(10-12-2015 12:59 PM)THUNDERGround Wrote: From NCAA.org
Quote:What does it mean when an institution is found to have a lack of institutional control?
A lack of institutional control is found when the Committee on Infractions determines that major violations occurred and the institution failed to display:
•Adequate compliance measures.
•Appropriate education on those compliance measures. •Sufficient monitoring to ensure the compliance measures are followed.
•Swift action upon learning of a violation.
Sounds more like failure to monitor to me.
I disagree, they at least hit 2 of the 4 issues:
The guy did it 3 times from 2011-2013; once ok that's hard to monitor but paying off the ACT person for 6 students 3 different times, plus the payment to the JUCO player?!?
Doesn't sound like sufficient monitoring...
ULL found out about Saunders investigation and issues Dec. 16th 2013, he wasn't removed from recruiting, until 6 months later (May 2014) well after NSD, and then another 6 months before they said he "resigned".
Not really swift, even then they didn't really take any action as ULL made it look like he resigned for personal reasons.
A lot of times HR issues are a very thorny thing to deal with: they had to be careful to not just fire him on the spot, without having any evidence. Given all the complexities involved, the timeframes given seem understandable to me.
BS, the NCAA is investigating him for possible ACT testing violations and paying students, immediately take him off of recruiting, no further contact with any players not already enrolled, hell no contact with any players without another coach present outside of practice. Or put him on administrative paid leave...
So when are they going to look into McGuire?
Quote:2011 McGuire entered his senior season still with a bit of work to do to get academically qualified. He finished his senior season needing to beef up his mark on the ACT.
He said he took the test late in the spring after taking a lot of preparatory classes.
When he got his results, McGuire said he immediately stopped in his tracks and thanked God. “I made a 22,” McGuire said. “Which was unbelievable to me. …
(10-12-2015 12:59 PM)THUNDERGround Wrote: From NCAA.org
Quote:What does it mean when an institution is found to have a lack of institutional control?
A lack of institutional control is found when the Committee on Infractions determines that major violations occurred and the institution failed to display:
•Adequate compliance measures.
•Appropriate education on those compliance measures. •Sufficient monitoring to ensure the compliance measures are followed.
•Swift action upon learning of a violation.
Sounds more like failure to monitor to me.
I disagree, they at least hit 2 of the 4 issues:
The guy did it 3 times from 2011-2013; once ok that's hard to monitor but paying off the ACT person for 6 students 3 different times, plus the payment to the JUCO player?!?
Doesn't sound like sufficient monitoring...
ULL found out about Saunders investigation and issues Dec. 16th 2013, he wasn't removed from recruiting, until 6 months later (May 2014) well after NSD, and then another 6 months before they said he "resigned".
Not really swift, even then they didn't really take any action as ULL made it look like he resigned for personal reasons.
Yeah, I forgot about the cash also, so you're probably right.
(10-12-2015 12:59 PM)THUNDERGround Wrote: From NCAA.org
Quote:What does it mean when an institution is found to have a lack of institutional control?
A lack of institutional control is found when the Committee on Infractions determines that major violations occurred and the institution failed to display:
•Adequate compliance measures.
•Appropriate education on those compliance measures. •Sufficient monitoring to ensure the compliance measures are followed.
•Swift action upon learning of a violation.
Sounds more like failure to monitor to me.
I disagree, they at least hit 2 of the 4 issues:
The guy did it 3 times from 2011-2013; once ok that's hard to monitor but paying off the ACT person for 6 students 3 different times, plus the payment to the JUCO player?!?
Doesn't sound like sufficient monitoring...
ULL found out about Saunders investigation and issues Dec. 16th 2013, he wasn't removed from recruiting, until 6 months later (May 2014) well after NSD, and then another 6 months before they said he "resigned".
Not really swift, even then they didn't really take any action as ULL made it look like he resigned for personal reasons.
A lot of times HR issues are a very thorny thing to deal with: they had to be careful to not just fire him on the spot, without having any evidence. Given all the complexities involved, the timeframes given seem understandable to me.
BS, the NCAA is investigating him for possible ACT testing violations and paying students, immediately take him off of recruiting, no further contact with any players not already enrolled, hell no contact with any players without another coach present outside of practice. Or put him on administrative paid leave...
Not sure if I understand you, but yes, as far as what we know that is in fact exactly what happened: once they were informed of the issue he was immediately removed from recruiting/etc. UL then began its own investigation, guided no doubt by legal advisers. It then seems that when they reached the same conclusion, and/or Saunders refused to cooperate, he was terminated.
Again, every single source has stated that from the time this was brought to light we cooperated fully. Are you saying this is not correct? If so, do you have any facts to back those claims up?
(This post was last modified: 10-12-2015 04:14 PM by LaCajunsFan.)
(10-12-2015 12:59 PM)THUNDERGround Wrote: From NCAA.org
Quote:What does it mean when an institution is found to have a lack of institutional control?
A lack of institutional control is found when the Committee on Infractions determines that major violations occurred and the institution failed to display:
•Adequate compliance measures.
•Appropriate education on those compliance measures. •Sufficient monitoring to ensure the compliance measures are followed.
