Pitt has a great football pedigree,but like all sports we must ask the not so transitive question immortalized by the great" my name is Janet, Ms.Jackson if you are nasty," Jackson in her existential pop classic "What have done for me lately".

You mention history and context and then in your next paragraph you mention how ECU beat Pitt 30 years ago? Sure. Also your 5 teams in a row were against teams 3 teams over 2.5 seasons. Obviously Beamer is slipping as a coach just like Bowden did at FSU. You fail to make a compelling case that your school would run roughshod thru the ACC. Your sample size is way too small and spread out over too many years. At best, you have to use the transitive property to compare how other schools do against the ACC from your conference to complete your picture. As pointed out already, your conf is doing well this year. Last year it blew ass. If it can sustain it over years, then you hav a case. You definitely don't today.

Which gets us back to the scheduling. What is accomplished by playing home only FCS and lower level G5 schools? Your level of competition is poor, fans are shortchanged and you create an artificially inflated impression of how good you are. Schools should want to play solid competition. There aren't enough P5 out of conference games for all P5 schools to play only P5 are there? If there aren't then ADs should be trying to schedule H and A with quality teams, not making deals to beat the snot out of schools desperate for $$. I'm a short drive from Raleigh, but it never entered my mind to go watch State play South Alabama or Troy. I imagine Pittsburg area sports fans will feel the same way.

As I posted earlier, Pitt's future OOC schedules are not weak. Most likely Pitt, PSU and WVU enter into some sort of scheduling understanding where we rotate OOC games between WVU and PSU. Add ND 1 out of 3 seasons then all that would be needed is to schedule other P5s as needed. If two P5s are scheduled for most years, then there isn't much to worry about.

Okay then just don't put a FCS or lower tier G5 on your schedule in the one or two other OOC games each year and you will have a good schedule. Playing a Marshall, Temple or Cincy on a H&H basis would give your fans a good reason to buy season tickets or drive to an away game.

Are you an American Conf fan first, a PAC guy or an ACC guy? Guessing on the order of your rooting interests, I assume ECU is your favorite and thus makes your primary rooting interest for the American conf. I'm going to run thru some scenarios, and we'll see if this is doable from Pitt's standpoint.

Below are the actual OOC scheduled games so far for 2016 and 2017.
2016
09/03 - Villanova
09/10 - Penn State
09/17 - at Oklahoma State
10/01 - Marshall

2017
09/02 - Youngstown State
09/09 - at Penn State
09/16 - Oklahoma State
09/23 - *Buffalo (Fill in for example)

This would be a typical scheduling plan for Pitt moving forward.


So the alternative would be this type of scheduling that you seem to recommend
2016
09/03 - at Ohio
09/10 - Penn State
09/17 - at UCONN
10/01 - Marshall

2017
09/02 - Ohio
09/09 - at Penn State
09/16 - UCONN
09/23 - at Marshall

I would say virtually every Pitt fan would prefer the first set of OOC games than the hypothetical I put down below. Sure, we wouldn't have the FCS games but then we'd also drop the 2nd P5 so that we could make more H/H with AAC/CUSA/MAC. That's not nearly as attractive.

(10-25-2015 04:18 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(10-25-2015 02:26 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(10-25-2015 01:28 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(10-25-2015 12:31 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(10-25-2015 10:29 AM)miko33 Wrote:  You mention history and context and then in your next paragraph you mention how ECU beat Pitt 30 years ago? Sure. Also your 5 teams in a row were against teams 3 teams over 2.5 seasons. Obviously Beamer is slipping as a coach just like Bowden did at FSU. You fail to make a compelling case that your school would run roughshod thru the ACC. Your sample size is way too small and spread out over too many years. At best, you have to use the transitive property to compare how other schools do against the ACC from your conference to complete your picture. As pointed out already, your conf is doing well this year. Last year it blew ass. If it can sustain it over years, then you hav a case. You definitely don't today.

