(10-13-2015 07:43 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(10-13-2015 07:24 PM)AntiG Wrote:  

(10-13-2015 03:51 PM)JoeP Wrote:  

Quote: but "delivering a market" has nothing to do with it. Just as "delivering NYC" had nothing to do with Rutgers' entry to the BiG, IMO. Delivering cable boxes does, IMO - at least until the current model shifts.

Wait, you're saying that markets don't matter..?

Yes delivering markets matter. Rutgers doesn't deliver NYC, but it's a large state school and the main player for NJ.

Actually, Rutgers DOES deliver NYC.

Its not about whether they can have the biggest fanbase in the city, but whether they can get the BTN full cable/satellite carriage throughout the NYC and NJ DMAs, which was exactly what was delivered.

No team will ever fully deliver NYC because its simply not a college football town, but the combination of Rutgers, Penn State, Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State + BTN full coverage delivers as much of NYC as you can realistically ask for. Notre Dame and Texas are really the only other schools that has any pull in NYC in terms of college football. No one cares about UConn or Syracuse football (but everyone does follow the basketball of those schools hence why alongside St. John's the old Big East WAS the premier college sports brand in NYC the past few decades), although if Buffalo/Stonybrook ever make it into a power conference, they could potentially do something real in NYC due to the sheer number of alumni).

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/...h2gnyukEZZ
"Rutgers appears to be most popular in New York City market"... and this was before the B1G.

Quote:The Rutgers-Louisville game on ESPN2 had more than twice the viewers in New York City than the Syracuse-West Virginia game on ESPN. Both started at 8 on Friday night. Rutgers-Louisville drew a 1.45 share in New York City compared to 0.7 for West Virginia-Syracuse, according to the Nielsen ratings.

Rutgers has been involved in all five of the all-time top-rated football games in New York City on ESPN2 and been part of four of the five all-time highest-rated football games in the New York City area on ESPN.

A New York Times study of the 210 television markets found New York has about 3 million college football fans, and 20.9% of those chose Rutgers as their favorite team. That's almost equal to those naming Notre Dame (9.2%), Penn State (6.4) and Connecticut (5.2) combined.

I guess some people care.

Well yes, that article was from 2011 after UConn had just won the BE title and played the Fiesta Bowl, prior to everyone bailing on the old Big East... you know as much as I do here, the passion is pretty much extinguished in this area due to the years of being terrible for both UConn and Syracuse. That's why I said no one cares.

(10-13-2015 08:58 PM)AntiG Wrote:  

(10-13-2015 07:43 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(10-13-2015 07:24 PM)AntiG Wrote:  

(10-13-2015 03:51 PM)JoeP Wrote:  

Quote: but "delivering a market" has nothing to do with it. Just as "delivering NYC" had nothing to do with Rutgers' entry to the BiG, IMO. Delivering cable boxes does, IMO - at least until the current model shifts.

Wait, you're saying that markets don't matter..?

Yes delivering markets matter. Rutgers doesn't deliver NYC, but it's a large state school and the main player for NJ.

Actually, Rutgers DOES deliver NYC.

Its not about whether they can have the biggest fanbase in the city, but whether they can get the BTN full cable/satellite carriage throughout the NYC and NJ DMAs, which was exactly what was delivered.

No team will ever fully deliver NYC because its simply not a college football town, but the combination of Rutgers, Penn State, Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State + BTN full coverage delivers as much of NYC as you can realistically ask for. Notre Dame and Texas are really the only other schools that has any pull in NYC in terms of college football. No one cares about UConn or Syracuse football (but everyone does follow the basketball of those schools hence why alongside St. John's the old Big East WAS the premier college sports brand in NYC the past few decades), although if Buffalo/Stonybrook ever make it into a power conference, they could potentially do something real in NYC due to the sheer number of alumni).

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/...h2gnyukEZZ
"Rutgers appears to be most popular in New York City market"... and this was before the B1G.

Quote:The Rutgers-Louisville game on ESPN2 had more than twice the viewers in New York City than the Syracuse-West Virginia game on ESPN. Both started at 8 on Friday night. Rutgers-Louisville drew a 1.45 share in New York City compared to 0.7 for West Virginia-Syracuse, according to the Nielsen ratings.

