(10-17-2015 08:57 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  UCF leads Temple 16-14 at the end of three.

Go Knights!

Hey UCF plays a good UC type 4th quarter.

(10-17-2015 02:38 PM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  Memphis right now actually reminds me a lot of the Kelly years.

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Comparing Memphis to UC... I just threw up.
Why don't you make it perfect and compare us to MoO U?

(10-17-2015 10:23 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(10-17-2015 02:38 PM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  Memphis right now actually reminds me a lot of the Kelly years.

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Comparing Memphis to UC... I just threw up.
Why don't you make it perfect and compare us to MoO U?

You're right, Fuente will probably stay at least for the bowl game and theyll win it, capping off their version of '09 the right way.

(10-17-2015 10:23 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(10-17-2015 02:38 PM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  Memphis right now actually reminds me a lot of the Kelly years.

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Comparing Memphis to UC... I just threw up.
Why don't you make it perfect and compare us to MoO U?

Yep, sadder words have never been spoken.

It's kinda sad that we, a similarly sized program, sit around talking about Memphis's program as if we're CFB elite. Let us not be so quick to cast judgement. In the grand scheme of things, tho we had a good bump - and I was at the Sugar Bowl - during BK's years he never got us over the hump. We lost to a good, but nothing special, VTech team....and looked totally inept doing so....and we got ABSOLUTELY pummeled by UF. Idgaf if BK was there or not, we weren't winning that game (and lest we forget that him being there wasn't so helpful for ND when they met a talented Bama team). If you were there and saw the difference in size and athletism b/t UF & UC then you know this to be true. Let us not even forget that as absolutely entertaining and wonderful that season was....our D was mediocure to atrocious and gave up points like nobody's business lots of times(avg of ~40pts down the stretch).

All that to say, sometimes I think we have a bit of a mis-perception about our program. Our best bowl win(s) are against All-World Academic schools: Vandy & Duke. Despite the instances of many board 'recruit' experts who told us how good CBJ's guys were we haven't put out NFL talent since BK's guys. In fact, its become quite clear that for all the recruiting acclaim, CBJ didn't leave behind an upgraded program from the previous administration. Despite this, fans' expectations have yet to moderate. If you look at overall records to date Tubbs is in line with with CBJ....despite having lesser talent than CBJ had to work with. There's no Derek Wolfe & the gang here.

I guess in some ways it's just a POV thing. If you feel like we've arrived (and there's some merit to this), then I can see/ understand some of the angst we see on the board. However, I personally don't think we've arrived. We've got a few really nice regular season wins, but we've yet to score a UCF over Baylor, Utah v. Bama, Boise v. Sooners, etc etc etc win. We've come light years since Minter, and for this I'm grateful and supportive of the program and want more. But I'm not just thinking b/c we're "Cincinnati" we're going to beat everyone in our 'puny/ pathetic/ <insert hate for AAC>' conference mates. The fact is, many of them have programs on the rise as well. We just don't have that sort of talent to expect to show up and always win. We're not there yet. As such, it's kinda ridiculous to try to clown programs - that are our peers (Memphis).



mc

My first and main issue with Memphis is the majority of their fans. My second issue with them is their cheap and nasty style of play and the fact that they encourage it.

If you want to compare us to somebody, pick Temple or someone else. I was glad when we left Memphis behind the first time and I'm not happy to have to share the neighborhood with them again.

(10-18-2015 12:07 PM)marcuscan Wrote:  It's kinda sad that we, a similarly sized program, sit around talking about Memphis's program as if we're CFB elite. Let us not be so quick to cast judgement. In the grand scheme of things, tho we had a good bump - and I was at the Sugar Bowl - during BK's years he never got us over the hump. We lost to a good, but nothing special, VTech team....and looked totally inept doing so....and we got ABSOLUTELY pummeled by UF. Idgaf if BK was there or not, we weren't winning that game (and lest we forget that him being there wasn't so helpful for ND when they met a talented Bama team). If you were there and saw the difference in size and athletism b/t UF & UC then you know this to be true. Let us not even forget that as absolutely entertaining and wonderful that season was....our D was mediocure to atrocious and gave up points like nobody's business lots of times(avg of ~40pts down the stretch).

