Please memphis upset ole miss. They're our best chance for a playoff contender. The more we make espn talk, the more the reality of a power conference will continue to grow.

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Memphis has a tough, tough schedule.

After Ole Miss (5-1), they play @ Tulsa (3-2), at home vs Tulane (2-3), then they host 4-1 Navy and travel to Houston (5-0) and Temple (5-0). If they make it that far they host SMU (1-5) to close things out... but Tulsa, Houston and Temple on the road are not gonna be easy, especially if they upset Mississippi and get a little number next to their name in the standings.

For comparison's sake, Memphis' remaining opponents are a combined 25-12, while Houston's are 19-18 and Temple's are 19-21. Boise State's opponents are 14-20 as of right now.

(10-12-2015 02:17 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Well this is the exact type of year where this horrible bowl lineup really hurts. You have 4 excellent football teams at the top of the league and then 2 in Cincy and ECU that are very solid. Navy is locked into the Military Bowl this year so there's only one other bowl tie in with a P5 team. So there are going to be several teams with really good records at the end of the year, maybe even ranked in the top 25, that will be playing in pure dog bowl games. That flat out stinks.

THIS is where the AAC, MWC, BYU, and Army could really help each other out.

Negotiate as follows:

1) The AAC gets access to Heart of Dallas (v. B1G or Big 12), and Las Vegas (v. PAC 12) with the MWC and BYU. The AAC and MWC each get at least 2 and up to 3 appearances in 6 years with each bowl. BYU gets up to 1 appearance in each bowl. So, BYU is eligible for up to 2 appearances between both bowls in the 6 years. The AAC and MWC would be guaranteed 2 appearances in each bowl and 5 appearances between the two bowls in the 6 years.

2) Armed Forces (v. B1G or Big 12) is an annual tie-in for the AAC; however, BYU and Army are each eligible to replace the AAC in up to 1 out of 6 years (AAC would get at least 4 appearances in the bowl, even if BYU and Army maxed out their quota). BYU, Army, and C-USA serve as back-up for the Armed Forces Bowl if the B1G or Big 12 cannot fill their slot.

3) Poinsettia and Hawaii bowls involve MWC, AAC, PAC 12, BYU, and Army. The MWC is guaranteed 4 bids to each bowl in 6 years. The AAC guaranteed a bid to at least one of the bowls each year. PAC 12, BYU, and Army are eligible for up to 2 bids to each bowl in 6 years. This means these bowls can consist of MWC v. AAC; AAC or MWC v. PAC 12; AAC or MWC v. BYU; AAC or MWC v. Army; PAC 12 v. BYU or Army; and BYU v. Army.

4) Both BYU and Army are eligible to play against the AAC in Miami Beach - in 1 out of 6 years. Otherwise, it's AAC v. CUSA.

5) Army is eligible to play in each of the other Florida bowls (St. Petersburg, Boca Raton, and Cure) against the AAC in 1 out of 6 years. Army is also a backup if AAC cannot fill their slot. Sun Belt, MAC, and C-USA also serve as backup.

These steps open up tremendous flexibility to maximize attractive matchups and ensure that the AAC plays more quality bowl competition.

So, the AAC bowl lineup would look like this:
-AAC champ - (hopefully) NY6 Access Bowl [or CFP]
#1 - Military (Annapolis) v. ACC/Notre Dame
#2 - Las Vegas (v. P12) or Dallas (v. B1G/B12) in at least 5 of 6 years
#3 - Armed Forces (v. B1G/B12) in at least 4 of 6 years
#4 - St. Petersburg (v. ACC/C-USA/Army)
#5- Birmingham (v. SEC)
#6 - Poinsettia or Hawaii (v. MWC/BYU/PAC/Army)[sometimes in both]
#7 - Miami Beach (v. CUSA/BYU/Army)
#8 - Boca Raton (v. MAC/Army)
#9 - Cure (v. Sun Belt/Army)

BYU's bowl lineup would look like this:
-NY6 or CFP [after a tremendous season]
#1 - Las Vegas (v. P12) - 1 in 6 years max
#2 - Dallas (v. B1G/B12) - 1 in 6 years max
#3 - Armed Forces (v. B1G/B12) - 1 in 6 years max
#4 - Poinsettia (v. AAC/MWC/PAC/Army) - 2 in 6 years max
#5 - Hawaii (v. AAC/MWC/PAC/Army) - 2 in 6 years max
#6 - Miami Beach (v. AAC) - 1 in 6 years max

(10-13-2015 01:25 PM)Chappy Wrote:  Memphis has a tough, tough schedule.