Rutgers has been involved in all five of the all-time top-rated football games in New York City on ESPN2 and been part of four of the five all-time highest-rated football games in the New York City area on ESPN.

A New York Times study of the 210 television markets found New York has about 3 million college football fans, and 20.9% of those chose Rutgers as their favorite team. That's almost equal to those naming Notre Dame (9.2%), Penn State (6.4) and Connecticut (5.2) combined.

I guess some people care.

Well yes, that article was from 2011 after UConn had just won the BE title and played the Fiesta Bowl, prior to everyone bailing on the old Big East... you know as much as I do here, the passion is pretty much extinguished in this area due to the years of being terrible for both UConn and Syracuse. That's why I said no one cares.

If you have current numbers then please use that data. If you don't have any, then you have no way of proving your "no one cares anymore" theory.

(10-13-2015 09:05 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(10-13-2015 08:58 PM)AntiG Wrote:  

(10-13-2015 07:43 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(10-13-2015 07:24 PM)AntiG Wrote:  

(10-13-2015 03:51 PM)JoeP Wrote:  Wait, you're saying that markets don't matter..?

Yes delivering markets matter. Rutgers doesn't deliver NYC, but it's a large state school and the main player for NJ.

Actually, Rutgers DOES deliver NYC.

Its not about whether they can have the biggest fanbase in the city, but whether they can get the BTN full cable/satellite carriage throughout the NYC and NJ DMAs, which was exactly what was delivered.

No team will ever fully deliver NYC because its simply not a college football town, but the combination of Rutgers, Penn State, Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State + BTN full coverage delivers as much of NYC as you can realistically ask for. Notre Dame and Texas are really the only other schools that has any pull in NYC in terms of college football. No one cares about UConn or Syracuse football (but everyone does follow the basketball of those schools hence why alongside St. John's the old Big East WAS the premier college sports brand in NYC the past few decades), although if Buffalo/Stonybrook ever make it into a power conference, they could potentially do something real in NYC due to the sheer number of alumni).

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/...h2gnyukEZZ
"Rutgers appears to be most popular in New York City market"... and this was before the B1G.

Quote:The Rutgers-Louisville game on ESPN2 had more than twice the viewers in New York City than the Syracuse-West Virginia game on ESPN. Both started at 8 on Friday night. Rutgers-Louisville drew a 1.45 share in New York City compared to 0.7 for West Virginia-Syracuse, according to the Nielsen ratings.

Rutgers has been involved in all five of the all-time top-rated football games in New York City on ESPN2 and been part of four of the five all-time highest-rated football games in the New York City area on ESPN.

A New York Times study of the 210 television markets found New York has about 3 million college football fans, and 20.9% of those chose Rutgers as their favorite team. That's almost equal to those naming Notre Dame (9.2%), Penn State (6.4) and Connecticut (5.2) combined.

I guess some people care.

Well yes, that article was from 2011 after UConn had just won the BE title and played the Fiesta Bowl, prior to everyone bailing on the old Big East... you know as much as I do here, the passion is pretty much extinguished in this area due to the years of being terrible for both UConn and Syracuse. That's why I said no one cares.

If you have current numbers then please use that data. If you don't have any, then you have no way of proving your "no one cares anymore" theory.

Well the numbers aren't there because there isn't currently an article nor is there a dedicated group to poll college football fans on how many care about UConn football. Its not necessary anyway, you simply just need to live here and you know. No one cares about UConn football in NYC nowadays. A few did when they were good for a couple of years, and now that they have been awful for several years, they've gone into hiding. Its no slight against yourself as a fan/alumn nor the UConn athletics department, who deserve plenty of credit for what they've accomplished for decades, but that's how it is.

(10-13-2015 09:09 PM)AntiG Wrote:  

(10-13-2015 09:05 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(10-13-2015 08:58 PM)AntiG Wrote:  

(10-13-2015 07:43 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(10-13-2015 07:24 PM)AntiG Wrote:  Actually, Rutgers DOES deliver NYC.

Its not about whether they can have the biggest fanbase in the city, but whether they can get the BTN full cable/satellite carriage throughout the NYC and NJ DMAs, which was exactly what was delivered.

