What does everyone have

UT
BGSU
WMU
CMU
NIU
OU
KSU
Akron
BSU
UB
EMU
UMASS
Miami

(10-17-2015 08:16 PM)thanksjim Wrote:  What does everyone have

Toledo
BG
WMU
CMU


NIU
Ohio

UB
Akron

Kent
UMass
EMU
BSU

Miami

Roughly in tiers. First four should be pretty unanimous at this point.

(10-17-2015 08:41 PM)eich41 Wrote:  

(10-17-2015 08:16 PM)thanksjim Wrote:  What does everyone have

Toledo
BG
WMU
CMU


NIU
Ohio

UB
Akron

Kent
UMass
EMU
BSU

Miami

Roughly in tiers. First four should be pretty unanimous at this point.

(10-17-2015 09:17 PM)niubrad00 Wrote:  

(10-17-2015 08:41 PM)eich41 Wrote:  

(10-17-2015 08:16 PM)thanksjim Wrote:  What does everyone have

Toledo
BG
WMU
CMU


NIU
Ohio

UB
Akron

Kent
UMass
EMU
BSU

Miami

Roughly in tiers. First four should be pretty unanimous at this point.

What do you have different?

(10-17-2015 09:35 PM)eich41 Wrote:  

(10-17-2015 09:17 PM)niubrad00 Wrote:  

(10-17-2015 08:41 PM)eich41 Wrote:  

(10-17-2015 08:16 PM)thanksjim Wrote:  What does everyone have

Toledo
BG
WMU
CMU


NIU
Ohio

UB
Akron

Kent
UMass
EMU
BSU

Miami

Roughly in tiers. First four should be pretty unanimous at this point.

What do you have different?

He is having a hard time dealing with NIU sucking right now. Let him be as he sits alone at a corner table in the bar, mumbling to himself, every so often braking out into psychotic laughter followed by stern fist pound on the table. Give him a few more weeks and he will be able to work it through in his mind and then he will rejoin the world or the sane.........or not, and the state will have him committed and hopefully take away his internet privileges.

(10-18-2015 07:48 AM)westernwilly Wrote:  

(10-17-2015 09:35 PM)eich41 Wrote:  

(10-17-2015 09:17 PM)niubrad00 Wrote:  

(10-17-2015 08:41 PM)eich41 Wrote:  

(10-17-2015 08:16 PM)thanksjim Wrote:  What does everyone have

Toledo
BG
WMU
CMU


NIU
Ohio

UB
Akron

Kent
UMass
EMU
BSU

Miami

Roughly in tiers. First four should be pretty unanimous at this point.

What do you have different?

He is having a hard time dealing with NIU sucking right now. Let him be as he sits alone at a corner table in the bar, mumbling to himself, every so often braking out into psychotic laughter followed by stern fist pound on the table. Give him a few more weeks and he will be able to work it through in his mind and then he will rejoin the world or the sane.........or not, and the state will have him committed and hopefully take away his internet privileges.

Or maybe he is just amused at the thought that there is ever a unanimous opinion on this board.

IMO, NIU belongs in the top tier. What's more important though, is that the Huskies have the Offense rolling again. I think this team will be more than ready for the tough part of the schedule that starts Nov 3rd in Toledo.
Before anyone writes off NIU, see the 2011 season. The Huskies started out 2-3, lost the MAC opener at CMU and looked flat-out awful on defense. What happened after that was a much-improved defense, 9 straight wins, a MAC Championship and a Bowl Win in Mobile.

NIU's offense isn't necessarily rolling again, you just played Miami. Big handicap.

(10-18-2015 09:14 AM)huskiebob Wrote:  IMO, NIU belongs in the top tier. What's more important though, is that the Huskies have the Offense rolling again. I think this team will be more than ready for the tough part of the schedule that starts Nov 3rd in Toledo.
Before anyone writes off NIU, see the 2011 season. The Huskies started out 2-3, lost the MAC opener at CMU and looked flat-out awful on defense. What happened after that was a much-improved defense, 9 straight wins, a MAC Championship and a Bowl Win in Mobile.

