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(10-21-2015 08:55 AM)holyterror Wrote:  I'm not sure any school has paid more money for more years to be so mediocre as South Carolina. They had a couple of good years, but the return on the investment just hasn't been there. Maybe they will decide to start from scratch-lower the HC salary, scrap the coaching staff, and rebuild from the ground up.

The last time they hired a HC, they figured paying big money to get the big name coach would get them over the hump. They lost a decade discovering that didn't work.

Are you suggesting that Spurrier did not work at South Carolina?

They did not win a national title, but this was the best decade in the history of their program.

They played in 9 bowls. Prior to Spurrier they had played in 11 total dating back to the 1940s.

They went 11-2 three consecutive years from 2011 through 2013. Played in their only SEC title game in 2010.

They also won 6 games over Clemson, including five in a row from 2009-2013.

They hardly lost a decade. Their attendance was in the 80K range, and they have established themselves as one of the SEC heavies, if not a bit short of the Floridas and Alabamas of the conference overall.
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(10-21-2015 08:55 AM)holyterror Wrote:  I'm not sure any school has paid more money for more years to be so mediocre as South Carolina. They had a couple of good years, but the return on the investment just hasn't been there. Maybe they will decide to start from scratch-lower the HC salary, scrap the coaching staff, and rebuild from the ground up.

The last time they hired a HC, they figured paying big money to get the big name coach would get them over the hump. They lost a decade discovering that didn't work.

If 3 straight 11 win years and top 10 finishes is "mediocre" then what are we?
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(10-21-2015 12:51 PM)Rob Wrote:  
(10-21-2015 08:55 AM)holyterror Wrote:  I'm not sure any school has paid more money for more years to be so mediocre as South Carolina. They had a couple of good years, but the return on the investment just hasn't been there. Maybe they will decide to start from scratch-lower the HC salary, scrap the coaching staff, and rebuild from the ground up.

The last time they hired a HC, they figured paying big money to get the big name coach would get them over the hump. They lost a decade discovering that didn't work.

If 3 straight 11 win years and top 10 finishes is "mediocre" then what are we?

It's NOT mediocre by ANY stretch of the understanding. ...But,like the poster stated. It's about "ROI" and when the escalates to the prestigious level...."Success" is deemed by CHAMPIONSHIPS. You must beat who you're supposed to beat by 30+; Beat whom you're NOT expected to beat (especially) @ home. And Championship appearances are a must. And even if you have Chamionship appearances you will eventually be held accountable if you don't WIN those CHAMPIONSHIPS. ....ROI is key!

It's actually becoming extremely cyclical

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(10-21-2015 09:23 AM)TigerBo Wrote:  
(10-21-2015 09:20 AM)gotigers1 Wrote:  They can keep on looking, Fuente will be here next year

And Lynch??

Lynch is gone, strike while the iron is hot. If you are a projected 1st rounder then you go.
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(10-21-2015 01:22 PM)thagr82008 Wrote:  
(10-21-2015 12:51 PM)Rob Wrote:  
(10-21-2015 08:55 AM)holyterror Wrote:  I'm not sure any school has paid more money for more years to be so mediocre as South Carolina. They had a couple of good years, but the return on the investment just hasn't been there. Maybe they will decide to start from scratch-lower the HC salary, scrap the coaching staff, and rebuild from the ground up.

The last time they hired a HC, they figured paying big money to get the big name coach would get them over the hump. They lost a decade discovering that didn't work.

If 3 straight 11 win years and top 10 finishes is "mediocre" then what are we?

It's NOT mediocre by ANY stretch of the understanding. ...But,like the poster stated. It's about "ROI" and when the escalates to the prestigious level...."Success" is deemed by CHAMPIONSHIPS. You must beat who you're supposed to beat by 30+; Beat whom you're NOT expected to beat (especially) @ home. And Championship appearances are a must. And even if you have Chamionship appearances you will eventually be held accountable if you don't WIN those CHAMPIONSHIPS. ....ROI is key!

It's actually becoming extremely cyclical

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They got the best stretch of their history and mattered for the first time nationally. The thought of them being in any type of championship race, whether it's division, conference or national, never happened before Spurrier arrived. A rising coach like Fuente would have never considered South Carolina before Spurrier. I'd say they got their money's worth.
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You don't want to be the guy to replace Bear Bryant. You don't want to be the guy to replace John Calapari. You don't want to be the guy to replace Steve Spurrier.

Nuff said.
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(10-21-2015 02:11 PM)Rob Wrote:  
(10-21-2015 01:22 PM)thagr82008 Wrote:  
(10-21-2015 12:51 PM)Rob Wrote:  
(10-21-2015 08:55 AM)holyterror Wrote:  I'm not sure any school has paid more money for more years to be so mediocre as South Carolina. They had a couple of good years, but the return on the investment just hasn't been there. Maybe they will decide to start from scratch-lower the HC salary, scrap the coaching staff, and rebuild from the ground up.