No team will ever fully deliver NYC because its simply not a college football town, but the combination of Rutgers, Penn State, Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State + BTN full coverage delivers as much of NYC as you can realistically ask for. Notre Dame and Texas are really the only other schools that has any pull in NYC in terms of college football. No one cares about UConn or Syracuse football (but everyone does follow the basketball of those schools hence why alongside St. John's the old Big East WAS the premier college sports brand in NYC the past few decades), although if Buffalo/Stonybrook ever make it into a power conference, they could potentially do something real in NYC due to the sheer number of alumni).

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/...h2gnyukEZZ
"Rutgers appears to be most popular in New York City market"... and this was before the B1G.

I guess some people care.

Well yes, that article was from 2011 after UConn had just won the BE title and played the Fiesta Bowl, prior to everyone bailing on the old Big East... you know as much as I do here, the passion is pretty much extinguished in this area due to the years of being terrible for both UConn and Syracuse. That's why I said no one cares.

If you have current numbers then please use that data. If you don't have any, then you have no way of proving your "no one cares anymore" theory.

Well the numbers aren't there because there isn't currently an article nor is there a dedicated group to poll college football fans on how many care about UConn football. Its not necessary anyway, you simply just need to live here and you know. No one cares about UConn football in NYC nowadays. A few did when they were good for a couple of years, and now that they have been awful for several years, they've gone into hiding. Its no slight against yourself as a fan/alumn nor the UConn athletics department, who deserve plenty of credit for what they've accomplished for decades, but that's how it is.

I have a pied-a-terre on the Upper East Side. Out of all my time spent in NYC, I have maybe seen a few Rutgers fans. Just because you don't see them, it doesn't mean they don't exist.

(10-14-2015 07:31 AM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(10-13-2015 09:09 PM)AntiG Wrote:  

(10-13-2015 09:05 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(10-13-2015 08:58 PM)AntiG Wrote:  

(10-13-2015 07:43 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  I guess some people care.

Well yes, that article was from 2011 after UConn had just won the BE title and played the Fiesta Bowl, prior to everyone bailing on the old Big East... you know as much as I do here, the passion is pretty much extinguished in this area due to the years of being terrible for both UConn and Syracuse. That's why I said no one cares.

If you have current numbers then please use that data. If you don't have any, then you have no way of proving your "no one cares anymore" theory.

Well the numbers aren't there because there isn't currently an article nor is there a dedicated group to poll college football fans on how many care about UConn football. Its not necessary anyway, you simply just need to live here and you know. No one cares about UConn football in NYC nowadays. A few did when they were good for a couple of years, and now that they have been awful for several years, they've gone into hiding. Its no slight against yourself as a fan/alumn nor the UConn athletics department, who deserve plenty of credit for what they've accomplished for decades, but that's how it is.

I have a pied-a-terre on the Upper East Side. Out of all my time spent in NYC, I have maybe seen a few Rutgers fans. Just because you don't see them, it doesn't mean they don't exist.

No one in NYC cares about UConn football... No one in NYC cares about Rutgers football (or Rutgers anything).. that was the problem.. the Big 10 didn't realize no one gives two shakes about the local football teams in NYC... at least Syracuse and UConn basketball interests the city and only during the old Big East tournament or NCAA tournament - that's it. Seriously folks, I'm in the city a lot.. I can't emphasize this enough. Listen to Francesa... walk around the sports bars in lower Manhattan on a Saturday in autumn.. check out the hats people are wearing at Mets and Yankees games... you will not hear or see much Rutgers at all. Rutgers is playing Indiana next... a fairly meaningless conference game... try to find ANY buzz about it. You can find buzz on Jets games and Giants games.. check out what the Rutgers/Army game draws at West Point in a couple weeks.. that's a whole other sector (Westchester/CT/etc.) that can go see Rutgers football in person.... they will draw nearly the same they drew for all their other home games.

