(10-17-2015 07:21 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(10-17-2015 07:19 PM)cr11owl Wrote:  Iron bowl 100+ yard return to end the game with :00 seconds left on a missed FG was pretty crazy.

I was there for that one.

I believe the two endings might have something in common--an elite coach not anticipating the worst case scenario.

In the case of Saban, he tried a long field goal, but the the FG team is a very poor punt coverage team. not enough speed. and it was a low probability make for a FG.

In the case of Harbaugh, he failed to instruct his punter that in case of a bad snap (and a drop is equivalent to a bad snap), fall on it. If the punter falls on the ball, Michigan almost certainly wins. Sparty would have had to kick a 55 yard FG or try a Hail Mary to the end zone.

We were up by 3 against Arkansas one year with 9 seconds to go. I think this was Bill Peterson's year. We had the ball, 4th down on our own 9 yard line. I'm yelling "take a safety" as I was worried we might get a punt blocked. Instead we punted and interfered with the fair catch and McClard kicked a field goal as time expired to tie the game.

(10-17-2015 08:39 PM)bobreinhold1 Wrote:  We were up by 3 against Arkansas one year with 9 seconds to go. I think this was Bill Peterson's year. We had the ball, 4th down on our own 9 yard line. I'm yelling "take a safety" as I was worried we might get a punt blocked. Instead we punted and interfered with the fair catch and McClard kicked a field goal as time expired to tie the game.

That was the Peterson year, 1971.

Granted one was home and other was not but interesting that So. Miss more competitive against Miss St. than La Tech was today.

With La Tech losing by 20 to Miss St and also having lost to K-State who is now 0-3 in Big XII, important to note that the Bulldogs are not world beaters when they come into HRS. That will be a big game to see where this program is at (forward, plateau, regressed).

(10-17-2015 10:19 PM)owl40 Wrote:  Granted one was home and other was not but interesting that So. Miss more competitive against Miss St. than La Tech was today.

With La Tech losing by 20 to Miss St and also having lost to K-State who is now 0-3 in Big XII, important to note that the Bulldogs are not world beaters when they come into HRS. That will be a big game to see where this program is at (forward, plateau, regressed).

As noted often, La Tech lost to an FCS team last year, then beat Rice by 40

If they beat us by 40 this year at HRS, it is bad, but I don't believe it will be worse because they didn't hang with Missy State in the second half. Even if La Tech has beaten Missy State, that wouldn't be a suitable excuse for losing to La Tech by 40 (though some on the board may think otherwise).

Along the same line, it is bad to be noncompetitive against WKU, whether they play LSU tight or not.

La Tech was far more competitive than the final score might indicate. They led by 7 with 3 minutes left in the first half, Miss St scored a TD to tie, then blocked a punt to set up another TD for a 24-17 halftime lead.

(10-17-2015 08:43 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(10-17-2015 08:39 PM)bobreinhold1 Wrote:  We were up by 3 against Arkansas one year with 9 seconds to go. I think this was Bill Peterson's year. We had the ball, 4th down on our own 9 yard line. I'm yelling "take a safety" as I was worried we might get a punt blocked. Instead we punted and interfered with the fair catch and McClard kicked a field goal as time expired to tie the game.

That was the Peterson year, 1971.

Was it a free kick FG from the spot of the fair catch? I've heard of that rule and seen a couple games where it was discussed as a possible option, but never seen it attempted.

Probably another reason why taking the safety is often a good tactic.

The Colts run the worst fake punt ever. This makes the Buttfumble look good.

https://twitter.com/nfl/status/655943070488236032

(10-19-2015 08:32 AM)owl at the moon Wrote:  

(10-17-2015 08:43 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(10-17-2015 08:39 PM)bobreinhold1 Wrote:  We were up by 3 against Arkansas one year with 9 seconds to go. I think this was Bill Peterson's year. We had the ball, 4th down on our own 9 yard line. I'm yelling "take a safety" as I was worried we might get a punt blocked. Instead we punted and interfered with the fair catch and McClard kicked a field goal as time expired to tie the game.

