(10-15-2015 05:09 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(10-15-2015 04:32 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(10-15-2015 02:34 PM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  

(10-15-2015 12:52 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(10-15-2015 10:20 AM)NDSUguy Wrote:  I won't pretend to know the first thing about the AAU status... but is it possible that Pres is a little more connected with the reality of the academic landscape nationally than posters on a message board?

If it was not in the realm of possibility why would he put that in his state of the university address? It's not like he's running for political office. He already holds the position and has nothing to gain from throwing out a plan that has no feasibility.

North Dakota is an economic boom since they are growing, and more money pooring in. Wisconsin and Michigan along with Illinois and Indiana have been losing population and jobs. Same with Ohio. Just follow the money around. If Michigan, Ohio, Wisconsin, Indiana, Illinois and Penn keep losing population and jobs? There will be less money going into the research. The money would be going to the states and schools that are growing. The state of North Dakota and with the town of Fargo growing at a fast rate shows that is where the trend is at.

The ND boom has come crashing down along with oil prices. The frac jobs are leaving.

North Dakota has many irons in the fire besides oil. They have been several multi-billion projects in planning to convert nat gas to ammonium fertilizers and ethane to polyethylene. Just like Alberta, which now has a pretty substantial petrochemical industry, so will the Bakken. Ethane and propane are chemical building blocks, and their development hasn't started yet. The state is drowning in methane and ethane and there are water resources to take advantage of them.

Grand Forks and UND have the first UAS / drone airport, so companies are flocking there literally ro develop this new industry. Fargo is big into software (Microsoft second biggest site), agricultural equipment, and GPS companies, including drones, for Ag. The eastern side in more high tech than one might think, as even biotech has taken wing there. Forbes just had a big writeup why ND will still be prosperous, even if drilling stops.

Putting aside the notion that Illinois, Wisconsin and other Midwestern states are losing population and jobs (which they aren't, although you can say that they are not growing as fast as other regions), I've read some interesting theories about how the economies of Minnesota and North Dakota play off of each other. Essentially, Minnesota (particularly the Twin Cities and the area surrounding the Mayo Clinic) is drawing in the high end jobs (generally requiring more education) very well. The Minneapolis/St. Paul economy and educational levels look much more like Seattle and Denver than it does compared to the rest of the Midwest. Meanwhile, the Minnesota natives that don't have the same education levels are able to procure better jobs than their equivalents in Illinois/Wisconsin/Michigan/etc. by moving next door to North Dakota (mainly the oil industry jobs that pay well even if you don't have a college degree). Those workers that might have been stuck with minimum wage jobs in most of the rest of the country were able to get solidly middle class jobs with a lot of benefits in North Dakota fairly easily for several years.

As a result, Minnesota was able to ship off a large number of its non-college-educated residents off to solid-paying jobs in North Dakota, which simultaneously (a) reduces the social services load of the state (as those same types of people are often jobless and/or toiling in poverty in other urban areas) and (b) can even increase the tax revenue of the state since those workers often keep their Minnesota residency. Now, North Dakota had been drawing in large numbers of people from across the country with the fracking boom (which is going in the other direction now), but Minnesota was the biggest source of transfers into North Dakota due to proximity. It's an interesting (and almost entirely unintended via Adam Smith's Law of the Invisible Hand) way that neighboring states were essentially able to sort their workforces to play to their respective strengths and maximize their incomes. We'll see how much longer that lasts with how the oil boom has subsided.

Minnesota has had good economic growth during the lastt five years, as much of the infrastructure that ND was building comes via Minnesota companies. Also, a lot of professional jobs and even transportation service jobs were created by those same demands. Even for things like destination shopping, business banking, and law services relied alot on the Twin Cities. But don't underestimate the college educated youngsters who have moved to to ND, which used to be nearly the oldest resident, but now is one of the youngest, weathiest, and most educated states. It's not all rednecks that got jobs here. Most of ND's history it exported educated young people. For the first time it's magnet for those people.