Rutgers loves to site that Louisville game... which was a prime time night game up against nothing .- and a long time ago And further more, it wasn't even the highest demand ticket in the NYC area. You could buy single tickets to that game without a package. You couldn't buy UConn/Michigan tickets without buying at least a partial season package - no single tickets were sold. What's the top rated Rutgers game going up against other teams on Saturday? How does Rutgers ticket buzz compare to UConn or Syracuse NCAA tournament games being played in NJ or NYC? Or the old Big East Tournament? Syracuse in the finals of a BE tournament was an additional $50 per ticket mark up for scalpers (if not more).

Keep citing that 2011 football game or a survey from the NY Times a few years ago. I'll keep being in NYC and seeing Notre Dame fans or transplanted fans.. heck, last trip to a Yankee game I saw more Cincinnati gear than Rutgers.. and the opponent was the Nationals so it wasn't like seeing Maryland or Va Tech stuff everywhere (before I get a geography lesson, there are a ton of Va Tech alums up in Fairfax County and DC even though its farther away).

(10-15-2015 09:08 AM)jskwrite Wrote:  

(10-14-2015 07:31 AM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(10-13-2015 09:09 PM)AntiG Wrote:  

(10-13-2015 09:05 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(10-13-2015 08:58 PM)AntiG Wrote:  Well yes, that article was from 2011 after UConn had just won the BE title and played the Fiesta Bowl, prior to everyone bailing on the old Big East... you know as much as I do here, the passion is pretty much extinguished in this area due to the years of being terrible for both UConn and Syracuse. That's why I said no one cares.

If you have current numbers then please use that data. If you don't have any, then you have no way of proving your "no one cares anymore" theory.

Well the numbers aren't there because there isn't currently an article nor is there a dedicated group to poll college football fans on how many care about UConn football. Its not necessary anyway, you simply just need to live here and you know. No one cares about UConn football in NYC nowadays. A few did when they were good for a couple of years, and now that they have been awful for several years, they've gone into hiding. Its no slight against yourself as a fan/alumn nor the UConn athletics department, who deserve plenty of credit for what they've accomplished for decades, but that's how it is.

I have a pied-a-terre on the Upper East Side. Out of all my time spent in NYC, I have maybe seen a few Rutgers fans. Just because you don't see them, it doesn't mean they don't exist.

No one in NYC cares about UConn football... No one in NYC cares about Rutgers football (or Rutgers anything).. that was the problem.. the Big 10 didn't realize no one gives two shakes about the local football teams in NYC... at least Syracuse and UConn basketball interests the city and only during the old Big East tournament or NCAA tournament - that's it. Seriously folks, I'm in the city a lot.. I can't emphasize this enough. Listen to Francesa... walk around the sports bars in lower Manhattan on a Saturday in autumn.. check out the hats people are wearing at Mets and Yankees games... you will not hear or see much Rutgers at all. Rutgers is playing Indiana next... a fairly meaningless conference game... try to find ANY buzz about it. You can find buzz on Jets games and Giants games.. check out what the Rutgers/Army game draws at West Point in a couple weeks.. that's a whole other sector (Westchester/CT/etc.) that can go see Rutgers football in person.... they will draw nearly the same they drew for all their other home games.

Rutgers loves to site that Louisville game... which was a prime time night game up against nothing .- and a long time ago And further more, it wasn't even the highest demand ticket in the NYC area. You could buy single tickets to that game without a package. You couldn't buy UConn/Michigan tickets without buying at least a partial season package - no single tickets were sold. What's the top rated Rutgers game going up against other teams on Saturday? How does Rutgers ticket buzz compare to UConn or Syracuse NCAA tournament games being played in NJ or NYC? Or the old Big East Tournament? Syracuse in the finals of a BE tournament was an additional $50 per ticket mark up for scalpers (if not more).

Keep citing that 2011 football game or a survey from the NY Times a few years ago. I'll keep being in NYC and seeing Notre Dame fans or transplanted fans.. heck, last trip to a Yankee game I saw more Cincinnati gear than Rutgers.. and the opponent was the Nationals so it wasn't like seeing Maryland or Va Tech stuff everywhere (before I get a geography lesson, there are a ton of Va Tech alums up in Fairfax County and DC even though its farther away).

Unless it is local Stony Brook beating up on Rutgers 60-0. Lol, just a dream. But, hey. I hear that the NYC people don't like New Jersey, and think of them as a garbage dump.