In other threads, I've seen people refering to Sagarin and RPI ratings to make a point, and then others blasting each use for the rating's defenciencies. So, I'm wondering if there's any interest in fans of different schools coming together to developing a published open-source formula (i.e., the Fans Rating). It could be an ongoing process to adjust and tweak... might be interesting, so I'm wondering if there are enough stat geeks out there with an interest in doing this?

(10-19-2015 02:02 PM)CoachMaclid Wrote:  In other threads, I've seen people refering to Sagarin and RPI ratings to make a point, and then others blasting each use for the rating's defenciencies. So, I'm wondering if there's any interest in fans of different schools coming together to developing a published open-source formula (i.e., the Fans Rating). It could be an ongoing process to adjust and tweak... might be interesting, so I'm wondering if there are enough stat geeks out there with an interest in doing this?

We have Rice. No shortage of geeks here.

I would be interested to see it.

I would be. Do you know where I can download stats for this season in some sort of .txt or spreadsheet format?

I look at the Massey composite rankings which averages all of them together.

http://www.masseyratings.com/cf/compare.htm

Rating services are flawed big time. Any time you have a FCS school rate higher than a FBS school something is amiss. Even though the AAC has some of the highest rated teams this year, I am still not buying what they say.

A few years ago I would have joined you but not today...

back in the early 2000s I I did my own RPI, when there were only 2 or 3 sites. I use to also run the number weighted for home wins/losses and road wins/losses. It took the NCAA about 6 or 7 years to catch up. I didn't publish it anywhere but Hilltopper Haven.

I could also remove a game and replace it with any team for a win....1 extra win by each of us has the ability to move each school 15-25 spots in the RPI. Because each win and loss is compounded over the course of each of our schedules for the SOS (75% OF YOUR RPI)

That was a lot of work...that I don't have time for now

Fish, unfortunately I've only found two sites that used to offer a download, but they now both reference the link below, which charges for the service. They do have the complete 2005 season file for download. I'm not finding any publicly available current statistics to download.


http://coachesbythenumbers.com/sportsour...-packages/

(10-19-2015 04:09 PM)MUther Wrote:  

(10-19-2015 02:02 PM)CoachMaclid Wrote:  In other threads, I've seen people refering to Sagarin and RPI ratings to make a point, and then others blasting each use for the rating's defenciencies. So, I'm wondering if there's any interest in fans of different schools coming together to developing a published open-source formula (i.e., the Fans Rating). It could be an ongoing process to adjust and tweak... might be interesting, so I'm wondering if there are enough stat geeks out there with an interest in doing this?

We have Rice. No shortage of geeks here.

Here's one of our fans' rankings that IS included in the Massey Composite. I don't know the exact methodology used but I've found it to track MUCH more closely with my perceptions than Sagarin or RPI or a lot of the mainstream publications. Massey's ranking system (not the Composite) is also a good view.

Notice that we failed to include any Rice Owls bias in this one :/
I'm just glad we're back into the top 100.

http://russellvhenderson.com

(10-18-2015 03:19 PM)WRCisforgotten79 Wrote:  C-USA

West

71. Louisiana Tech (4-3)
82. Southern Miss (4-3)
94. RICE (3-3)
113. UTSA (1-6)
123. UTEP (2-4)
128. North Texas (0-6)

East

33. Western Kentucky (6-1)
53. Marshall (6-1)
83. Middle Tennessee (3-4)
98. Old Dominion (3-3)
104. Florida Int'l (3-4)
115. Charlotte (2-4)
117. Florida Atlantic (1-5)

Others:

3. Baylor (3-0)
60. Texas (2-4)
100. Army (2-5)

Note that while he had CUSA as the #2 G5 last year, he's got us #4 as a conference this year. Again, sounds about right.

(10-19-2015 02:02 PM)CoachMaclid Wrote:  In other threads, I've seen people refering to Sagarin and RPI ratings to make a point, and then others blasting each use for the rating's defenciencies. So, I'm wondering if there's any interest in fans of different schools coming together to developing a published open-source formula (i.e., the Fans Rating). It could be an ongoing process to adjust and tweak... might be interesting, so I'm wondering if there are enough stat geeks out there with an interest in doing this?

I do think there are enough "good" rating systems out there now.
Sagarin was the groundbreaker, he thought there should be a formula-based ranking/rating and he came up with one. For years it was the only one to rank outside the top 25, so pretty handy if you were not in that top echelon. It became the de facto standard when USA Today starting publishing it.

What I'D really like to see (you mentioned open source) is to have a ranking (eventually to be used in place of the bowl committee) which does two things all the current rankings, polls, and committees do not:
1. Have a well-understood deterministic formula that can be game-planned for: who controls their own destiny, what do we need to do to jump up into a playoff or access spot, etc.
2. Update in true real time. Example: the #4 team just lost to #12, the #5 team is playing right now, what do they have to do to jump into spot #4? Lose by no less than a TD? Win convincingly, etc...

I've had some ideas on this in the past but none of them come close to the "better than Sagarin" standard IMO