The last time they hired a HC, they figured paying big money to get the big name coach would get them over the hump. They lost a decade discovering that didn't work.

If 3 straight 11 win years and top 10 finishes is "mediocre" then what are we?

It's NOT mediocre by ANY stretch of the understanding. ...But,like the poster stated. It's about "ROI" and when the escalates to the prestigious level...."Success" is deemed by CHAMPIONSHIPS. You must beat who you're supposed to beat by 30+; Beat whom you're NOT expected to beat (especially) @ home. And Championship appearances are a must. And even if you have Chamionship appearances you will eventually be held accountable if you don't WIN those CHAMPIONSHIPS. ....ROI is key!

It's actually becoming extremely cyclical

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They got the best stretch of their history and mattered for the first time nationally. The thought of them being in any type of championship race, whether it's division, conference or national, never happened before Spurrier arrived. A rising coach like Fuente would have never considered South Carolina before Spurrier. I'd say they got their money's worth.

Look no further than donations & facilities to understand the Spurrier impact - in that way Spurrier was phenomenal - and that aside from his 3 straight 11 win seasons, 6 wins over arch in-state rival Clemson, etc. Some of you folks need to gain some prospective.
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USCe is not a SEC heavy. They have been to atlanta once and got skull drug. Clemson is nicer, has a better stadium, in a better location and better football tradition. I don't care if the put 300 thousand fans in the stadium. USCe is second fiddle in south carolina even with SEC membership. Hell the place made Spurrier himself say eff it mid season. Columbia is kinda dumpy too.

Fuente can do better.

Kirby smart, imo
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(10-21-2015 08:10 PM)shere khan Wrote:  USCe is not a SEC heavy. Clemson is nicer, has a better stadium, in a better location and better football tradition. I don't care if the put 300 thousand fans in the stadium. USCe is second fiddle in south carolina even with SEC membership. Hell the place made Spurrier himself say eff it mid season. Columbia is kinda dumpy too.

Fuente can do better.

Agree, if Fuente wants another job - and I don't think he does, it won't be South Carolina, or any of the other currently available jobs. My point earlier was related to the idea that Spurrier couldn't get SC "over the hump" when he clearly did but no one other than a Spurrier would have even considered that he could realistically make SC a winner - and any coach that tries should consider they will probably die there career-wise.
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I don't think he "wants" another job, but is "open" to other, better opportunities. As he should be. As anyone should. Hopefully, it would be a Southern Cal type of job, but I don't think his track record would be enough to be at the top of that list. Ideally, he stays until he's no longer good. But I think the power 5 chicken and egg problem with competing and getting access to, say, the playoffs, without a P5 brand and revenue sharing may seed doubt of sustainability of this level of visibility.

But I have enough confidence in his ability to compete at levels I've never seen that, even without Paxton, he and his staff can win and develop the talent that he does have (just look at the apparent defensive improvement thus far in only 5 or 6 games).

More importantly, I have confidence in the administration that they will pull no non-financial stops to hire any successor, based on the quality of the final 2 candidates last time.

So I'm just enjoying this, and trusting that we aren't overlooking the game in front of us.
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(10-22-2015 08:02 AM)kabluey Wrote:  I don't think he "wants" another job, but is "open" to other, better opportunities. As he should be. As anyone should. Hopefully, it would be a Southern Cal type of job, but I don't think his track record would be enough to be at the top of that list. Ideally, he stays until he's no longer good. But I think the power 5 chicken and egg problem with competing and getting access to, say, the playoffs, without a P5 brand and revenue sharing may seed doubt of sustainability of this level of visibility.

But I have enough confidence in his ability to compete at levels I've never seen that, even without Paxton, he and his staff can win and develop the talent that he does have (just look at the apparent defensive improvement thus far in only 5 or 6 games).

More importantly, I have confidence in the administration that they will pull no non-financial stops to hire any successor, based on the quality of the final 2 candidates last time.

So I'm just enjoying this, and trusting that we aren't overlooking the game in front of us.

The major difference in our future right now is who is in charge over on Normal.

It would be huge to keep Fuente, but the real positive news is this: http://www.bizjournals.com/memphis/news/...tract.html

And the fact that this guy is our President:
https://twitter.com/UofMemphisPres
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RE: Fuente being looking at for South Carolina job...
Fuente has the luxury of waiting for just the right job. Charlie Strong did the right thing and waited for the Texas job. Unfortunately, he doesn't seem to be doing very well. Same with James Franklin with Penn State.