Cities like Denver, Tulsa, OKC, and of course, Houston greatly benefitted too, because those are HQ s of most the Bakken oil and midstream companies.

(10-15-2015 04:50 PM)BisonCardinal Wrote:  

(10-15-2015 04:20 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(10-15-2015 04:13 PM)BisonCardinal Wrote:  

(10-15-2015 02:34 PM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  

(10-15-2015 12:52 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  North Dakota is an economic boom since they are growing, and more money pooring in. Wisconsin and Michigan along with Illinois and Indiana have been losing population and jobs. Same with Ohio. Just follow the money around. If Michigan, Ohio, Wisconsin, Indiana, Illinois and Penn keep losing population and jobs? There will be less money going into the research. The money would be going to the states and schools that are growing. The state of North Dakota and with the town of Fargo growing at a fast rate shows that is where the trend is at.

The ND boom has come crashing down along with oil prices. The frac jobs are leaving.

And you know this how? I work in the patch and just got a raise last month. If you knew what you were talking about, you might have said drilling jobs are down. Still plenty of drilled wells that need to be fracked. The oil and revenue will continue to flow.

Is it like that new show TV show Blood and Oil?

Lol, I don't know. I'm recording the series but have yet to see a single episode. Too much fall work and Bison football to watch. The mountains in the intro are a little suspect.

My thought on that too - I checked - filmed in Utah

Not sure but I imagine it would benefit the BIG to go after GaTech and FSU if the had AAU status based on population trends and tv markets.

http://news.temple.edu/news/2014-09-15/s...ion-temple

(10-15-2015 06:07 PM)FloridaState1990 Wrote:  Not sure but I imagine it would benefit the BIG to go after GaTech and FSU if the had AAU status based on population trends and tv markets.

Delany would first want UVA and UNC to make it continous states for the CIC.

Alternatively, add Mizzou, Vandy, and then GaTech and FSU.

(10-15-2015 09:06 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(10-15-2015 06:07 PM)FloridaState1990 Wrote:  Not sure but I imagine it would benefit the BIG to go after GaTech and FSU if the had AAU status based on population trends and tv markets.

Delany would first want UVA and UNC to make it continous states for the CIC.

Alternatively, add Mizzou, Vandy, and then GaTech and FSU.

And UVA & UNC are core ACC schools, to the core, and want to stay with each other (and the other core schools) and maintain their ACC. They're not going to join the B1G, unless the B1G swallows the entire core.

Likewise, Vandy and now Mizzou aren't going to leave the SEC for the B1G.


So the dream of reaching down to GT is essentially broken.

FSU has decent research, for not having a med school and not even being a land-grant (no agriculture), but it's not really high enough to get consideration by the B1G, even with AAU status.

(10-15-2015 08:35 PM)JHG722 Wrote:  http://news.temple.edu/news/2014-09-15/s...ion-temple

Temple also does decent research, mostly from its medical school.

But it must be tough for them to grow significantly when UPenn is right there.

(10-16-2015 09:45 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(10-15-2015 08:35 PM)JHG722 Wrote:  http://news.temple.edu/news/2014-09-15/s...ion-temple

Temple also does decent research, mostly from its medical school.

But it must be tough for them to grow significantly when UPenn is right there.

...and Drexel. With Villanova just down the road. And satellite PSU campuses sprinkled outside of the city. And a satellite Rutgers campus across the river.

Temple's doing it, though. The others' issues give them opportunity to, quite honestly.

(10-14-2015 04:39 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(10-14-2015 04:28 PM)NoDak Wrote:  So which schools are most likely to be accepted into AAU, and what would be the result in conference affiliation?

UConn - Big Ten ?
Va Commonwealth - AAC?, Big East
Cincinnati - B12?
NCSt - SEC?
Va Tech - SEC?
Florida St - B12?
Houston - B12?
Colo St - B12?