After Ole Miss (5-1), they play @ Tulsa (3-2), at home vs Tulane (2-3), then they host 4-1 Navy and travel to Houston (5-0) and Temple (5-0). If they make it that far they host SMU (1-5) to close things out... but Tulsa, Houston and Temple on the road are not gonna be easy, especially if they upset Mississippi and get a little number next to their name in the standings.

For comparison's sake, Memphis' remaining opponents are a combined 25-12, while Houston's are 19-18 and Temple's are 19-21. Boise State's opponents are 14-20 as of right now.

THIS...I will tell you the Top 6 or 7 American teams can beat any team in the conference. I suspect we will not have a team go undefeated due to the parity in our league. Would be great if we did as that assures a realistic Access Bowl or spot in the CFP. Just don't see how any of our teams make it trough unscathed starting with Temple losing at ECU on the 22nd.

(10-13-2015 01:38 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(10-12-2015 02:17 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Well this is the exact type of year where this horrible bowl lineup really hurts. You have 4 excellent football teams at the top of the league and then 2 in Cincy and ECU that are very solid. Navy is locked into the Military Bowl this year so there's only one other bowl tie in with a P5 team. So there are going to be several teams with really good records at the end of the year, maybe even ranked in the top 25, that will be playing in pure dog bowl games. That flat out stinks.

THIS is where the AAC, MWC, BYU, and Army could really help each other out.

Negotiate as follows:

1) The AAC gets access to Heart of Dallas (v. B1G or Big 12), and Las Vegas (v. PAC 12) with the MWC and BYU. The AAC and MWC each get at least 2 and up to 3 appearances in 6 years with each bowl. BYU gets up to 1 appearance in each bowl. So, BYU is eligible for up to 2 appearances between both bowls in the 6 years. The AAC and MWC would be guaranteed 2 appearances in each bowl and 5 appearances between the two bowls in the 6 years.

2) Armed Forces (v. B1G or Big 12) is an annual tie-in for the AAC; however, BYU and Army are each eligible to replace the AAC in up to 1 out of 6 years (AAC would get at least 4 appearances in the bowl, even if BYU and Army maxed out their quota). BYU, Army, and C-USA serve as back-up for the Armed Forces Bowl if the B1G or Big 12 cannot fill their slot.

3) Poinsettia and Hawaii bowls involve MWC, AAC, PAC 12, BYU, and Army. The MWC is guaranteed 4 bids to each bowl in 6 years. The AAC guaranteed a bid to at least one of the bowls each year. PAC 12, BYU, and Army are eligible for up to 2 bids to each bowl in 6 years. This means these bowls can consist of MWC v. AAC; AAC or MWC v. PAC 12; AAC or MWC v. BYU; AAC or MWC v. Army; PAC 12 v. BYU or Army; and BYU v. Army.

4) Both BYU and Army are eligible to play against the AAC in Miami Beach - in 1 out of 6 years. Otherwise, it's AAC v. CUSA.

5) Army is eligible to play in each of the other Florida bowls (St. Petersburg, Boca Raton, and Cure) against the AAC in 1 out of 6 years. Army is also a backup if AAC cannot fill their slot. Sun Belt, MAC, and C-USA also serve as backup.

These steps open up tremendous flexibility to maximize attractive matchups and ensure that the AAC plays more quality bowl competition.

So, the AAC bowl lineup would look like this:
-AAC champ - (hopefully) NY6 Access Bowl [or CFP]
#1 - Military (Annapolis) v. ACC/Notre Dame
#2 - Las Vegas (v. P12) or Dallas (v. B1G/B12) in at least 5 of 6 years
#3 - Armed Forces (v. B1G/B12) in at least 4 of 6 years
#4 - St. Petersburg (v. ACC/C-USA/Army)
#5- Birmingham (v. SEC)
#6 - Poinsettia or Hawaii (v. MWC/BYU/PAC/Army)[sometimes in both]
#7 - Miami Beach (v. CUSA/BYU/Army)
#8 - Boca Raton (v. MAC/Army)
#9 - Cure (v. Sun Belt/Army)

