(10-21-2015 12:26 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(10-21-2015 12:24 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(10-21-2015 12:18 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(10-21-2015 12:16 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(10-21-2015 12:14 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Our government is a government of the people so I trust that they will do the right thing for all people more than I trust a state to do the same because states bow more to the will of the majority or elite class of people.

Surely you're trolling. Stahp the madness.

Sadly he isn't.

I'm not trolling. History has shown that the national government has done more for human rights than the states.

Open a history book for Pete's sake. The government has had to step in several times to force states to treat all it's people equally. Do I really have to give you examples?

(10-21-2015 12:24 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(10-21-2015 12:18 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(10-21-2015 12:16 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(10-21-2015 12:14 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(10-21-2015 12:10 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  It is truly scary and also very sheepish how benevolent you believe the federal government to be.

You think the states are not "providing for their citizens" because they refuse to blow up the size and scope of medicaid? Like it isn't easy enough to qualify for already? Foh.

Our government is a government of the people so I trust that they will do the right thing for all people more than I trust a state to do the same because states bow more to the will of the majority or elite class of people.

Surely you're trolling. Stahp the madness.

Sadly he isn't.

I'm not trolling. History has shown that the national government has done more for human rights than the states.

how does screwing over the base that pays the bills provide human rights to those that pay the bills?

are you really that deficient in understanding?

why am I responding to you in a serious nature.....I gotta be a damn idiot.....

(10-21-2015 12:27 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(10-21-2015 12:26 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(10-21-2015 12:24 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(10-21-2015 12:18 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(10-21-2015 12:16 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  Surely you're trolling. Stahp the madness.

Sadly he isn't.

I'm not trolling. History has shown that the national government has done more for human rights than the states.

Open a history book for Pete's sake. The government has had to step in several times to force states to treat all it's people equally. Do I really have to give you examples?

nope....it's okay if people die b/c they cannot afford the care.....it's called natural selection via the dollar....

your version only yields a much scarier version of natural selection.....

Here is a link of supreme court cases. I invite you to simply read through all of the cases where someone sued the state for civil rights violations.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Un...ourt_cases

Fit I think you are confusing human rights with something else.

(10-21-2015 12:35 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Here is a link of supreme court cases. I invite you to simply read through all of the cases where someone sued the state for civil rights violations.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Un...ourt_cases

wtf are you talking about....

how does obummercare translate to civil rights....

oh yeah, I forgot.....you're a racist piggie when a missippy boy responds

you've completely lost your train of thought that never existed....

lighten up francis....that ticker can be fragile in times like these.....

(10-21-2015 12:08 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Actually it's spot on. States cannot be allowed to drag their feet when it comes to providing for their citizens. The feds have to keep pressure on the states to do these things.

Or they could just do it themselves. If it's a National issue, aren't they supposed to?

(10-21-2015 12:14 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  Absolutely wrong and not how the government was intended to work.

True

(10-21-2015 12:14 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Our government is a government of the people so I trust that they will do the right thing for all people more than I trust a state to do the same because states bow more to the will of the majority or elite class of people.

Wait... what?

This is really funny.

You could walk up and down your street without a dime and influence your city council election.... and a 'rich man' doing so, or him buying millions of dollars of TV time wouldn't do any better. They often aren't even affiliated with a party.

You guys routinely bring up some obscure state assemblyman with an outrageous position, yet they obviously represent their constituencies. Those people would NEVER get elected to widely held offices, yet they undoubtedly represent their voters.

If you seriously believe what you said here... I just don't know what to say in response. You clearly don't understand things.

(10-21-2015 12:41 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  Fit I think you are confusing human rights with something else.

It's an example of how states are sometimes forced to provide for their citizens.

Didn't we already establish that health care was a right?

(10-21-2015 12:49 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(10-21-2015 12:41 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  Fit I think you are confusing human rights with something else.

It's an example of how states are sometimes forced to provide for their citizens.

Didn't we already establish that health care was a right?

1. Citizens, through the power of the ballot, 'force' states to act responsibly and in the best interest of their citizens. When the federal govt does it through the threat of withoholding funds, it is essentially blackmail.