All that to say, sometimes I think we have a bit of a mis-perception about our program. Our best bowl win(s) are against All-World Academic schools: Vandy & Duke. Despite the instances of many board 'recruit' experts who told us how good CBJ's guys were we haven't put out NFL talent since BK's guys. In fact, its become quite clear that for all the recruiting acclaim, CBJ didn't leave behind an upgraded program from the previous administration. Despite this, fans' expectations have yet to moderate. If you look at overall records to date Tubbs is in line with with CBJ....despite having lesser talent than CBJ had to work with. There's no Derek Wolfe & the gang here.

I guess in some ways it's just a POV thing. If you feel like we've arrived (and there's some merit to this), then I can see/ understand some of the angst we see on the board. However, I personally don't think we've arrived. We've got a few really nice regular season wins, but we've yet to score a UCF over Baylor, Utah v. Bama, Boise v. Sooners, etc etc etc win. We've come light years since Minter, and for this I'm grateful and supportive of the program and want more. But I'm not just thinking b/c we're "Cincinnati" we're going to beat everyone in our 'puny/ pathetic/ <insert hate for AAC>' conference mates. The fact is, many of them have programs on the rise as well. We just don't have that sort of talent to expect to show up and always win. We're not there yet. As such, it's kinda ridiculous to try to clown programs - that are our peers (Memphis).



mc

I do not think the majority thought we arrived or were cfb elite. The BK years were a start and something to build from. We were taking our first steps. We could have beat VTech in that bowl. BK showed his inexperience as a coach. Kept in a struggling Pike, as a teaching lesson, vs bringing in Grutza to energize the O. People forget it was a 6 pt margin with 9 min left in the game. We were on the 1 with 4 downs and BK got cute. The Florida loss is nothing to be ashamed of. That same FL team beat OSU by the same margin. Their only loss that year was to the National Champs. They were a special team.

BK had some great wins. Yes, the D was marginal by 2009. The only thing he did not accomplish was a win over a perceived elite team. Still though, something to build upon.

I was under the misguided impression our program's goal was to become a perennial top 25 program. This year we have taken a step back. The last 3 years have felt as a huge step back. At the same time, programs such as Memphis, Houston and Temple are making the most of the situation. I understand the last regime was tired of hiring a new coach every 3 years and brought in someone willing to stay for 5 plus years. However, this was done without an interview or vetting a pool of candidates. Said AD then bolted at the first opportunity.

We put way too much money into this thing for 6-6 or 7 and 8 win seasons. I hate to say it, but UC is no where from being a top 25 program. We are not even the flag bearers of our G5 conf.

(10-18-2015 12:35 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  My first and main issue with Memphis is the majority of their fans. My second issue with them is their cheap and nasty style of play and the fact that they encourage it.

If you want to compare us to somebody, pick Temple or someone else. I was glad when we left Memphis behind the first time and I'm not happy to have to share the neighborhood with them again.

Unfortunately, they are our peers in this conf. We will be compared to them nationally. Yes, most of their fans are clowns. Until we beat them consistently, we will have to put up with their nonsense.

(10-18-2015 12:07 PM)marcuscan Wrote:  It's kinda sad that we, a similarly sized program, sit around talking about Memphis's program as if we're CFB elite. Let us not be so quick to cast judgement. In the grand scheme of things, tho we had a good bump - and I was at the Sugar Bowl - during BK's years he never got us over the hump. We lost to a good, but nothing special, VTech team....and looked totally inept doing so....and we got ABSOLUTELY pummeled by UF. Idgaf if BK was there or not, we weren't winning that game (and lest we forget that him being there wasn't so helpful for ND when they met a talented Bama team). If you were there and saw the difference in size and athletism b/t UF & UC then you know this to be true. Let us not even forget that as absolutely entertaining and wonderful that season was....our D was mediocure to atrocious and gave up points like nobody's business lots of times(avg of ~40pts down the stretch).

All that to say, sometimes I think we have a bit of a mis-perception about our program. Our best bowl win(s) are against All-World Academic schools: Vandy & Duke. Despite the instances of many board 'recruit' experts who told us how good CBJ's guys were we haven't put out NFL talent since BK's guys. In fact, its become quite clear that for all the recruiting acclaim, CBJ didn't leave behind an upgraded program from the previous administration. Despite this, fans' expectations have yet to moderate. If you look at overall records to date Tubbs is in line with with CBJ....despite having lesser talent than CBJ had to work with. There's no Derek Wolfe & the gang here.