BYU's bowl lineup would look like this:
-NY6 or CFP [after a tremen dous season]
#1 - Las Vegas (v. P12) - 1 in 6 years max
#2 - Dallas (v. B1G/B12) - 1 in 6 years max
#3 - Armed Forces (v. B1G/B12) - 1 in 6 years max
#4 - Poinsettia (v. AAC/MWC/PAC/Army) - 2 in 6 years max
#5 - Hawaii (v. AAC/MWC/PAC/Army) - 2 in 6 years max
#6 - Miami Beach (v. AAC) - 1 in 6 years max

good thinking but the MWC has played in the Las Vegas bowl vs the PAC for close to 20 straight years now. They won't go for 2 appearances out of 6 years. They'll give up 1 year in a 6 year period for BYU but that's their best bowl. Unless UNLV joins the AAC then it won't work. Plus your scenario cuts CUSA out entirety of the bowl they founded: Heart of Dallas. BYU is screwed on bowls and will continue to be until they join a conference. Its just too hard to be a single school negotiating with the bowls. Even Notre Dame and Navy understand that and have linked up with the ACC and AAC for bowls going foward. Army doesn't want big time football like you guys do so it doesn't matter as much to them. You guys can't have complete independence and a guaranteed bowl schedule that's good at the same time. Won't ever happen. Cheers!

(10-13-2015 12:30 PM)oliveandblue Wrote:  We're one of the most disappointing programs in Division I. Nobody does less with more than Tulane. The recruiting area, campus, and academics suggest that this is the type of program that should 8 games a season.

The fact that we win around 4.5 games per year shows you how BAD most of the administration is failing. People in suits have taken an ideal situation and crapped all over it. Nobody goes to games because nobody supports the administration.

IF (and it's a huge fricking if) the new AD for Tulane is ANY good, you'll see what I mean.

Tulane is an outpost in New Orleans. It's a preppy private school that may as well be in Harrisburg, PA or Ithaca, NY (a sizable amount of their fan base is from that region anyways). It recruits a different type of student and athlete than the locals and has a general disconnect with the people of New Orleans in general.

By comparison, Southern Miss, a public school nearby, should be reaping benefits from New Orleans for those same reasons, even if out of state.

(10-13-2015 01:53 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  good thinking but the MWC has played in the Las Vegas bowl vs the PAC for close to 20 straight years now. They won't go for 2 appearances out of 6 years. They'll give up 1 year in a 6 year period for BYU but that's their best bowl. Unless UNLV joins the AAC then it won't work. Plus your scenario cuts CUSA out entirety of the bowl they founded: Heart of Dallas. BYU is screwed on bowls and will continue to be until they join a conference. Its just too hard to be a single school negotiating with the bowls. Even Notre Dame and Navy understand that and have linked up with the ACC and AAC for bowls going foward. Army doesn't want big time football like you guys do so it doesn't matter as much to them. You guys can't have complete independence and a guaranteed bowl schedule that's good at the same time. Won't ever happen. Cheers!

This is where I think that BYU and the AAC can do each other a solid.

The Las Vegas Bowl selected BYU 5 years in a row before BYU left the MWC. Didn't matter if BYU was 10-2 or 6-6. 5 years in a row. Once BYU left the MWC, Boise St. became the Las Vegas Bowl staple. The last two MWC showings in Las Vegas by Fresno St. and Colorado St. (because Boise was playing in the Fiesta Bowl) have been poor. (USC 45, FSU 20 followed by Utah 45, CSU 10).

BYU was able to negotiate its way into the Las Vegas Bowl again, not only without any conference affiliation, but with much of the MWC still staunchly against BYU.

Together, I believe that BYU and the AAC could improve each other's circumstances. The PAC 12 would love a scenario where they could play Boise St., BYU, or Memphis...and limit the possible Fresno and Colorado St. mismatches.

With regards to the Heart of Dallas Bowl game, I don't see any evidence that the C-USA will have any significant influence. The first three matchups in 2011 to 2013 included Texas Tech v. Northwestern, Houston v. Penn St., and Oklahoma St. v. Purdue. Only the last two years have current C-USA members been involved. Who would the B1G rather play? Louisiana Tech, Western Kentucky, and UTEP? OR Memphis, Houston, Boise St., and BYU?

