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Homecoming is hereby moved to bye weeks.

(10-17-2015 04:19 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  Homecoming is hereby moved to bye weeks.

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Man, the turf is starting to look pretty threadbare in that picture.

(10-17-2015 06:05 PM)Old Blue Wrote:  Man, the turf is starting to look pretty threadbare in that picture.

It's just the sun reflecting off of it. It looks the same as always in person.

I'll say it.
From a spectator's standpoint, that turf was not the best choice.
The sun, and the lights, reflect off of it making for lousy viewing.
Not saying that it could have been known at the time of specification, but I hope we don't make the same mistake the next time.

(10-18-2015 11:03 AM)The Flagship Wrote:  I'll say it.
From a spectator's standpoint, that turf was not the best choice.
The sun, and the lights, reflect off of it making for lousy viewing.
Not saying that it could have been known at the time of specification, but I hope we don't make the same mistake the next time.

I have never had an issue with the turf at Foreman Field causing me visibility problems. ODU chose to go with Astro Turf Gameday 3D, which is used by many very successful programs even at the P5 level of FBS. Artificial turfs are made of synthetic materials which are going to be somewhat reflective of light, but even grass is also reflective of light to an extent. Personally I don't see the choice of turf as a mistake, or a problem. I don't know if there are options which would be better regarding visibility for fans.

(10-18-2015 11:40 AM)paintedblue2 Wrote:  

(10-18-2015 11:03 AM)The Flagship Wrote:  I'll say it.
From a spectator's standpoint, that turf was not the best choice.
The sun, and the lights, reflect off of it making for lousy viewing.
Not saying that it could have been known at the time of specification, but I hope we don't make the same mistake the next time.

I have never had an issue with the turf at Foreman Field causing me visibility problems. ODU chose to go with Astro Turf Gameday 3D, which is used by many very successful programs even at the P5 level of FBS. Artificial turfs are made of synthetic materials which are going to be somewhat reflective of light, but even grass is also reflective of light to an extent. Personally I don't see the choice of turf as a mistake, or a problem. I don't know if there are options which would be better regarding visibility for fans.

There definitely are better options. Notre Dame and Michigan, to name a couple, have turfs that are much better regarding the reflection.

Here is what it FF looks like on TV at a night game. It's bad.




Here is Notre Dame (look towards end of video for night setting):

The field always looks wet. Maybe networks and HD effects.

(10-18-2015 12:44 PM)The Flagship Wrote:  

(10-18-2015 11:40 AM)paintedblue2 Wrote:  

(10-18-2015 11:03 AM)The Flagship Wrote:  I'll say it.
From a spectator's standpoint, that turf was not the best choice.
The sun, and the lights, reflect off of it making for lousy viewing.
Not saying that it could have been known at the time of specification, but I hope we don't make the same mistake the next time.

I have never had an issue with the turf at Foreman Field causing me visibility problems. ODU chose to go with Astro Turf Gameday 3D, which is used by many very successful programs even at the P5 level of FBS. Artificial turfs are made of synthetic materials which are going to be somewhat reflective of light, but even grass is also reflective of light to an extent. Personally I don't see the choice of turf as a mistake, or a problem. I don't know if there are options which would be better regarding visibility for fans.

There definitely are better options. Notre Dame and Michigan, to name a couple, have turfs that are much better regarding the reflection.

Here is what it FF looks like on TV at a night game. It's bad.




Here is Notre Dame (look towards end of video for night setting):

Man I miss Taylor

(10-18-2015 12:44 PM)The Flagship Wrote:  

(10-18-2015 11:40 AM)paintedblue2 Wrote:  

(10-18-2015 11:03 AM)The Flagship Wrote:  I'll say it.
From a spectator's standpoint, that turf was not the best choice.
The sun, and the lights, reflect off of it making for lousy viewing.
Not saying that it could have been known at the time of specification, but I hope we don't make the same mistake the next time.

I have never had an issue with the turf at Foreman Field causing me visibility problems. ODU chose to go with Astro Turf Gameday 3D, which is used by many very successful programs even at the P5 level of FBS. Artificial turfs are made of synthetic materials which are going to be somewhat reflective of light, but even grass is also reflective of light to an extent. Personally I don't see the choice of turf as a mistake, or a problem. I don't know if there are options which would be better regarding visibility for fans.

There definitely are better options. Notre Dame and Michigan, to name a couple, have turfs that are much better regarding the reflection.

Here is what it FF looks like on TV at a night game. It's bad.




Here is Notre Dame (look towards end of video for night setting):

Can't say for a day game, but for a night game the angle of the stadium lights may be a factor. At ND and other P5 schools, the stadium lights are much higher off of the ground causing the lights to be set on a more downward angle, so the light may not reflect off of the turf the way a light would at a less downward angle.

Just a guess. Maybe somebody here who is versed in physics could provide verification of this or just tell me I don't know what I'm talking about.

Never had an issue with the visibility of the turf. But, I want whatever surface is best to reduce injuries and keep the water away, which seems to be what we are using.

(10-18-2015 12:44 PM)The Flagship Wrote:  

(10-18-2015 11:40 AM)paintedblue2 Wrote:  

(10-18-2015 11:03 AM)The Flagship Wrote:  I'll say it.
From a spectator's standpoint, that turf was not the best choice.
The sun, and the lights, reflect off of it making for lousy viewing.
Not saying that it could have been known at the time of specification, but I hope we don't make the same mistake the next time.

I have never had an issue with the turf at Foreman Field causing me visibility problems. ODU chose to go with Astro Turf Gameday 3D, which is used by many very successful programs even at the P5 level of FBS. Artificial turfs are made of synthetic materials which are going to be somewhat reflective of light, but even grass is also reflective of light to an extent. Personally I don't see the choice of turf as a mistake, or a problem. I don't know if there are options which would be better regarding visibility for fans.

There definitely are better options. Notre Dame and Michigan, to name a couple, have turfs that are much better regarding the reflection.

Here is what it FF looks like on TV at a night game. It's bad.




Here is Notre Dame (look towards end of video for night setting):

Thanks for posting the videso side-by-side. Although I never noticed it before, I have to say the difference is glaring. I am fine with ODU switching to RealTurf at the new stadium, as long as it is equal to or better than what we currently use in terms of player performance, athlete safety, and durability.

My guess is some of that difference is due to the crappy production of ASN vs NBC and the lighting within the stadium. Our turf is fine.

There may be many factors that produce those effects including the aforementioned camera filtering and angle of light. But it think the external factors have more to do with it than the qualities of the turf itself. The "sheen" look does make it look a little cheesy but I believe that is effect you get at a lot of the turf fields.

FieldTurf offers an eight-year warranty on its fields. Darren Gill, the company's marketing director, said the synthetic turf will have to be replaced about every 10 years. Replacing the turf will cost the school another $900,000 per field every decade.
We are on year 7 I believe and if we are going to have a stadium built in a few years, they will certainly wait to replace it.

A couple of quick responses:

I agree that the TV production can have something to do with it, but I see the exact same reflection at the game, so I can't blame it on ASN or other broadcasts. Rain makes it even worse.

I have noticed this reflection since the Chowan game. I originally thought it was the angle of the lights, but after seeing other fields and the position of their lights, I have determined that there is no way to avoid that angle. The field is just too big. I'm sure it is the type of turf that is the problem.
Boise St. addressed this problem in 2010:
http://www.ktvb.com/story/news/local/201.../11513603/



I'm not saying we need to go to real grass. I'm just saying there are other synthetic turfs that don't seem to reflect as bad.

We need a quick track, will probably stay artificial forever.