Schools like Georgia, Tennessee, Oregon St and Utah would obviously not impact their conference affiliation. Texas Tech might get more options if the B12 ever was torn apart.

Anybody has a list of favorites for next member?

Georgia Tech and Boston U have been the only two members accepted in the last ten years.

We are probably the highest rated G5 school, as posted in another link.
http://mup.asu.edu/Top-American-Research...-02-13.pdf

There are a lot of non-G5 schools ahead of you. Dartmouth, for instance. Cincinnati was #13 of the non-members (4 of those ahead were specialty schools like UC-San Francisco and would not be admitted).

According to the report when Nebraska got kicked out, UAB was the top ranked G5 school. Although that was probably overwhelmingly due to their medical school. Not sure how much that applies to Cincinnati as well. They were the #2 G5 school. Colorado St. was close behind. The only other G5 schools ranked ahead of the bottom remaining AAU school (ranked #94) were New Mexico, Hawaii, UConn, USF and UMass. New Mexico St., Houston, Utah St. and Nevada were also ranked ahead of Nebraska.

(10-16-2015 11:49 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(10-14-2015 04:39 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(10-14-2015 04:28 PM)NoDak Wrote:  So which schools are most likely to be accepted into AAU, and what would be the result in conference affiliation?

UConn - Big Ten ?
Va Commonwealth - AAC?, Big East
Cincinnati - B12?
NCSt - SEC?
Va Tech - SEC?
Florida St - B12?
Houston - B12?
Colo St - B12?

Schools like Georgia, Tennessee, Oregon St and Utah would obviously not impact their conference affiliation. Texas Tech might get more options if the B12 ever was torn apart.

Anybody has a list of favorites for next member?

Georgia Tech and Boston U have been the only two members accepted in the last ten years.

We are probably the highest rated G5 school, as posted in another link.
http://mup.asu.edu/Top-American-Research...-02-13.pdf

There are a lot of non-G5 schools ahead of you. Dartmouth, for instance. Cincinnati was #13 of the non-members (4 of those ahead were specialty schools like UC-San Francisco and would not be admitted).

According to the report when Nebraska got kicked out, UAB was the top ranked G5 school. Although that was probably overwhelmingly due to their medical school. Not sure how much that applies to Cincinnati as well. They were the #2 G5 school. Colorado St. was close behind. The only other G5 schools ranked ahead of the bottom remaining AAU school (ranked #94) were New Mexico, Hawaii, UConn, USF and UMass. New Mexico St., Houston, Utah St. and Nevada were also ranked ahead of Nebraska.

South Florida is #1, UAB is #2 and Cincy is #3, using the FY13 NSF data.They're all right next to each other, so they're all basically tied for #1.

All rely heavily on Life Sciences research (ie, Med school research).


The next closest is Buffalo, a few down, and then a few more down are Hawaii and Colorado St.

Houston IMHO. AAU makes them a even more a viable candidate for (PAC, ACC, B1G IMHO left the B12 since UH is already in play there) without the warts, for the PAC/ACC more than the B1G. B1G likes huge R&D funds Houston does a little over 100 mil in R&D with no medical school at the present which is about to change, come 2017, B1G'ers do 3 to 5 times that, and Houston is not a Morrill Act Land Grant University.

(10-16-2015 12:48 PM)BIgCatonProwl Wrote:  Houston makes them a even more a viable candidate for (PAC, ACC, B1G IMHO left the B12 since UH is already in play there) without the warts, for the PAC/ACC more than the B1G. B1G likes huge R&D funds Houston does a little over 100 mil and no medical school with R&D at the present which is about to change, come 2017, B1G'ers do 3 to 5 times that, and Houston is not a Morrill Act Land Grant University.

And PAC doesn't need the Central timezone.

And ACC doesn't need the Central timezone.

(10-16-2015 01:26 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  And PAC doesn't need the Central timezone.