I guess in some ways it's just a POV thing. If you feel like we've arrived (and there's some merit to this), then I can see/ understand some of the angst we see on the board. However, I personally don't think we've arrived. We've got a few really nice regular season wins, but we've yet to score a UCF over Baylor, Utah v. Bama, Boise v. Sooners, etc etc etc win. We've come light years since Minter, and for this I'm grateful and supportive of the program and want more. But I'm not just thinking b/c we're "Cincinnati" we're going to beat everyone in our 'puny/ pathetic/ <insert hate for AAC>' conference mates. The fact is, many of them have programs on the rise as well. We just don't have that sort of talent to expect to show up and always win. We're not there yet. As such, it's kinda ridiculous to try to clown programs - that are our peers (Memphis).
mc

I will admit that before the season began, I underestimated our conference as a whole. Honestly, if someone would've told me that by mid-season we would have three teams not named Cincinnati ranked in the Top 25, I would've asked what that person was smoking. I'm not against other teams in our conference having a taste of success and certainly not against them building their programs. My issue is the current state of our program. The Sugar Bowl without-a-head-coach game aside, BK may not have won a BCS bowl (there are plenty of other national programs that have had years of struggling in BCS bowls too) but he got us there and put us on the national scene. His years here gave us hope in what was possible. Yes, expectations are high and maybe "a bit too high" at times. However, this is the state of college football now. Like it or not (similar to the NFL), it is becoming about money and what have you done for me lately. If the leaders of our university don't want to compete, win and win now, and strive for a better conference, then why did they invest $80 million plus in the stadium and paying a head coach over $2 million? The bar has been set high and it should remain high IMO. I guess this is where my POV is for reference.

it's any consolation...our losses are to the 18th , 22nd and 27th ranked teams in the latest AP poll...2 of those on the road.

(10-18-2015 01:14 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(10-18-2015 12:07 PM)marcuscan Wrote:  It's kinda sad that we, a similarly sized program, sit around talking about Memphis's program as if we're CFB elite. Let us not be so quick to cast judgement. In the grand scheme of things, tho we had a good bump - and I was at the Sugar Bowl - during BK's years he never got us over the hump. We lost to a good, but nothing special, VTech team....and looked totally inept doing so....and we got ABSOLUTELY pummeled by UF. Idgaf if BK was there or not, we weren't winning that game (and lest we forget that him being there wasn't so helpful for ND when they met a talented Bama team). If you were there and saw the difference in size and athletism b/t UF & UC then you know this to be true. Let us not even forget that as absolutely entertaining and wonderful that season was....our D was mediocure to atrocious and gave up points like nobody's business lots of times(avg of ~40pts down the stretch).

All that to say, sometimes I think we have a bit of a mis-perception about our program. Our best bowl win(s) are against All-World Academic schools: Vandy & Duke. Despite the instances of many board 'recruit' experts who told us how good CBJ's guys were we haven't put out NFL talent since BK's guys. In fact, its become quite clear that for all the recruiting acclaim, CBJ didn't leave behind an upgraded program from the previous administration. Despite this, fans' expectations have yet to moderate. If you look at overall records to date Tubbs is in line with with CBJ....despite having lesser talent than CBJ had to work with. There's no Derek Wolfe & the gang here.

I guess in some ways it's just a POV thing. If you feel like we've arrived (and there's some merit to this), then I can see/ understand some of the angst we see on the board. However, I personally don't think we've arrived. We've got a few really nice regular season wins, but we've yet to score a UCF over Baylor, Utah v. Bama, Boise v. Sooners, etc etc etc win. We've come light years since Minter, and for this I'm grateful and supportive of the program and want more. But I'm not just thinking b/c we're "Cincinnati" we're going to beat everyone in our 'puny/ pathetic/ <insert hate for AAC>' conference mates. The fact is, many of them have programs on the rise as well. We just don't have that sort of talent to expect to show up and always win. We're not there yet. As such, it's kinda ridiculous to try to clown programs - that are our peers (Memphis).
mc

I will admit that before the season began, I underestimated our conference as a whole. Honestly, if someone would've told me that by mid-season we would have three teams not named Cincinnati ranked in the Top 25, I would've asked what that person was smoking. I'm not against other teams in our conference having a taste of success and certainly not against them building their programs. My issue is the current state of our program. The Sugar Bowl without-a-head-coach game aside, BK may not have won a BCS bowl (there are plenty of other national programs that have had years of struggling in BCS bowls too) but he got us there and put us on the national scene. His years here gave us hope in what was possible. Yes, expectations are high and maybe "a bit too high" at times. However, this is the state of college football now. Like it or not (similar to the NFL), it is becoming about money and what have you done for me lately. If the leaders of our university don't want to compete, win and win now, and strive for a better conference, then why did they invest $80 million plus in the stadium and paying a head coach over $2 million? The bar has been set high and it should remain high IMO. I guess this is where my POV is for reference.

