(10-14-2015 08:47 AM)Juan Tibonya Wrote:  I think a lot of people in Columbia believe that they are courting Kirby Smart. He has been in the SEC for 11 years and has had great success at Alabama. I think he is more likely than Fuente or Herman.

From the fans I've talked with it is kind of split on Kirby. About half of the fans like him, the other half say he is going to be Muschamp 2.0 to quote them. That being said, listening to what fans are saying really doesn't mean jack squat when it comes to the actual coaching search.

(10-13-2015 11:20 AM)OLearysRosacea Wrote:  Listening to the press conference right now and Spurrier was asked when he decided to step down. He specifically mentioned after the UCF game and how they struggled in the first half. Not saying UCF is the reason for him wanting to finish his career there but I found it pretty funny. He's saying all the right things and what all UCF fans wish O'Leary would say as well.

We're so bad that beating us by only 16 points is a firable offense

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(10-13-2015 04:09 AM)baruna falls Wrote:  With Spurrier announcing his retirement last night I read on the 247 South Carolina site where Tom Herman and Justin Fuente were mentioned as possible replacements. Thoughts from Houston and Memphis guys?

My gut tells me a p5 school will want a HC with at least a couple years of success.. Fuente probably gets poached this year, Herman a couple years down the road (assuming houston doesn't coog it) it's just the name of the game. Houston most likely in this league won't pay a coach more than 2mil/year. Former UH coaches are making almost triple that today, nothing personal just business.

Maybe someday houston or Memphis will get their Gary Patterson to hang around and build the program up. But even TCU is paying their Coach 4mil a year now.

No certain why that is a shock... they got over $120 million in cash donations to build their new stadium. TCU is loaded.

(10-13-2015 06:02 PM)UHDC Wrote:  

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(10-13-2015 10:32 AM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  If a decent job in the ACC comes open I hope Fuente lands there. The ACC is a really weak P5 conference that doesn't throw him immediately into the fire and could be used as his stepping stone to a really big time school in a stronger conference.

Yeah we'll have to see what opens up after the end of the year. You could have Miami open up which would be a tremendous job. Possibly Virginia or Virginia Tech which would be appealing though I don't know if either of those would offer as much money as South Carolina.

I actually don't think Miami is the job it used to be. Don't get me wrong, there are some huge positives (biggest talent pool in the country, lot of history and prestige), but there are negatives. Miami doesn't have a lot of big time donors, which is pretty amazing considering they're an elite private school-you'd think they could churn out guys who would be willing to give six and seven figure gifts, but if they were, then Miami would have an IPF (UF, FSU, UCF, and soon FAU have or will have one, blast Doug Woolard for screwing the pooch here at USF), but Miami doesn't have one. They don't have an on campus stadium, and although the Orange Bowl wasn't one, it exuded menace as a home stadium, and the history there speaks for itself. I wouldn't be so quick to jump at Miami if I wasn't going to get the things I want, and I'm not sure their next coach will.

Biggest talent pool is either DFW or Houston. More D1 recruits from these areas than anyone else.

I don't understand why UCF & USF can't do something similar. Lead the way and show the rest of the conference how it is done. This conference probably has more high schools within 20 miles of its universities than any in FBS.

(10-14-2015 10:27 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  I don't understand why UCF & USF can't do something similar. Lead the way and show the rest of the conference how it is done. This conference probably has more high schools within 20 miles of its universities than any in FBS.

Football players are no different than top academic HS students...as most want to "go away" to college.

Most P5 programs are located in small towns/cities....as most of their alumni and current students "go away" to attend that school.

The biggest stigma for UCF to attract top local HS students is "13th grade syndrome", as many local students view attending "next door" UCF as just 13th grade...hence why many top students (let alone athletes) want to go away to school. Same reason why UH's nickname by haters has always been "Cougar High".

Sure, maybe some kids end up attending their local Univ in their hometown but when one can receive 100% scholarship (plus COA and other payments) to attend maybe a P5 school anywhere across the country, those offers are very appealing, vs your local G5 school.

Tulsa and Houston know this situation all to well. I do not like Houston, but I hate the situation because of the fact it sets the school back. This conference was set up as a feeder to the P5 by way of the TV contracts. By only paying us enough to get good startup coaches and not enough $ to retain them when they pan out. It just rigged.

(10-14-2015 10:58 AM)Hurricane Warning Wrote:  Tulsa and Houston know this situation all to well. I do not like Houston, but I hate the situation because of the fact it sets the school back. This conference was set up as a feeder to the P5 by way of the TV contracts. By only paying us enough to get good startup coaches and not enough $ to retain them when they pan out. It just rigged.