2. Health care is not a right, and the passage of the ACA does not establish it as a right.

(10-21-2015 12:49 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(10-21-2015 12:41 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  Fit I think you are confusing human rights with something else.

It's an example of how states are sometimes forced to provide for their citizens.

Didn't we already establish that health care was a right?

that's what the illegals, gov't employees, and worthless believe....

...and the few leftover philanthropic souls that voted for that bastage....

since you brought it up.....speaking of state fiscal responsibility, how does a public educator's weekly paycheck look in sw tejas? I'm certain all public teachers in tejas are rainbow gold.....

Healthcare is now a human right?

(10-21-2015 01:07 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  Healthcare is now a human right?

If one states something over and over and over....etc.....at some point it has to become truth....

it's like watching the view and the audience feeling a new sense of liberation as they exit the show....

Healthcare is a Personal Responsibility not a Personal Right

I still wish to know why I am forced to have healthcare when I don't go to the doctors or trust big pharma.

The irony here is that the same people pimping healthcare as a right will say things like

"But what we can do is make sure that at least some of the waste that exists in the system that is not making anybody's mom better that is loading up on additional tests or additional drugs that the evidence shows is not going to improve care, that at least we can let doctors know and your mom know that, you know what, maybe this isn't gonna help. Maybe you're better off not taking the surgery, but taking the painkiller."

or

"At least we can let doctors know — and your mom know — that you know what, maybe this isn’t going to help. Maybe you’re better off, uhh, not having the surgery, but, uhh, taking the painkiller.”"

(10-21-2015 12:27 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(10-21-2015 12:26 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(10-21-2015 12:24 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(10-21-2015 12:18 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(10-21-2015 12:16 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  Surely you're trolling. Stahp the madness.

Sadly he isn't.

I'm not trolling. History has shown that the national government has done more for human rights than the states.

Open a history book for Pete's sake. The government has had to step in several times to force states to treat all it's people equally. Do I really have to give you examples?

Yes. Give us examples.

(10-21-2015 02:56 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(10-21-2015 12:27 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(10-21-2015 12:26 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(10-21-2015 12:24 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(10-21-2015 12:18 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  Sadly he isn't.

I'm not trolling. History has shown that the national government has done more for human rights than the states.

Open a history book for Pete's sake. The government has had to step in several times to force states to treat all it's people equally. Do I really have to give you examples?

Yes. Give us examples.

National government also stripped land away from the native americans and put the Japanese in prison camps but yea... trust them.

(10-21-2015 02:56 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(10-21-2015 12:27 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(10-21-2015 12:26 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(10-21-2015 12:24 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(10-21-2015 12:18 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  Sadly he isn't.

I'm not trolling. History has shown that the national government has done more for human rights than the states.

Open a history book for Pete's sake. The government has had to step in several times to force states to treat all it's people equally. Do I really have to give you examples?

Yes. Give us examples.

you know he's talking about the civil war or civil rights movement in the '60s while intentionally mis-remembering all the other 'stuff'...which has zero to do with the argument he attempts to present in the op....

he rolls little turd pebbles along the ground.....he's good at THAT

(10-21-2015 02:40 PM)DexterDevil Wrote:  I still wish to know why I am forced to have healthcare when I don't go to the doctors or trust big pharma.

Because you don't know what's good for you.

Gubment knows.

(10-21-2015 02:58 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(10-21-2015 02:56 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(10-21-2015 12:27 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(10-21-2015 12:26 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(10-21-2015 12:24 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  I'm not trolling. History has shown that the national government has done more for human rights than the states.

Open a history book for Pete's sake. The government has had to step in several times to force states to treat all it's people equally. Do I really have to give you examples?

Yes. Give us examples.

National government also stripped land away from the native americans and put the Japanese in prison camps but yea... trust them.

It also allowed slavery, denying representation to US citizens who reside in Puerto Rico, Guam, American Samoa, the US Virgin Islands, the Northern Mariana Islands, and District of Columbia.