•Swift action upon learning of a violation.
Sounds more like failure to monitor to me.
I disagree, they at least hit 2 of the 4 issues:
The guy did it 3 times from 2011-2013; once ok that's hard to monitor but paying off the ACT person for 6 students 3 different times, plus the payment to the JUCO player?!?
Doesn't sound like sufficient monitoring...
ULL found out about Saunders investigation and issues Dec. 16th 2013, he wasn't removed from recruiting, until 6 months later (May 2014) well after NSD, and then another 6 months before they said he "resigned".
Not really swift, even then they didn't really take any action as ULL made it look like he resigned for personal reasons.
A lot of times HR issues are a very thorny thing to deal with: they had to be careful to not just fire him on the spot, without having any evidence. Given all the complexities involved, the timeframes given seem understandable to me.
BS, the NCAA is investigating him for possible ACT testing violations and paying students, immediately take him off of recruiting, no further contact with any players not already enrolled, hell no contact with any players without another coach present outside of practice. Or put him on administrative paid leave...
So when are they going to look into McGuire?
Quote:2011 McGuire entered his senior season still with a bit of work to do to get academically qualified. He finished his senior season needing to beef up his mark on the ACT.
He said he took the test late in the spring after taking a lot of preparatory classes.
When he got his results, McGuire said he immediately stopped in his tracks and thanked God. “I made a 22,” McGuire said. “Which was unbelievable to me. …
That's a bit of a stretch...send the kid to a testing site over 3 hours away from his home to take an ACT. Also, Saunders was not responsible for recruiting the area where McGuire prepped. But hey, go with your own theories to help yourself sleep at night.
We actually had the ACT look at two additional student-athletes that the NCAA did not look at. If there were any eligibility issues with Eli during this investigation, he would not have played.
(10-12-2015 04:30 PM)Cajunman02 Wrote: That's a bit of a stretch...send the kid to a testing site over 3 hours away from his home to take an ACT. Also, Saunders was not responsible for recruiting the area where McGuire prepped. But hey, go with your own theories to help yourself sleep at night.
We actually had the ACT look at two additional student-athletes that the NCAA did not look at. If there were any eligibility issues with Eli during this investigation, he would not have played.
Actually, if you look at the NCAA Notice of Allegations, it seems like some of the prospective student-athletes were told by Saunders (and maybe Rebowe in one instance) to take the ACT in Mississippi. That indicates that those student-athletes were not from Mississippi.
If they were from Alabama, it's at least a 30-minute drive. If they were from Louisiana, it's at least two hours from the state line. Saunders sending a kid to a testing site (where he knows the kid will get a qualifying score) 3 hours away is plausible. Not saying this was the case with Elijah McGuire specifically. But a general case like this is plausible.
(This post was last modified: 10-12-2015 05:44 PM by TechAlum05.)
If Hudspeth is looking for an SEC job he is never going to get it. I think you have seen that this is as far as Hudspeth can get a team, 9-4 and CO-Champs seems like his ceiling.
ULL is sitting at 2-3 and will probably win 7-8 games and make a bowl but they need a ton of help to tie or surpass Appy State and GA Southern.
(10-12-2015 12:18 PM)loki_the_bubba Wrote: It's odd to me how ULL fans monitor this board waiting to pounce.
Football fans on a football board see a thread that is about their school (the ulala stuff is old and trollish but whatever) and one isnt supposed to comment?
Just to put something out there, the problems stem from a recruiting guy and the administrator of the ACT at an off-campus testing center. NONE of this happened on campus or had anything to do with classes or grades, ie UNC. I doubt any school looks into ACT scores all that much. We will get what we get, probably more than we deserve because its the NCAA and we are not SEC or P5 but this isnt the Pony Express. I think the fact that we self-reported, fired the guy immediatley, and have fully cooperated will help. I would think the self-imposed penalties will be enough but I'm not sure.
LOL...really. Like Ragin Pagin doesn't have a ton of active latur posters....and so does the SBC site.
In fact, the only site that does not tolerate 'outside' posters is the latur site. Those few who do have their posts modified, deleted....ro their avatar changed, etc. That is before they are banned.
And then they actually sit around and crow about how no UL folks post there anymore. The height of delusion.
Your house is burning down behind you while you're cussing out the yard man for not trimming your front curb.
(10-12-2015 12:59 PM)THUNDERGround Wrote: From NCAA.org
Quote:What does it mean when an institution is found to have a lack of institutional control?
A lack of institutional control is found when the Committee on Infractions determines that major violations occurred and the institution failed to display:
•Adequate compliance measures.
•Appropriate education on those compliance measures. •Sufficient monitoring to ensure the compliance measures are followed.
•Swift action upon learning of a violation.
Sounds more like failure to monitor to me.
I disagree, they at least hit 2 of the 4 issues:
The guy did it 3 times from 2011-2013; once ok that's hard to monitor but paying off the ACT person for 6 students 3 different times, plus the payment to the JUCO player?!?
Doesn't sound like sufficient monitoring...