Nobody is writing them off. But until they prove otherwise,they are where they are.
I thought the same way about how everyone was dissing Western and they unjustly had us way low even after we beat CMU (some people had us below UB and BSU). However, I kept silent and waited to see how well we played in MAC competition.

As things stand right now, NIU has not earned a spot in the elite group. To get there, you need to be either undefeated or have quality wins. Right now you have not beaten a team with a winning record and you already have a loss to one of the upper tier teams (who has already lost to my Broncos)

For now, accept how things are, keep winning and then prove everyone wrong next month against Toledo. You will really need that win because Western is going to crush you!......just kidding. I expect us to win, but I know it will be close.

(10-18-2015 09:50 AM)westernwilly Wrote:  

(10-18-2015 09:14 AM)huskiebob Wrote:  IMO, NIU belongs in the top tier. What's more important though, is that the Huskies have the Offense rolling again. I think this team will be more than ready for the tough part of the schedule that starts Nov 3rd in Toledo.
Before anyone writes off NIU, see the 2011 season. The Huskies started out 2-3, lost the MAC opener at CMU and looked flat-out awful on defense. What happened after that was a much-improved defense, 9 straight wins, a MAC Championship and a Bowl Win in Mobile.

Nobody is writing them off. But until they prove otherwise,they are where they are.
I thought the same way about how everyone was dissing Western and they unjustly had us way low even after we beat CMU (some people had us below UB and BSU). However, I kept silent and waited to see how well we played in MAC competition.

As things stand right now, NIU has not earned a spot in the elite group. To get there, you need to be either undefeated or have quality wins. Right now you have not beaten a team with a winning record and you already have a loss to one of the upper tier teams (who has already lost to my Broncos)

For now, accept how things are, keep winning and then prove everyone wrong next month against Toledo. You will really need that win because Western is going to crush you!......just kidding. I expect us to win, but I know it will be close.

That's fair enough. UT and WMU do control their own destiny; we don't

Can't wait to go to the Glass Bowl on Nov. 3rd!

I wouldn't argue against including NIU in the top tier, but it still wouldn't change the top 4. Sure they could end up winning the MAC again, but at this point, I think those are the top 4 teams, and in that order. If someone thinks NIU should be ahead of CMU at this point, I'd love to hear your argument. A couple of big offensive showings against what might be the two worst teams in the MAC doesn't make up for a 10 point head to head loss. In a few more weeks, power rankings become irrelevant. At that point, you can pretty much just use the standings.

I have always believed that the team to beat in any sport is the defending champion and until they are mathematically eliminated they still remain a conference elite. With that said, I would put NIU in their own tier still as one of the teams to beat, but in trouble and in need of utter chaos in the MAC West.

(10-18-2015 10:44 AM)John52168 Wrote:  I have always believed that the team to beat in any sport is the defending champion and until they are mathematically eliminated they still remain a conference elite. With that said, I would put NIU in their own tier still as one of the teams to beat, but in trouble and in need of utter chaos in the MAC West.

NIU doesn't need utter chaos to win the MAC West.

They need to run the table the rest of the way and have Toledo beat everybody else on their schedule besides NIU. That happens, NIU wins the West.

NIU fans taking the spot of every Toledo fan in the past 5 seasons!

Toledo hasnt played the best teams so far in MAC play but they are winning rather impressively. Even when NIU was running the table, there wasnt a year where entering the UT game all of their MAC wins had been 14+ in pretty dominating fashion. In 2010 NIU did some damage.

November is going to be a lot of chaos and heartbreaks. You guys ready?!?

(10-18-2015 10:25 AM)eich41 Wrote:  I wouldn't argue against including NIU in the top tier, but it still wouldn't change the top 4. Sure they could end up winning the MAC again, but at this point, I think those are the top 4 teams, and in that order. If someone thinks NIU should be ahead of CMU at this point, I'd love to hear your argument. A couple of big offensive showings against what might be the two worst teams in the MAC doesn't make up for a 10 point head to head loss. In a few more weeks, power rankings become irrelevant. At that point, you can pretty much just use the standings.

