(10-14-2015 09:10 PM)HuronRob Wrote:  

(10-14-2015 05:21 PM)2Intense Wrote:  Once again....this is not a bad problem to have....

Our REAL problem remains the same...."DEFENSE"

Bell's and Roback's deficiencies are real and bad problems if not corrected. The good thing is both are still young - redshirt sophomores - so there is still time to correct their glaring deficiencies.

Oh yeah, the defense is a HUGE problem but they also have "moments" where they look pretty darn good. We need a decent scheme that will give them a chance to be consistently good or better.

Seriously?

The offense is far from perfect but the defense and their "moments" are few and far between....the vast majority of the offensive mistakes have occurred while trying to make up ground that the defense has squandered.

This mediocre offense could have won several games by now had the defense showed up to play.

(10-14-2015 09:25 PM)2Intense Wrote:  

(10-14-2015 09:10 PM)HuronRob Wrote:  

(10-14-2015 05:21 PM)2Intense Wrote:  Once again....this is not a bad problem to have....

Our REAL problem remains the same...."DEFENSE"

Bell's and Roback's deficiencies are real and bad problems if not corrected. The good thing is both are still young - redshirt sophomores - so there is still time to correct their glaring deficiencies.

Oh yeah, the defense is a HUGE problem but they also have "moments" where they look pretty darn good. We need a decent scheme that will give them a chance to be consistently good or better.

Seriously?

The offense is far from perfect but the defense and their "moments" are few and far between....the vast majority of the offensive mistakes have occurred while trying to make up ground that the defense has squandered.

This mediocre offense could have won several games by now had the defense showed up to play.

Right... Like Bell and Roback's issues aren't "bad problems to have". If that asinine statement can be made I can certainly point out that the defense has played well on occasion - like in the LSU game.




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(10-15-2015 08:00 AM)HuronRob Wrote:  

(10-14-2015 09:25 PM)2Intense Wrote:  

(10-14-2015 09:10 PM)HuronRob Wrote:  

(10-14-2015 05:21 PM)2Intense Wrote:  Once again....this is not a bad problem to have....

Our REAL problem remains the same...."DEFENSE"

Bell's and Roback's deficiencies are real and bad problems if not corrected. The good thing is both are still young - redshirt sophomores - so there is still time to correct their glaring deficiencies.

Oh yeah, the defense is a HUGE problem but they also have "moments" where they look pretty darn good. We need a decent scheme that will give them a chance to be consistently good or better.

Seriously?

The offense is far from perfect but the defense and their "moments" are few and far between....the vast majority of the offensive mistakes have occurred while trying to make up ground that the defense has squandered.

This mediocre offense could have won several games by now had the defense showed up to play.

Right... Like Bell and Roback's issues aren't "bad problems to have". If that asinine statement can be made I can certainly point out that the defense has played well on occasion - like in the LSU game.




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Not questioning the need for improvement on offense...simple fact is if there was a defense there would be more "W's" right now.

I agree but to insinuate that the problems Bell and Roback bring to the table aren't bad problems is sheer lunacy. Had Roback played better there would be more Ws right now.


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(10-15-2015 10:02 AM)HuronRob Wrote:  I agree but to insinuate that the problems Bell and Roback bring to the table aren't bad problems is sheer lunacy. Had Roback played better there would be more Ws right now.


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Yeah, I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree and let the scoreboard continue to paint the picture.

(10-15-2015 10:02 AM)HuronRob Wrote:  I agree but to insinuate that the problems Bell and Roback bring to the table aren't bad problems is sheer lunacy. Had Roback played better there would be more Ws right now.


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EMU's run defense is ranked 127 (last) in FBS. Idaho is ranked 126 but is 100 yards per game better than EMU. Until this catastrophic problem is fixed EMU will not win anything. All discussions about quarterbacks, offense, or anything else can take a backseat. EMU could have Tom friggin Brady as QB and still only have one win

(10-15-2015 05:00 PM)TheWoodenNickle Wrote:  

(10-15-2015 10:02 AM)HuronRob Wrote:  I agree but to insinuate that the problems Bell and Roback bring to the table aren't bad problems is sheer lunacy. Had Roback played better there would be more Ws right now.


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EMU's run defense is ranked 127 (last) in FBS. Idaho is ranked 126 but is 100 yards per game better than EMU. Until this catastrophic problem is fixed EMU will not win anything. All discussions about quarterbacks, offense, or anything else can take a backseat. EMU could have Tom friggin Brady as QB and still only have one win

yup.