Which gets us back to the scheduling. What is accomplished by playing home only FCS and lower level G5 schools? Your level of competition is poor, fans are shortchanged and you create an artificially inflated impression of how good you are. Schools should want to play solid competition. There aren't enough P5 out of conference games for all P5 schools to play only P5 are there? If there aren't then ADs should be trying to schedule H and A with quality teams, not making deals to beat the snot out of schools desperate for $$. I'm a short drive from Raleigh, but it never entered my mind to go watch State play South Alabama or Troy. I imagine Pittsburg area sports fans will feel the same way.

As I posted earlier, Pitt's future OOC schedules are not weak. Most likely Pitt, PSU and WVU enter into some sort of scheduling understanding where we rotate OOC games between WVU and PSU. Add ND 1 out of 3 seasons then all that would be needed is to schedule other P5s as needed. If two P5s are scheduled for most years, then there isn't much to worry about.

Okay then just don't put a FCS or lower tier G5 on your schedule in the one or two other OOC games each year and you will have a good schedule. Playing a Marshall, Temple or Cincy on a H&H basis would give your fans a good reason to buy season tickets or drive to an away game.

Are you an American Conf fan first, a PAC guy or an ACC guy? Guessing on the order of your rooting interests, I assume ECU is your favorite and thus makes your primary rooting interest for the American conf. I'm going to run thru some scenarios, and we'll see if this is doable from Pitt's standpoint.

Below are the actual OOC scheduled games so far for 2016 and 2017.
2016
09/03 - Villanova
09/10 - Penn State
09/17 - at Oklahoma State
10/01 - Marshall

2017
09/02 - Youngstown State
09/09 - at Penn State
09/16 - Oklahoma State
09/23 - *Buffalo (Fill in for example)

This would be a typical scheduling plan for Pitt moving forward.


So the alternative would be this type of scheduling that you seem to recommend
2016
09/03 - at Ohio
09/10 - Penn State
09/17 - at UCONN
10/01 - Marshall

2017
09/02 - Ohio
09/09 - at Penn State
09/16 - UCONN
09/23 - at Marshall

I would say virtually every Pitt fan would prefer the first set of OOC games than the hypothetical I put down below. Sure, we wouldn't have the FCS games but then we'd also drop the 2nd P5 so that we could make more H/H with AAC/CUSA/MAC. That's not nearly as attractive.

He's like the ACCBBS version of Stever on the realignment board.....he doesn't declare so he can be critical without worry of reprisal when his teams take a whipping.

(10-25-2015 04:18 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(10-25-2015 02:26 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(10-25-2015 01:28 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(10-25-2015 12:31 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(10-25-2015 10:29 AM)miko33 Wrote:  You mention history and context and then in your next paragraph you mention how ECU beat Pitt 30 years ago? Sure. Also your 5 teams in a row were against teams 3 teams over 2.5 seasons. Obviously Beamer is slipping as a coach just like Bowden did at FSU. You fail to make a compelling case that your school would run roughshod thru the ACC. Your sample size is way too small and spread out over too many years. At best, you have to use the transitive property to compare how other schools do against the ACC from your conference to complete your picture. As pointed out already, your conf is doing well this year. Last year it blew ass. If it can sustain it over years, then you hav a case. You definitely don't today.

Which gets us back to the scheduling. What is accomplished by playing home only FCS and lower level G5 schools? Your level of competition is poor, fans are shortchanged and you create an artificially inflated impression of how good you are. Schools should want to play solid competition. There aren't enough P5 out of conference games for all P5 schools to play only P5 are there? If there aren't then ADs should be trying to schedule H and A with quality teams, not making deals to beat the snot out of schools desperate for $$. I'm a short drive from Raleigh, but it never entered my mind to go watch State play South Alabama or Troy. I imagine Pittsburg area sports fans will feel the same way.

As I posted earlier, Pitt's future OOC schedules are not weak. Most likely Pitt, PSU and WVU enter into some sort of scheduling understanding where we rotate OOC games between WVU and PSU. Add ND 1 out of 3 seasons then all that would be needed is to schedule other P5s as needed. If two P5s are scheduled for most years, then there isn't much to worry about.