Ball State isn't good but speaking about offense, we scored more points against them than anyone else, including Texas A&M and Toledo.

(10-18-2015 01:41 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(10-18-2015 10:25 AM)eich41 Wrote:  I wouldn't argue against including NIU in the top tier, but it still wouldn't change the top 4. Sure they could end up winning the MAC again, but at this point, I think those are the top 4 teams, and in that order. If someone thinks NIU should be ahead of CMU at this point, I'd love to hear your argument. A couple of big offensive showings against what might be the two worst teams in the MAC doesn't make up for a 10 point head to head loss. In a few more weeks, power rankings become irrelevant. At that point, you can pretty much just use the standings.

Ball State isn't good but speaking about offense, we scored more points against them than anyone else, including Texas A&M and Toledo.

Their D did fine against Toledo. All of our points were in the 2nd qtr. Wind and Cold didn't help our Huntless offense (see the excuses?). It probably helped our D though too. I'm okay with some low scoring wins.

The NIU vs. BSU game was a shootout, and when there aren't many stops on one side of the ball, it leads to more possessions and even more scoring. TAMU's Offense is probably better than NIU's if I had to guess. Wasn't the score high 40's to high 20's for Ball State?

(10-18-2015 03:10 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(10-18-2015 01:41 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(10-18-2015 10:25 AM)eich41 Wrote:  I wouldn't argue against including NIU in the top tier, but it still wouldn't change the top 4. Sure they could end up winning the MAC again, but at this point, I think those are the top 4 teams, and in that order. If someone thinks NIU should be ahead of CMU at this point, I'd love to hear your argument. A couple of big offensive showings against what might be the two worst teams in the MAC doesn't make up for a 10 point head to head loss. In a few more weeks, power rankings become irrelevant. At that point, you can pretty much just use the standings.

Ball State isn't good but speaking about offense, we scored more points against them than anyone else, including Texas A&M and Toledo.

Their D did fine against Toledo. All of our points were in the 2nd qtr. Wind and Cold didn't help our Huntless offense (see the excuses?). It probably helped our D though too. I'm okay with some low scoring wins.

The NIU vs. BSU game was a shootout, and when there aren't many stops on one side of the ball, it leads to more possessions and even more scoring. TAMU's Offense is probably better than NIU's if I had to guess. Wasn't the score high 40's to high 20's for Ball State?

We had 59, Ball State had 41, though their last TD was in garbage time against the backups. Our D certainly isn't that good, at least our pass D isn't, or they wouldn't have had 34 points against our starters.

(10-18-2015 03:24 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(10-18-2015 03:10 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(10-18-2015 01:41 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(10-18-2015 10:25 AM)eich41 Wrote:  I wouldn't argue against including NIU in the top tier, but it still wouldn't change the top 4. Sure they could end up winning the MAC again, but at this point, I think those are the top 4 teams, and in that order. If someone thinks NIU should be ahead of CMU at this point, I'd love to hear your argument. A couple of big offensive showings against what might be the two worst teams in the MAC doesn't make up for a 10 point head to head loss. In a few more weeks, power rankings become irrelevant. At that point, you can pretty much just use the standings.

Ball State isn't good but speaking about offense, we scored more points against them than anyone else, including Texas A&M and Toledo.

Their D did fine against Toledo. All of our points were in the 2nd qtr. Wind and Cold didn't help our Huntless offense (see the excuses?). It probably helped our D though too. I'm okay with some low scoring wins.

The NIU vs. BSU game was a shootout, and when there aren't many stops on one side of the ball, it leads to more possessions and even more scoring. TAMU's Offense is probably better than NIU's if I had to guess. Wasn't the score high 40's to high 20's for Ball State?

We had 59, Ball State had 41, though their last TD was in garbage time against the backups. Our D certainly isn't that good, at least our pass D isn't, or they wouldn't have had 34 points against our starters.

I was referring to the TAMU vs. BSU score which was actually higher than I thought. 56-23. If BSU had been able to score quicker on TAMU, TAMU would have gotten more possessions and scored more points.