(10-17-2015 05:21 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(10-17-2015 04:27 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(10-17-2015 01:09 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  Campbell will go to Purdue, or Illinois, maybe VaTech or Maryland.

Campbell will not be going to Purdue or Illinois. He saw how bad Beckman had it at Illinois. He's waiting for a job, but it's neither of those.

Illinois hired Beckman from Toledo... Hard to see them drinking from that well again.

Look for Illinois to hire an older coach with experience... A retread.

They have that now with Cubit.

(10-17-2015 09:40 PM)Fubar Wrote:  Loved this analysis.

http://www.bobcatattack.com/messageboard...PID=184016

Helps identify good candidates

Nice find Fubar! Of the three metrics, CTT is piss poor at #3:

Quote:As I see it, how a team does is a function of several factors:
1. The team location, history, conference affiliation, and facilities - Teams in recruiting hotbeds have a big advantage, as do teams in desirable locations. Team with a strong history also have a strong attraction to recruits. Similarly, teams in power conferences have a major recruiting advantage, as well as more money to work with. Teams with better facilities also have an advantage.
2. The staff's sales ability when it comes to recruiting - If you have a master salesman, he will be able to get the recruits he wants, and better players presumably mean more wins.
3. The coaching staff's ability to coach players up, to come up with strategies for attacking the other teams, and to call plays.

According to this analysis, the top 10 programs:
Navy +75
Ga. Southern +52
W. Kentucky +49
Utah St. +48
Boise St +47
Toledo +45
App. St +42
Kansas State 37
Louisiana Tech +37
Utah +37

Cincinnati -9

(10-18-2015 09:55 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(10-17-2015 07:21 PM)chicago bearcat Wrote:  

(10-17-2015 07:05 PM)eastside cat Wrote:  We play this record after every loss. I think on the B side is the "fire Mick" song for playing after every basketball loss.

Yes, but the losses are starting to pile up. We have too much talent to be .500. Perhaps more concerning are the strange things that come with Tubs, such as waving the White flag against BYU and consistent poor play on special teams. We appeared to be thoroughly out-coached last night in the second half.

The only surprise was Temple. Memphis should be top 15 now. Most thought a split with Hurricanes/BYU was reasonable. We are not playing Akron/Marshall OOC.

Agreed on the Miami (FL)/BYU split, but Temple was inexcusable as was having to come from behind in Oxford. This D is not getting much better and special teams has been a disaster at times. I'm tired of the lack of urgency from this staff and the team.

Tubs quit on his team on Friday night. That's the last straw for me.

If Matt Campbell is an Ohio/midwest kind of guy, perhaps his dream job is at Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, Notre Dame, etc. Sell him on the idea that he will be in an even better position here than at a bottom-dwelling P5 school, offer him a salary comparable to Tubs, and see if we can steal him away from Toledo. He is the kind of coach this program needs.

(10-18-2015 02:11 PM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  Tubs quit on his team on Friday night. That's the last straw for me.

If Matt Campbell is an Ohio/midwest kind of guy, perhaps his dream job is at Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, Notre Dame, etc. Sell him on the idea that he will be in an even better position here than at a bottom-dwelling P5 school, offer him a salary comparable to Tubs, and see if we can steal him away from Toledo. He is the kind of coach this program needs.

I agree with every word of this. Its not Tubs recruiting, its not the head scratching personnel decisions, and its not the revolving DC door thats lead to horrendous D. It was quitting with that punt. His tenure here needs to be over after that alone.

I also agree with Matt Campbell being a go to guy right now. Of the MAC coaches I'd only hire him. I'd also be cool with a highly knowledgeable, respected, and coveted C5 coordinator.

Stepped in to offer congrats to the three ranked teams on the main board and say a few kind words to the Memphis folk on their board.

As for UC....Tubs and staff continue to do or not do things that I have ripped on them for all season long (and got banned from the UC247 board for saying).

Until that stiff and his collection of losers are gone this is what you have with UC football.....too bad too. The AAC is actually pretty good this year and we would have had a golden chance if we were good to make a NY6 bowl with a solid conf/non conf slate too. Unreal.

Going black again...just had to check in to home for a second and offer my sour notes about our horrific coaching staff.

I understand the losses that we took, what I can't stand is Tuberville waving the white flag with 4 and a half minutes left of the game...That's what bothers me the most more then anything.

(10-18-2015 08:53 PM)MercerCo_BearCat Wrote:  I understand the losses that we took, what I can't stand is Tuberville waving the white flag with 4 and a half minutes left of the game...That's what bothers me the most more then anything.

At that point the Bearcats had been outscored 35 - 7 and both the offensive and defensive lines were being man-handled. On BYU's last possession they had a receiver get left wide-open (by ~ 40 yards)... the players had lost it mentally and physically.