Okay then just don't put a FCS or lower tier G5 on your schedule in the one or two other OOC games each year and you will have a good schedule. Playing a Marshall, Temple or Cincy on a H&H basis would give your fans a good reason to buy season tickets or drive to an away game.

Are you an American Conf fan first, a PAC guy or an ACC guy? Guessing on the order of your rooting interests, I assume ECU is your favorite and thus makes your primary rooting interest for the American conf. I'm going to run thru some scenarios, and we'll see if this is doable from Pitt's standpoint.

Below are the actual OOC scheduled games so far for 2016 and 2017.
2016
09/03 - Villanova
09/10 - Penn State
09/17 - at Oklahoma State
10/01 - Marshall

2017
09/02 - Youngstown State
09/09 - at Penn State
09/16 - Oklahoma State
09/23 - *Buffalo (Fill in for example)

This would be a typical scheduling plan for Pitt moving forward.


So the alternative would be this type of scheduling that you seem to recommend
2016
09/03 - at Ohio
09/10 - Penn State
09/17 - at UCONN
10/01 - Marshall

2017
09/02 - Ohio
09/09 - at Penn State
09/16 - UCONN
09/23 - at Marshall

I would say virtually every Pitt fan would prefer the first set of OOC games than the hypothetical I put down below. Sure, we wouldn't have the FCS games but then we'd also drop the 2nd P5 so that we could make more H/H with AAC/CUSA/MAC. That's not nearly as attractive.

I'm just a sports fan in general. All my money goes to Greenville and i once attended ECU, ASU is certainly not Arizona State, it is Appalachian State and I'm a graduate from there, and I grew up an NC State fan. I don't so much consider myself a conference fan as much as someone that tends to pull for the underdawg and the AAC is obviously the underdawg in terms of P5/G5 discussions.

Looking a what you posted for 16 and 17 dropping the FCS games is the only think I would advocate. I certainly wouldn't drop any of the P5 games.

(10-25-2015 02:13 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(10-25-2015 02:42 AM)rednblackattack Wrote:  What's funny is these AAC fans come running over here all the time seeing our approval.

Another thing that's funny is the AAC is having as good a year as they will ever have. Lets face it, Temple and Memphis will probably never be this highly ranked again. As good as the AAC thinks how much better they are than the ACC, we still have 4 ranked teams and likely 5 with UNC about to move in. The AAC has 3. LOL They say the ACC is bad but yet we are still doing much better than them. They have reached their ceiling.

That is the difference between the two leagues. Like I said, they are much closer to C-USA than the ACC.

Where did you get the idea that this is as good a year as the AAC will ever have??

The AAC, for all the success, has left a lot on the table. UConn could have easily beat Mizzou from the SEC, Tulsa was in there against OU, USF was going at it with FSU (and Flowers has developed since then) ..

The ACC is lucky they put Tulane on the schedule twice, or the difference between the AAC and ACC would be even greater.

Your conference loses to Div 1AA schools. Like I said. Much more closer to C-USA than the ACC. LOL this isn't even a debate!

(10-25-2015 04:17 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  Even when we weren't dominant we won those games. In recent memory we have lost two games to non-BCS/P5 teams....1999 to a Marshall team that went undefeated, and 2009 to a TCU team who lost to Boise in the Fiesta Bowl.

I was at that game - Bowden's first. Kicker missed it at the end to tie. They used two kickers in this one from what I remember and missed a few others in the game as well.

Completely off topic but the best Clemson game I was at was the Clemson-South Carolina game in 2000 where Rod Gardner made 'the catch' and Clemson kicked the FG to win 16-14.

(10-26-2015 04:19 AM)IberianPanther Wrote:  

(10-25-2015 04:17 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  Even when we weren't dominant we won those games. In recent memory we have lost two games to non-BCS/P5 teams....1999 to a Marshall team that went undefeated, and 2009 to a TCU team who lost to Boise in the Fiesta Bowl.

I was at that game - Bowden's first. Kicker missed it at the end to tie. They used two kickers in this one from what I remember and missed a few others in the game as well.