Exactly why our fans should always give Ruff all the leeway we can. We could get another decade or more of stability out of most of this staff.

Ruff- not leaving just turned 58

O. Coordinator- home growing. Already promoting from with in/ Garret Riley is next in line

D. Coordinator- He's old, been here two times never even sold his house in Gville the first time

Associate Head coach- left DC job at App State to be with Ruff later 50's.

Recruiting Coordinator- late 50's been here through Skip and Ruff, not going anywhere

Special Teams coordinator- ECU alum in his early 60's

Strenght and Conditioning coach- Jeff Conners 2nd term here later 50's

Got a couple of other ECU alums in position coaches as well including Yellock who will probably get a shot at DC at some point.

The main coaching staff are all late 50's or early 60's several have been here through multiple coaching staffs clearly would retire here. I don't think it's a stretch to say we will have the same main parts here 5 or even 10 years from now with Ruff (head), Kirkparick(recruiting), Conners (strenght) maybe even Doll (special teams), Wiley (associate head coach). OC will be a revolving door but I think we'll keep our replacement on staff.

I really hope we continue to structure our program like this and have someone Alumni in mind when Ruff steps away. This really is the key to maintaining a strong program at this level over a long period.

(10-14-2015 11:11 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(10-14-2015 10:58 AM)Hurricane Warning Wrote:  Tulsa and Houston know this situation all to well. I do not like Houston, but I hate the situation because of the fact it sets the school back. This conference was set up as a feeder to the P5 by way of the TV contracts. By only paying us enough to get good startup coaches and not enough $ to retain them when they pan out. It just rigged.

Exactly why our fans should always give Ruff all the leeway we can. We could get another decade or more of stability out of most of this staff.

Ruff- not leaving just turned 58

O. Coordinator- home growing. Already promoting from with in/ Garret Riley is next in line

D. Coordinator- He's old, been here two times never even sold his house in Gville the first time

Associate Head coach- left DC job at App State to be with Ruff later 50's.

Recruiting Coordinator- late 50's been here through Skip and Ruff, not going anywhere

Special Teams coordinator- ECU alum in his early 60's

Strenght and Conditioning coach- Jeff Conners 2nd term here later 50's

Got a couple of other ECU alums in position coaches as well including Yellock who will probably get a shot at DC at some point.

The main coaching staff are all late 50's or early 60's several have been here through multiple coaching staffs clearly would retire here. I don't think it's a stretch to say we will have the same main parts here 5 or even 10 years from now with Ruff (head), Kirkparick(recruiting), Conners (strenght) maybe even Doll (special teams), Wiley (associate head coach). OC will be a revolving door but I think we'll keep our replacement on staff.

I really hope we continue to structure our program like this and have someone Alumni in mind when Ruff steps away. This really is the key to maintaining a strong program at this level over a long period.

As much as it sucks for our coaches to move on Houston has done fine. I wouldn't trade our 13-1 season for anything. If Herman kicks butt this year and we finally win a conference championship and possible NY6 bowl I will be sad to see him go but he would have done a great job.

My skinny on Herman is he is a Texas kind of guy. Started coaching here and his recruiting chops are Texas roots. You are not getting Texas guys to go to SC on a regular. I am not saying that will keep him at UH but rather I think it's very possible that in the next 2-3 years one of the 2 biggest Texas schools will be open. Either Sumlin gets pulled to the NFL or Strong flames out. He has UH admin and fans in his hip pocket. Why not milk that until you are able to step in a better situation in your comfort zone? You take SC job, recruiting is harder, not your region of comfort and you lose your done. SO much risk to a coach who seems so to be good at planning. Remember he waited and really sold himself for the UH job.

Now if USoCal comes, he is gone. That's one of the top jobs. However, I don't think USoCal comes as this is a must hit for Haden. Not sure if he wants to risk it on someone with potential.

(10-14-2015 11:34 AM)3rdWardCoog Wrote:  My skinny on Herman is he is a Texas kind of guy. Started coaching here and his recruiting chops are Texas roots. You are not getting Texas guys to go to SC on a regular. I am not saying that will keep him at UH but rather I think it's very possible that in the next 2-3 years one of the 2 biggest Texas schools will be open. Either Sumlin gets pulled to the NFL or Strong flames out. He has UH admin and fans in his hip pocket. Why not milk that until you are able to step in a better situation in your comfort zone? You take SC job, recruiting is harder, not your region of comfort and you lose your done. SO much risk to a coach who seems so to be good at planning. Remember he waited and really sold himself for the UH job.