Their network does.

They're invisible in this area unless you're paying for the top tier packages.

What happened at Temple between 2012 and 2013 that increased their federal research from $138 million to $224 million?

(10-16-2015 01:47 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  

(10-16-2015 01:26 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  And PAC doesn't need the Central timezone.

Their network does.

They're invisible in this area unless you're paying for the top tier packages.

It doesn't.

No more than the Russian national sports network needs the Central timezone. Or the Chinese. Or the Brazilian. Etc.

PAC is for Pacific and Mountain. Central and Eastern people don't care about PAC teams, unless they have a personal connection to one of the schools or their team happens to play a PAC team.

That's just fine. Nothing wrong with maintaining some regionalism.

(10-16-2015 02:13 PM)Minutemen429 Wrote:  What happened at Temple between 2012 and 2013 that increased their federal research from $138 million to $224 million?

Good question!

They went up $40million in Federal sources and then a matching $40million in institutional funds (the school spending its own money on its own research).


Maybe they weren't counting the Medical School research? But there isn't a separate listing for Temple Medical School in the FY2012 rankings.

(10-14-2015 05:00 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  AAU doesn't guarantee a P5 spot ask Tulane, Rice, and Buffalo.

Boise would probably get a spot in the PAC-12 so would BYU.

Cincy would be in the Big Ten probably. I know that sounds crazy but I don't think the Big Ten would let a AAU school go in the heart of the conference to the ACC but who knows they let Pitt go and they are really similar to Big Ten schools.

UMass might get more looks. Hell even E Carolina would probably be in the ACC or SEC if it was AAU but we "aint" close to that status.

Considering that Boise State isn't even the primary research school in Idaho, I don't see the AAU happening.

BYU has money but they don't have the research output.

(10-16-2015 11:38 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  

(10-16-2015 09:45 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(10-15-2015 08:35 PM)JHG722 Wrote:  http://news.temple.edu/news/2014-09-15/s...ion-temple

Temple also does decent research, mostly from its medical school.

But it must be tough for them to grow significantly when UPenn is right there.

...and Drexel. With Villanova just down the road. And satellite PSU campuses sprinkled outside of the city. And a satellite Rutgers campus across the river.

Temple's doing it, though. The others' issues give them opportunity to, quite honestly.

I don't think Nova does much research. We're obviously doing something right: http://news.temple.edu/news/2014-07-22/t...uman-cells

(10-16-2015 02:13 PM)Minutemen429 Wrote:  What happened at Temple between 2012 and 2013 that increased their federal research from $138 million to $224 million?

Temple bought Fox Chase Cancer Center in 2012.

(10-16-2015 03:23 PM)JHG722 Wrote:  

(10-16-2015 11:38 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  

(10-16-2015 09:45 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(10-15-2015 08:35 PM)JHG722 Wrote:  http://news.temple.edu/news/2014-09-15/s...ion-temple

Temple also does decent research, mostly from its medical school.

But it must be tough for them to grow significantly when UPenn is right there.

...and Drexel. With Villanova just down the road. And satellite PSU campuses sprinkled outside of the city. And a satellite Rutgers campus across the river.

Temple's doing it, though. The others' issues give them opportunity to, quite honestly.

I don't think Nova does much research. We're obviously doing something right: http://news.temple.edu/news/2014-07-22/t...uman-cells

Nova does very little research. Neither do St. Joseph's or La Salle. Rutgers-Camden does even less. The PSU branches do essentially none.

Penn, Temple, Drexel, and Thomas Jefferson are the major research universities in Philly...in that order. Penn is way out in front. The Wistar Institute is also in Philly (essentially on Penn's campus but is separate). BTW, Fox Chase would have been right behind Jeff.

Having other good research universities in close proximity don't hamper any school from growing its research...in fact, it should help.

Oh, and the answer to the original question of the thread is none. It is completely meaningless to athletics affiliation.