Completely off topic but the best Clemson game I was at was the Clemson-South Carolina game in 2000 where Rod Gardner made 'the catch' and Clemson kicked the FG to win 16-14.

That was one hell of a game! That was the year some dirt pecker fan tried to start a fight with me and five other Clemson fans in the rest area on I385 just before I26.

(10-26-2015 09:23 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  That was one hell of a game! That was the year some dirt pecker fan tried to start a fight with me and five other Clemson fans in the rest area on I385 just before I26.

Wow! I never had any problems with Gamecock fans. For that game, I was on the hill with my friends... there was one SC fan there. He kept to himself and didn't cause any problems. From what I remember, it was pretty 'cold' that day (at least for SC standards in November).

PS - I graduated from Clemson and lived in the upstate for about 8 years.

(10-26-2015 09:23 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(10-26-2015 04:19 AM)IberianPanther Wrote:  

(10-25-2015 04:17 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  Even when we weren't dominant we won those games. In recent memory we have lost two games to non-BCS/P5 teams....1999 to a Marshall team that went undefeated, and 2009 to a TCU team who lost to Boise in the Fiesta Bowl.

I was at that game - Bowden's first. Kicker missed it at the end to tie. They used two kickers in this one from what I remember and missed a few others in the game as well.

Completely off topic but the best Clemson game I was at was the Clemson-South Carolina game in 2000 where Rod Gardner made 'the catch' and Clemson kicked the FG to win 16-14.

That was one hell of a game! That was the year some dirt pecker fan tried to start a fight with me and five other Clemson fans in the rest area on I385 just before I26.

So, did you ever stop at the Blue Ocean seafood restaurant just off the highway in Clinton? It is LITERALLY right at the I-385 / I-26 fork. Good stuff - part of the same chain as Silver Bay (throughout the Upstate). Definitely a "greasy spoon" / fried seafood restaurant, but tasty...

(10-26-2015 10:22 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(10-26-2015 09:23 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(10-26-2015 04:19 AM)IberianPanther Wrote:  

(10-25-2015 04:17 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  Even when we weren't dominant we won those games. In recent memory we have lost two games to non-BCS/P5 teams....1999 to a Marshall team that went undefeated, and 2009 to a TCU team who lost to Boise in the Fiesta Bowl.

I was at that game - Bowden's first. Kicker missed it at the end to tie. They used two kickers in this one from what I remember and missed a few others in the game as well.

Completely off topic but the best Clemson game I was at was the Clemson-South Carolina game in 2000 where Rod Gardner made 'the catch' and Clemson kicked the FG to win 16-14.

That was one hell of a game! That was the year some dirt pecker fan tried to start a fight with me and five other Clemson fans in the rest area on I385 just before I26.

So, did you ever stop at the Blue Ocean seafood restaurant just off the highway in Clinton? It is LITERALLY right at the I-385 / I-26 fork. Good stuff - part of the same chain as Silver Bay (throughout the Upstate). Definitely a "greasy spoon" / fried seafood restaurant, but tasty...

Have eaten there many times, including a few weeks ago after delivering some equipment up towards Spartanburg.

(10-26-2015 10:11 AM)IberianPanther Wrote:  

(10-26-2015 09:23 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  That was one hell of a game! That was the year some dirt pecker fan tried to start a fight with me and five other Clemson fans in the rest area on I385 just before I26.

Wow! I never had any problems with Gamecock fans. For that game, I was on the hill with my friends... there was one SC fan there. He kept to himself and didn't cause any problems. From what I remember, it was pretty 'cold' that day (at least for SC standards in November).

PS - I graduated from Clemson and lived in the upstate for about 8 years.

Oh he was hammered and started arguing with a Clemson fan at a urinal that Gardner pushed off. He kept getting louder and louder and eventually took off his sweatshirt and tshirt, threw them on the rest area floor and said "I'll fight every damn one of you orange S.O.B.s". We just walked out laughing, although I wonder to this day what kind of diseases he got when he put the clothes back on.