(10-12-2015 02:53 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  Just my opinion for what it is worth. The American stands a top of the G5 world. Only BYU and Boise are your equal in the G5 world. I think either the American will become the 6th Power Conference or it will be raided by the P5. If raided look for Pool:

Central Florida
Cincinnati
Connecticut
East Carolina
Houston
Memphis
South Florida
Temple

The only other choices are BYU and Boise.

Put this post somewhere that it can be read. There will NEVER be a P6. If any changes are made it will be that it becomes a P4 and the existing P5 consolidate. They are not going to give up any of their power or money without an order from a Judge telling them that they have to.

(10-13-2015 02:56 PM)PaulDel2 Wrote:  

(10-12-2015 02:53 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  Just my opinion for what it is worth. The American stands a top of the G5 world. Only BYU and Boise are your equal in the G5 world. I think either the American will become the 6th Power Conference or it will be raided by the P5. If raided look for Pool:

Central Florida
Cincinnati
Connecticut
East Carolina
Houston
Memphis
South Florida
Temple

The only other choices are BYU and Boise.

Put this post somewhere that it can be read. There will NEVER be a P6. If any changes are made it will be that it becomes a P4 and the existing P5 consolidate. They are not going to give up any of their power or money without an order from a Judge telling them that they have to.

Who knows, there may end up being a little truth to this...

(10-12-2015 03:50 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(10-12-2015 02:25 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(10-12-2015 02:17 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(10-12-2015 02:07 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Can we please sticky a thread where everybody can whine about our crappy bowls? We are almost 2 years in now. Please. Give it a rest.

Well this is the exact type of year where this horrible bowl lineup really hurts. You have 4 excellent football teams at the top of the league and then 2 in Cincy and ECU that are very solid. Navy is locked into the Military Bowl this year so there's only one other bowl tie in with a P5 team. So there are going to be several teams with really good records at the end of the year, maybe even ranked in the top 25, that will be playing in pure dog bowl games. That flat out stinks.

Yea, and thats the exact point I was making. I wasnt bitching about the bowls. I was just saying this could end up sucking for some teams that could be ranked in the top 25 at the end of the year, and to see the bowls they end up getting. They would not come close to matching the quality of their efforts. Not even close. And thats unfortunate.

Right. We could end up with ranked team lining up against Appy State or FIU. Its also interesting to note---this is more of an every other year issue. Some years we have 4 bowls vs P5's---in those years its less of a problem. The next bowl cycle negotiation is just 4 years away. Do well---sell lots of tickets---and maybe we can pick up that one signature anchor bowl the conference really needs when that time rolls around. At the very least--maybe we can get the line up situated where we have a consistent 4 or 5 P5 opponents EVERY season (even if they are lower level finishers).

All that is true, but nothing has really changed with the bowls in 3 years, and won't for at least 3 more, but you guys keep banging the same drums over and over.

Plus, I don't see where anything has changed to improve our slots next time. We have the best bowls of any G5, and we are NOT going to overtake any of the P5.

(10-13-2015 04:00 PM)MercerCo_BearCat Wrote:  

(10-13-2015 02:56 PM)PaulDel2 Wrote:  

(10-12-2015 02:53 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  Just my opinion for what it is worth. The American stands a top of the G5 world. Only BYU and Boise are your equal in the G5 world. I think either the American will become the 6th Power Conference or it will be raided by the P5. If raided look for Pool:

Central Florida
Cincinnati
Connecticut
East Carolina
Houston
Memphis
South Florida
Temple

The only other choices are BYU and Boise.

Put this post somewhere that it can be read. There will NEVER be a P6. If any changes are made it will be that it becomes a P4 and the existing P5 consolidate. They are not going to give up any of their power or money without an order from a Judge telling them that they have to.

Who knows, there may end up being a little truth to this...

Mercer, I hope that they are forced by a judge to open the doors. That is how they got the power in the first place.

In the 1980s all TV was through a contract with the NCAA. A court, in a suit brought by Oklahoma and Georgia, held that the rights to televise the events were owned by the schools and that membership in the NCAA didn't automatically give the rights to the NCAA. Shortly thereafter, each conference had the member schools specifically give those rights to the conference. That way the NCAA couldn't make any changes to the by laws that forced the members to convey the rights to the NCAA. After that, the SEC struck a deal on its own with CBS, found a never before used by law that allowed a conference championship game if you have 12 teams and 2 divisions, had a commissioner who formed the predecessor to the BCS and the rest is history.