ULL found out about Saunders investigation and issues Dec. 16th 2013, he wasn't removed from recruiting, until 6 months later (May 2014) well after NSD, and then another 6 months before they said he "resigned".
Not really swift, even then they didn't really take any action as ULL made it look like he resigned for personal reasons.
A lot of times HR issues are a very thorny thing to deal with: they had to be careful to not just fire him on the spot, without having any evidence. Given all the complexities involved, the timeframes given seem understandable to me.
BS, the NCAA is investigating him for possible ACT testing violations and paying students, immediately take him off of recruiting, no further contact with any players not already enrolled, hell no contact with any players without another coach present outside of practice. Or put him on administrative paid leave...
So when are they going to look into McGuire?
Quote:2011 McGuire entered his senior season still with a bit of work to do to get academically qualified. He finished his senior season needing to beef up his mark on the ACT.
He said he took the test late in the spring after taking a lot of preparatory classes.
When he got his results, McGuire said he immediately stopped in his tracks and thanked God. [b]“I made a 22,” McGuire said. “Which was unbelievable to me.[/b] …
(10-12-2015 12:18 PM)loki_the_bubba Wrote: It's odd to me how ULL fans monitor this board waiting to pounce.
Football fans on a football board see a thread that is about their school (the ulala stuff is old and trollish but whatever) and one isnt supposed to comment?
Just to put something out there, the problems stem from a recruiting guy and the administrator of the ACT at an off-campus testing center. NONE of this happened on campus or had anything to do with classes or grades, ie UNC. I doubt any school looks into ACT scores all that much. We will get what we get, probably more than we deserve because its the NCAA and we are not SEC or P5 but this isnt the Pony Express. I think the fact that we self-reported, fired the guy immediatley, and have fully cooperated will help. I would think the self-imposed penalties will be enough but I'm not sure.
LOL...really. Like Ragin Pagin doesn't have a ton of active latur posters....and so does the SBC site.
In fact, the only site that does not tolerate 'outside' posters is the latur site. Those few who do have their posts modified, deleted....ro their avatar changed, etc. That is before they are banned.
And then they actually sit around and crow about how no UL folks post there anymore. The height of delusion.
Your house is burning down behind you while you're cussing out the yard man for not trimming your front curb.
That is the stupidest analogy I've ever seen; totally irrelevant to the facts.
But you little fellas are never concerned about facts...
(10-12-2015 12:18 PM)loki_the_bubba Wrote: It's odd to me how ULL fans monitor this board waiting to pounce.
Football fans on a football board see a thread that is about their school (the ulala stuff is old and trollish but whatever) and one isnt supposed to comment?
Just to put something out there, the problems stem from a recruiting guy and the administrator of the ACT at an off-campus testing center. NONE of this happened on campus or had anything to do with classes or grades, ie UNC. I doubt any school looks into ACT scores all that much. We will get what we get, probably more than we deserve because its the NCAA and we are not SEC or P5 but this isnt the Pony Express. I think the fact that we self-reported, fired the guy immediatley, and have fully cooperated will help. I would think the self-imposed penalties will be enough but I'm not sure.
LOL...really. Like Ragin Pagin doesn't have a ton of active latur posters....and so does the SBC site.
In fact, the only site that does not tolerate 'outside' posters is the latur site. Those few who do have their posts modified, deleted....ro their avatar changed, etc. That is before they are banned.
And then they actually sit around and crow about how no UL folks post there anymore. The height of delusion.
Your house is burning down behind you while you're cussing out the yard man for not trimming your front curb.
That is the stupidest analogy I've ever seen; totally irrelevant to the facts.
But you little fellas are never concerned about facts...
(10-12-2015 07:36 PM)geauxcajuns Wrote: Glass house my La Tech friends. Carlos Henderson received $30k indirectly from his pastor to attend La Tech.
Well that's the word on the street anyway.
Hahaha. So sad. Get caught with your pants down and start silly rumors about one of our players. If there was any shred of truth to that, people at ULL or ULM would do anything to get the NCAA in on it and we would be in the news, not Lafayette.
(10-12-2015 07:36 PM)geauxcajuns Wrote: Glass house my La Tech friends. Carlos Henderson received $30k indirectly from his pastor to attend La Tech.
Well that's the word on the street anyway.
Hahaha. So sad. Get caught with your pants down and start silly rumors about one of our players. If there was any shred of truth to that, people at ULL or ULM would do anything to get the NCAA in on it and we would be in the news, not Lafayette.
Yep we hired a guy who fixed ACT scores. He did it so well that the NCAA and ACT testing center had no clue.
No on campus violations were found nor were we accused of any. We will get hammered, no doubt about it. But to my knowledge 2012, 2013 and 2014 seasons had any player implicated in the allegations.
We were also not the primary target, Ole Miss was and we unknowingly got caught up in it by hiring Saunders.
Maybe the NCAA needs someone there full time. After being placed on two years probation in 2007, you guys were barely off probation when this latest stuff was going on.
By the way, I literally never heard this rumor until TODAY. And of course, it's coming from ULL fans --who've already been caught with their pants down around their ankles-- and who we all KNOW can't be trusted. You Cajuns are just sad folk.