I agree with this. The landscape is different today. The top programs (top 30 in country) expect to win and win now. They live in the present, meaning this week and this year. Last year, no matter how successful, does not mean anything. I hope the powers that be at UC realize there are a lot of hungry G5 teams trying to make noise, primarily due to their situation. They are looking at this as an opportunity and are getting better every week.

(10-18-2015 01:03 PM)bearcatmill Wrote:  

(10-18-2015 12:07 PM)marcuscan Wrote:  It's kinda sad that we, a similarly sized program, sit around talking about Memphis's program as if we're CFB elite. Let us not be so quick to cast judgement. In the grand scheme of things, tho we had a good bump - and I was at the Sugar Bowl - during BK's years he never got us over the hump. We lost to a good, but nothing special, VTech team....and looked totally inept doing so....and we got ABSOLUTELY pummeled by UF. Idgaf if BK was there or not, we weren't winning that game (and lest we forget that him being there wasn't so helpful for ND when they met a talented Bama team). If you were there and saw the difference in size and athletism b/t UF & UC then you know this to be true. Let us not even forget that as absolutely entertaining and wonderful that season was....our D was mediocure to atrocious and gave up points like nobody's business lots of times(avg of ~40pts down the stretch).

All that to say, sometimes I think we have a bit of a mis-perception about our program. Our best bowl win(s) are against All-World Academic schools: Vandy & Duke. Despite the instances of many board 'recruit' experts who told us how good CBJ's guys were we haven't put out NFL talent since BK's guys. In fact, its become quite clear that for all the recruiting acclaim, CBJ didn't leave behind an upgraded program from the previous administration. Despite this, fans' expectations have yet to moderate. If you look at overall records to date Tubbs is in line with with CBJ....despite having lesser talent than CBJ had to work with. There's no Derek Wolfe & the gang here.

I guess in some ways it's just a POV thing. If you feel like we've arrived (and there's some merit to this), then I can see/ understand some of the angst we see on the board. However, I personally don't think we've arrived. We've got a few really nice regular season wins, but we've yet to score a UCF over Baylor, Utah v. Bama, Boise v. Sooners, etc etc etc win. We've come light years since Minter, and for this I'm grateful and supportive of the program and want more. But I'm not just thinking b/c we're "Cincinnati" we're going to beat everyone in our 'puny/ pathetic/ <insert hate for AAC>' conference mates. The fact is, many of them have programs on the rise as well. We just don't have that sort of talent to expect to show up and always win. We're not there yet. As such, it's kinda ridiculous to try to clown programs - that are our peers (Memphis).



mc

I do not think the majority thought we arrived or were cfb elite. The BK years were a start and something to build from. We were taking our first steps. We could have beat VTech in that bowl. BK showed his inexperience as a coach. Kept in a struggling Pike, as a teaching lesson, vs bringing in Grutza to energize the O. People forget it was a 6 pt margin with 9 min left in the game. We were on the 1 with 4 downs and BK got cute. The Florida loss is nothing to be ashamed of. That same FL team beat OSU by the same margin. Their only loss that year was to the National Champs. They were a special team.

BK had some great wins. Yes, the D was marginal by 2009. The only thing he did not accomplish was a win over a perceived elite team. Still though, something to build upon.

I was under the misguided impression our program's goal was to become a perennial top 25 program. This year we have taken a step back. The last 3 years have felt as a huge step back. At the same time, programs such as Memphis, Houston and Temple are making the most of the situation. I understand the last regime was tired of hiring a new coach every 3 years and brought in someone willing to stay for 5 plus years. However, this was done without an interview or vetting a pool of candidates. Said AD then bolted at the first opportunity.

We put way too much money into this thing for 6-6 or 7 and 8 win seasons. I hate to say it, but UC is no where from being a top 25 program. We are not even the flag bearers of our G5 conf.

Good points. UC fans do not think we are elite. That being said, we expect to be a Top 25 team because we spent most of 2007-2012 in or just slightly outside the Top 25. Sometimes I think many of our fans forget that.