I don't disagree that the offense has made some mistakes and at times Roback specifically has made bad decisions, but I've been around EMU football for a long time, and I haven't seen a quarterback with this much promise except maybe Andy Schmitt, and Roback is a better athlete. Roback's decisions outside of the pocket (throwing off balance, throwing into double/triple coverage), are frustrating, but most important they are correctable. His arm strength, ability to make second, third, fourth reads is impressive. Look at the Akron game, he completed passes to 8 different receivers, I guarantee each of those guys weren't the first option on many of those plays. On the contrary, many of them were a result of Roback working through his progressions. Roback, Vann, Banham, Daughtery, Tuttle, Browning etc... There is a bright future for this offense if they are allowed to develop properly. Don't forget Breck Turner is redshirting, he is one of the most promising young running backs to enroll at EMU in a long time. For a long time my hope for EMU football was based on the chance that they got lucky, now they are building something, especially on offense, watch Cole Gardner, the kid is doing a great job at left tackle, he's back next year. The offensive line has been good this year. I'm excited for next season, that is as long as the defense can improve. If not I see another dismal season, except EMU will be losing 56 to 48 rather than 56 to 28. As far as Bell, they can name him the starter again if they chose, but I guarantee he doesn't make it more than 3 games in a season without a serious injury, he isn't built to take the hits a division 1 quarterback takes.

I think you can fully expect Bell to start on Saturday and agree he is not built to take the hits.

(10-15-2015 05:22 PM)emdypo Wrote:  I don't disagree that the offense has made some mistakes and at times Roback specifically has made bad decisions, but I've been around EMU football for a long time, and I haven't seen a quarterback with this much promise except maybe Andy Schmitt, and Roback is a better athlete. Roback's decisions outside of the pocket (throwing off balance, throwing into double/triple coverage), are frustrating, but most important they are correctable. His arm strength, ability to make second, third, fourth reads is impressive. Look at the Akron game, he completed passes to 8 different receivers, I guarantee each of those guys weren't the first option on many of those plays. On the contrary, many of them were a result of Roback working through his progressions. Roback, Vann, Banham, Daughtery, Tuttle, Browning etc... There is a bright future for this offense if they are allowed to develop properly. Don't forget Breck Turner is redshirting, he is one of the most promising young running backs to enroll at EMU in a long time. For a long time my hope for EMU football was based on the chance that they got lucky, now they are building something, especially on offense, watch Cole Gardner, the kid is doing a great job at left tackle, he's back next year. The offensive line has been good this year. I'm excited for next season, that is as long as the defense can improve. If not I see another dismal season, except EMU will be losing 56 to 48 rather than 56 to 28. As far as Bell, they can name him the starter again if they chose, but I guarantee he doesn't make it more than 3 games in a season without a serious injury, he isn't built to take the hits a division 1 quarterback takes.

I've been around EMU football for a little too...32 years. Roback is not the sole problem with this team but it is obvious he either can't be taught or isn't listening to his position coach because if his position coach is teaching this then he needs to be fired. I've seen really good QBs at EMU (Adams and Batch) and I've seen really bad QBs at EMU (too many to mention) and I have yet to conclude where Bell or Roback fall in that spectrum. The fact of the matter is this, there is more than enough blame to go around to explain the poor results of this season.


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(10-15-2015 07:18 PM)2Intense Wrote:  I think you can fully expect Bell to start on Saturday and agree he is not built to take the hits.

From my source you are right, Bell is going to start on Saturday !!!!
I fell bad for Roback if he gets in and we are down 2 or 3 scores, all 20,000 fans know we are going to throw the ball !!! Our offense is 45th in NCAA why are we messing with are offense???

I think Bell will see limited action and his start is a "decoy" for Toledo or hm a curve ball. Roback I think will see the majority of time. That's just my opinion.

Having not seen Bell much at this point, can he at least complete the screens, bubble screens, shorter TE routes, etc with accuracy?

Would be very disappointing if they just telegraph the run when Bell is in, and the pass when Roback is in. The zone read could be an additional huge weapon, but Bell has to learn to get down and avoid big hits, or there's no way he finishes the season. (as everyone has mentioned and knows full well)

Yeah, I'm not buying this quarterback depth chart for a minute.

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