(10-19-2015 07:23 AM)Crewdogz Wrote:  

(10-18-2015 08:53 PM)MercerCo_BearCat Wrote:  I understand the losses that we took, what I can't stand is Tuberville waving the white flag with 4 and a half minutes left of the game...That's what bothers me the most more then anything.

At that point the Bearcats had been outscored 35 - 7 and both the offensive and defensive lines were being man-handled. On BYU's last possession they had a receiver get left wide-open (by ~ 40 yards)... the players had lost it mentally and physically.

So that justifies quitting? As the head coach?

If im the coach and my starters have apparently "lost it", you bench them, scream at them until they "get it back", or give them some inspirational sh!t. You do SOMETHING. You dont punt and start packin the plane. I dont care if we wouldnt have gotten the fourth down and we would end up losing by 21. If theres time on the clock, you try to win. Period.

I'd say ive been one of the more patient folks with Tubs. Ive given some folks a hard time for flipping out at the little stuff and sometimes stuff that wasnt even actually real stuff. But you add in all the little stuff with this final act of quitting.... and now im fed up.

(10-19-2015 08:01 AM)The T-Shirt Wrote:  

(10-19-2015 07:23 AM)Crewdogz Wrote:  

(10-18-2015 08:53 PM)MercerCo_BearCat Wrote:  I understand the losses that we took, what I can't stand is Tuberville waving the white flag with 4 and a half minutes left of the game...That's what bothers me the most more then anything.

At that point the Bearcats had been outscored 35 - 7 and both the offensive and defensive lines were being man-handled. On BYU's last possession they had a receiver get left wide-open (by ~ 40 yards)... the players had lost it mentally and physically.

So that justifies quitting? As the head coach?

If im the coach and my starters have apparently "lost it", you bench them, scream at them until they "get it back", or give them some inspirational sh!t. You do SOMETHING. You dont punt and start packin the plane. I dont care if we wouldnt have gotten the fourth down and we would end up losing by 21. If theres time on the clock, you try to win. Period.

I'd say ive been one of the more patient folks with Tubs. Ive given some folks a hard time for flipping out at the little stuff and sometimes stuff that wasnt even actually real stuff. But you add in all the little stuff with this final act of quitting.... and now im fed up.

If T-Shirt is fed up you know things are getting bad. And I totally agree with you BTW.

(10-19-2015 08:26 AM)Racinejake Wrote:  

(10-19-2015 08:01 AM)The T-Shirt Wrote:  

(10-19-2015 07:23 AM)Crewdogz Wrote:  

(10-18-2015 08:53 PM)MercerCo_BearCat Wrote:  I understand the losses that we took, what I can't stand is Tuberville waving the white flag with 4 and a half minutes left of the game...That's what bothers me the most more then anything.

At that point the Bearcats had been outscored 35 - 7 and both the offensive and defensive lines were being man-handled. On BYU's last possession they had a receiver get left wide-open (by ~ 40 yards)... the players had lost it mentally and physically.

So that justifies quitting? As the head coach?

If im the coach and my starters have apparently "lost it", you bench them, scream at them until they "get it back", or give them some inspirational sh!t. You do SOMETHING. You dont punt and start packin the plane. I dont care if we wouldnt have gotten the fourth down and we would end up losing by 21. If theres time on the clock, you try to win. Period.

I'd say ive been one of the more patient folks with Tubs. Ive given some folks a hard time for flipping out at the little stuff and sometimes stuff that wasnt even actually real stuff. But you add in all the little stuff with this final act of quitting.... and now im fed up.

If T-Shirt is fed up you know things are getting bad. And I totally agree with you BTW.

If T-Shirt is fed up things are already that bad and going to get worse in the coming seasons unless this coaching staff changes what they are doing. I dont see that happening.

Why are we still running our quarterbacks? Can someone explain that to me? They both have good arms so why risk the injuries? I would want to protect them as much as possible. Reminds me of the rda runs up the middle 10 times a game.

(10-19-2015 08:50 AM)@ES Trader Wrote:  

(10-19-2015 08:26 AM)Racinejake Wrote:  

(10-19-2015 08:01 AM)The T-Shirt Wrote:  

(10-19-2015 07:23 AM)Crewdogz Wrote:  

(10-18-2015 08:53 PM)MercerCo_BearCat Wrote:  I understand the losses that we took, what I can't stand is Tuberville waving the white flag with 4 and a half minutes left of the game...That's what bothers me the most more then anything.

At that point the Bearcats had been outscored 35 - 7 and both the offensive and defensive lines were being man-handled. On BYU's last possession they had a receiver get left wide-open (by ~ 40 yards)... the players had lost it mentally and physically.

So that justifies quitting? As the head coach?

If im the coach and my starters have apparently "lost it", you bench them, scream at them until they "get it back", or give them some inspirational sh!t. You do SOMETHING. You dont punt and start packin the plane. I dont care if we wouldnt have gotten the fourth down and we would end up losing by 21. If theres time on the clock, you try to win. Period.