Now if USoCal comes, he is gone. That's one of the top jobs. However, I don't think USoCal comes as this is a must hit for Haden. Not sure if he wants to risk it on someone with potential.

That's the way I am thinking. Heck if I was HC at Houston and USC offered I would also leave and I'm a UH grad. Talk about a school who gets their pick of the litter when it comes to great QB recruits.

(10-14-2015 11:20 AM)UHDC Wrote:  As much as it sucks for our coaches to move on Houston has done fine. I wouldn't trade our 13-1 season for anything. If Herman kicks butt this year and we finally win a conference championship and possible NY6 bowl I will be sad to see him go but he would have done a great job.

Yeah, well it usually comes with an equally big price even if you do hit the homerun and get the hot **** up and comer. Look at USM after they fired alum Bower who wasn't going to leave and got their one good season and that's just if you are even lucky and sign that next top 10 coach. Transition is almost never smooth. Lutz at Charlotte basketball is another that comes to mind.

Hiring a better option is not always a given. You guys hated Penders who wouldn't have left for going to NIT's and NCAA's and haven't done anything since. I guess you guys just need more talent coaching alum than Clyde Drexler or more invested alumni willing to stay because alum Art Briles was capable of plenty and went to a job that was barely a step up at the time. I have a hard time seeing any of our former players in the coaching industry going to Duke football or someone like that from ECU even today when Duke is good.

(10-14-2015 01:29 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(10-14-2015 11:20 AM)UHDC Wrote:  As much as it sucks for our coaches to move on Houston has done fine. I wouldn't trade our 13-1 season for anything. If Herman kicks butt this year and we finally win a conference championship and possible NY6 bowl I will be sad to see him go but he would have done a great job.

Yeah, well it usually comes with an equally big price even if you do hit the homerun and get the hot **** up and comer. Look at USM after they fired alum Bower who wasn't going to leave and got their one good season and that's just if you are even lucky and sign that next top 10 coach. Transition is almost never smooth. Lutz at Charlotte basketball is another that comes to mind.

Hiring a better option is not always a given. You guys hated Penders who wouldn't have left for going to NIT's and NCAA's and haven't done anything since. I guess you guys just need more talent coaching alum than Clyde Drexler or more invested alumni willing to stay because alum Art Briles was capable of plenty and went to a job that was barely a step up at the time. I have a hard time seeing any of our former players in the coaching industry going to Duke football or someone like that from ECU even today when Duke is good.

I understand the point your trying to make but what are Houston's options, hope to hire a mediocre coach so there is no turnover? You have to hire the best coach and if you lose him you lose him but at least he leaves you in a great spot to recruit another great coach. Any time you make a change in coaching there is always a risk, however there are several schools that have cycled through coaches and not missed a beat. Unfortunately it's the nature of college football.

While everyone would love to have a coach stay at there school and be successful for 15 years the reality is those coaches are so few and far between. Even elite college programs lose coaches to the NFL so no one is completely immune.

(10-14-2015 02:43 PM)k-vegasbuc Wrote:  I understand the point your trying to make but what are Houston's options, hope to hire a mediocre coach so there is no turnover? You have to hire the best coach and if you lose him you lose him but at least he leaves you in a great spot to recruit another great coach. Any time you make a change in coaching there is always a risk, however there are several schools that have cycled through coaches and not missed a beat. Unfortunately it's the nature of college football.

While everyone would love to have a coach stay at there school and be successful for 15 years the reality is those coaches are so few and far between. Even elite college programs lose coaches to the NFL so no one is completely immune.

It was more of a general statement about the situation he outlined. I liked Holtz and in the grand scheme he was pretty mediocre but even he had schools up his skirt every season and that gets old quick and transitions when these guys inevitable always leave ususally goes bad. It's just refreshing to have a head coach and core group of coaches not looking to leave for stability.

I just think our fans need to appreciate it more and other fanbases should encourage their AD's to give alum coaches that are really invested in the school chances first. It really seems like the way to go when you are a place like ECU if you want some stability and for people to stick around long enough to build something.

Last year about this time even when ECU was flying high and were in the top 20 for about 6 or 7 weeks straight and I don't even remember reading one article or really even one fanbase that thought there was a real possiblity of Ruff leaving. I don't think there even was a sniff after we went 10-3 the year before that either. It's just a nice set up and I realize that. Even if Ruff had a 3-9 this season or something I wouldn't be calling for his head and I think any fan that would is pretty shortsighted about the good thing we have going in the bigger picture. That's when I look at schools like USM that had it and think their is lessons to be learned.