Fuente knows a great deal more about the future of our FB team than anyone. If he believes that we are due for a continued run of success, I think he avoids the South Carolina job and can wait for a better job. He is still really, really young. If he believes that without Lynch we can't sustain what we have done in the last 2 years, he leaves THIS year, most likely for an SEC-level job like South Carolina.

If CJF has another stellar year like last year/this year, it will be a 3-year run of unparalleled success. If he does it next year without Lynch, then no one can say his success is totally attributed to Lynch. At that point, he could pretty much pick whatever job he wants and will be a candidate for all jobs - including the type of jobs that every coach would want like Notre Dame, USC (Southern Cal, not Carolina), Texas, Oklahoma, Georgia, Texas A&M.

Personally, if I am CJF, I would wait and see what offers could be had in this year or next. The Georgia job would be an awesome job, as would Texas and Oklahoma. Those jobs could be opened as soon as this year or next.

I don't see CJF going to South Carolina. I also don't think that Southern Cal would look seriously at CJF THIS year unless they screw up the search and don't get their primary guy. I guess the places/jobs that scare me the most are Texas, Georgia, A&M (if Sumlin leaves), Oklahoma (Stoops has been there a very long time and they have kind of plateaued).
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(10-22-2015 11:02 AM)ddramone Wrote:  Fuente has the luxury of waiting for just the right job. Charlie Strong did the right thing and waited for the Texas job. Unfortunately, he doesn't seem to be doing very well. Same with James Franklin with Penn State.

Fuente knows a great deal more about the future of our FB team than anyone. If he believes that we are due for a continued run of success, I think he avoids the South Carolina job and can wait for a better job. He is still really, really young. If he believes that without Lynch we can't sustain what we have done in the last 2 years, he leaves THIS year, most likely for an SEC-level job like South Carolina.

If CJF has another stellar year like last year/this year, it will be a 3-year run of unparalleled success. If he does it next year without Lynch, then no one can say his success is totally attributed to Lynch. At that point, he could pretty much pick whatever job he wants and will be a candidate for all jobs - including the type of jobs that every coach would want like Notre Dame, USC (Southern Cal, not Carolina), Texas, Oklahoma, Georgia, Texas A&M.

Personally, if I am CJF, I would wait and see what offers could be had in this year or next. The Georgia job would be an awesome job, as would Texas and Oklahoma. Those jobs could be opened as soon as this year or next.

I don't see CJF going to South Carolina. I also don't think that Southern Cal would look seriously at CJF THIS year unless they screw up the search and don't get their primary guy. I guess the places/jobs that scare me the most are Texas, Georgia, A&M (if Sumlin leaves), Oklahoma (Stoops has been there a very long time and they have kind of plateaued).

What if Patterson took Texas job?
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the only job I think Fuente should take over Memphis (if open) is Miami. I think he would win a national championship there and would be a perfect fit.
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Miami couldn't possibly be as big a rebuilding job as Memphis was
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(10-22-2015 11:09 AM)TigerBo Wrote:  
(10-22-2015 11:02 AM)ddramone Wrote:  Fuente has the luxury of waiting for just the right job. Charlie Strong did the right thing and waited for the Texas job. Unfortunately, he doesn't seem to be doing very well. Same with James Franklin with Penn State.

Fuente knows a great deal more about the future of our FB team than anyone. If he believes that we are due for a continued run of success, I think he avoids the South Carolina job and can wait for a better job. He is still really, really young. If he believes that without Lynch we can't sustain what we have done in the last 2 years, he leaves THIS year, most likely for an SEC-level job like South Carolina.

If CJF has another stellar year like last year/this year, it will be a 3-year run of unparalleled success. If he does it next year without Lynch, then no one can say his success is totally attributed to Lynch. At that point, he could pretty much pick whatever job he wants and will be a candidate for all jobs - including the type of jobs that every coach would want like Notre Dame, USC (Southern Cal, not Carolina), Texas, Oklahoma, Georgia, Texas A&M.

Personally, if I am CJF, I would wait and see what offers could be had in this year or next. The Georgia job would be an awesome job, as would Texas and Oklahoma. Those jobs could be opened as soon as this year or next.

I don't see CJF going to South Carolina. I also don't think that Southern Cal would look seriously at CJF THIS year unless they screw up the search and don't get their primary guy. I guess the places/jobs that scare me the most are Texas, Georgia, A&M (if Sumlin leaves), Oklahoma (Stoops has been there a very long time and they have kind of plateaued).

What if Patterson took Texas job?

Good point. But is TCU (a bird in the hand) worth more than a potential Georgia, USC, Oklahoma job.

Before Patterson, TCU was not much of anything.
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(10-23-2015 08:42 AM)homeboy Wrote:  the only job I think Fuente should take over Memphis (if open) is Miami. I think he would win a national championship there and would be a perfect fit.

Not a Miami type of guy.
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