I'd say ive been one of the more patient folks with Tubs. Ive given some folks a hard time for flipping out at the little stuff and sometimes stuff that wasnt even actually real stuff. But you add in all the little stuff with this final act of quitting.... and now im fed up.

If T-Shirt is fed up you know things are getting bad. And I totally agree with you BTW.

If T-Shirt is fed up things are already that bad and going to get worse in the coming seasons unless this coaching staff changes what they are doing. I dont see that happening.

Why are we still running our quarterbacks? Can someone explain that to me? They both have good arms so why risk the injuries? I would want to protect them as much as possible. Reminds me of the rda runs up the middle 10 times a game.

I think most QB injuries actually happen in or around the pocket.

(10-19-2015 08:50 AM)@ES Trader Wrote:  

(10-19-2015 08:26 AM)Racinejake Wrote:  

(10-19-2015 08:01 AM)The T-Shirt Wrote:  

(10-19-2015 07:23 AM)Crewdogz Wrote:  

(10-18-2015 08:53 PM)MercerCo_BearCat Wrote:  I understand the losses that we took, what I can't stand is Tuberville waving the white flag with 4 and a half minutes left of the game...That's what bothers me the most more then anything.

At that point the Bearcats had been outscored 35 - 7 and both the offensive and defensive lines were being man-handled. On BYU's last possession they had a receiver get left wide-open (by ~ 40 yards)... the players had lost it mentally and physically.

So that justifies quitting? As the head coach?

If im the coach and my starters have apparently "lost it", you bench them, scream at them until they "get it back", or give them some inspirational sh!t. You do SOMETHING. You dont punt and start packin the plane. I dont care if we wouldnt have gotten the fourth down and we would end up losing by 21. If theres time on the clock, you try to win. Period.

I'd say ive been one of the more patient folks with Tubs. Ive given some folks a hard time for flipping out at the little stuff and sometimes stuff that wasnt even actually real stuff. But you add in all the little stuff with this final act of quitting.... and now im fed up.

If T-Shirt is fed up you know things are getting bad. And I totally agree with you BTW.

If T-Shirt is fed up things are already that bad and going to get worse in the coming seasons unless this coaching staff changes what they are doing. I dont see that happening.

Why are we still running our quarterbacks? Can someone explain that to me? They both have good arms so why risk the injuries? I would want to protect them as much as possible. Reminds me of the rda runs up the middle 10 times a game.

I mean Ohio State runs its QBs and both have good arms and throw the ball well. You run your QBs because it's an added dimension to the offense. I think the big issue is the predictability of when they run their QBs (inevitably on similar plays in the redzone when everyone is expecting it).

^^ With this offense you have to have a running QB. The bigger issue is the lack of touches for Boone.

(10-19-2015 09:12 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  ^^ With this offense you have to have a running QB. The bigger issue is the lack of touches for Boone.

Seriously. I read somewhere that he got 2 carries in the second half. Hes averaging like 3 ypc more than what the other two are... inexcusable. After what?... basically 4 weeks off?

Boones ankle better be hanging on by a thread, because if the carries are determined by experience....

I agree with the comments re: running the QB. We seems to run a qb draw at leat once every trip into red zone. It's too predictable. Plus, our QBs just aren't that mobile. At some point the QB draws just aren't effective and need to be replaced. I'd rather run RB draws, RB/HB screens, etc. if we're just trying to slow down or exploit a heavy rush.

(10-19-2015 09:12 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  ^^ With this offense you have to have a running QB. The bigger issue is the lack of touches for Boone.

Probably because he's the weakest of the three in pass protection.

(10-19-2015 10:57 AM)JackieTreehorn Wrote:  

(10-19-2015 09:12 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  ^^ With this offense you have to have a running QB. The bigger issue is the lack of touches for Boone.

Probably because he's the weakest of the three in pass protection.

Not an issue if he is getting the ball

(10-19-2015 10:57 AM)JackieTreehorn Wrote:  

(10-19-2015 09:12 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  ^^ With this offense you have to have a running QB. The bigger issue is the lack of touches for Boone.

Probably because he's the weakest of the three in pass protection.

Everyone keeps saying that but he picked it up well on a couple of plays that I recall in the 1st half. I had the radio on as well and the on-air crew, Kelly in particular, went so far as to call him out for special atta-boys on a couple plays on his blitz pickup.

Mix in his ability as a great receiver out of the backfied and the kid needs to see the field early and often.

(10-19-2015 10:57 AM)JackieTreehorn Wrote:  

(10-19-2015 09:12 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  ^^ With this offense you have to have a running QB. The bigger issue is the lack of touches for Boone.

Probably because he's the weakest of the three in pass protection.

Do we know that to be true? Maybe Tubs has said that somewhere? All I know is I saw Moore getting sacked a lot even when Boone was not in the game (not that it's necessarily the RBs fault).