That was the Peterson year, 1971.

Was it a free kick FG from the spot of the fair catch? I've heard of that rule and seen a couple games where it was discussed as a possible option, but never seen it attempted.
Probably another reason why taking the safety is often a good tactic.

No, it was not, and at that time I think the free kick after a FC was an NFL rule but not an NCAA rule. It's actually a legacy rule left over from rugby, and for that reason I was surprised to find that the NFL had it but NCAA did not, but it is my recollection that that was the way it was back then.

(10-19-2015 10:41 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(10-19-2015 08:32 AM)owl at the moon Wrote:  Was it a free kick FG from the spot of the fair catch? I've heard of that rule and seen a couple games where it was discussed as a possible option, but never seen it attempted.
Probably another reason why taking the safety is often a good tactic.

No, it was not, and at that time I think the free kick after a FC was an NFL rule but not an NCAA rule. It's actually a legacy rule left over from rugby, and for that reason I was surprised to find that the NFL had it but NCAA did not, but it is my recollection that that was the way it was back then.

Amid a three-page long chronology of "fair catch" rules in his 1994 book, "The Anatomy of a Game: Football, the Rules, and the Men who Made the Game," long-time NCAA rules official David M. Nelson noted that the "free kick after fair catch" option was eliminated in 1951.

I believe this Appendix I list is of college/NCAA rules (but could not be sure, due to the limited online preview). Elsewhere in the book, it's noted that the "free kick after fair catch" was permitted in NFL and high school competitions.

(10-19-2015 11:15 AM)Almadenmike Wrote:  

(10-19-2015 10:41 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(10-19-2015 08:32 AM)owl at the moon Wrote:  Was it a free kick FG from the spot of the fair catch? I've heard of that rule and seen a couple games where it was discussed as a possible option, but never seen it attempted.
Probably another reason why taking the safety is often a good tactic.

No, it was not, and at that time I think the free kick after a FC was an NFL rule but not an NCAA rule. It's actually a legacy rule left over from rugby, and for that reason I was surprised to find that the NFL had it but NCAA did not, but it is my recollection that that was the way it was back then.

Amid a three-page long chronology of "fair catch" rules in his 1994 book, "The Anatomy of a Game: Football, the Rules, and the Men who Made the Game," long-time NCAA rules official David M. Nelson noted that the "free kick after fair catch" option was eliminated in 1951.
I believe this Appendix I list is of college/NCAA rules (but could not be sure, due to the limited online preview). Elsewhere in the book, it's noted that the "free kick after fair catch" was permitted in NFL and high school competitions.

Is there ANYTHING that you can't find on the Internet?

It sounds like to me a coaching mistake to punt from the 47 with 10 seconds to go. If Michigan had ran a play, it would have left State only enough time to run only one play anyway.

(10-17-2015 06:30 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  Michigan just lost in one of the most heartbreaking fashions.

Punter gets a bad snap and decides to try and kick it instead of cutting his losses. Michigan State is able to cause a fumble and recover it and return it for a TD. Michigan loses.

(10-19-2015 03:53 PM)75src Wrote:  It sounds like to me a coaching mistake to punt from the 47 with 10 seconds to go. If Michigan had ran a play, it would have left State only enough time to run only one play anyway.

(10-17-2015 06:30 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  Michigan just lost in one of the most heartbreaking fashions.

Punter gets a bad snap and decides to try and kick it instead of cutting his losses. Michigan State is able to cause a fumble and recover it and return it for a TD. Michigan loses.

Coaching mistake was to not drill into the punters head that if he can't kick it immediately, that he needs to fall on the ball ASAP. But I do see the argument of at least running the ball or doing some other offensive play to try and kill time.

Looks like Bailiff is in charge of the MNF game on both sides.

Shockingly bad special teams and penalties. Horrendous game so far.