(10-12-2015 05:01 PM)RiceOwl53 Wrote: Once again, if we want to see long-term progress we must reevaluate our scheduling. We should schedule one easy win (FCS school or a team like NMSU, Texas State). One rivalry game (Houston, SMU). One or two games against a P5 or Independent we think we can win (Vandy, Iowa State, Kansas, Army). MAYBE one game against a P5 or Independent that we can be competitive, by competitive I mean keep it within 21. (Texas, OSU, Mizzou, Navy, BYU).
With the exception of this years Baylor game, how is our scheduling much different?
FCS: Wagner
Easy game: Army (No Bayou bucket this year)
P5 we could have won: Texas
Hard P5: Baylor
Our problem isn't scheduling. We need to first get to the point where we don't almost lose to FAU and get blown out by WKU. Once we get good enough to not have this happen, then discussing scheduling for a consistent winner makes sense.
Hard scheduling is only contributed to 1 loss this year. Rice managed the other two.
(10-12-2015 05:13 PM)Antarius Wrote: Hard scheduling is only contributed to 1 loss this year. Rice managed the other two.
Eh? Let's see where WKU ends the year, in terms of record or ranking.
I know we don't 'schedule' them per se. But at this point they look like a better team than Texas, at least to me. I would consider them a 'harder' game than the Longhorns.
(10-12-2015 05:01 PM)RiceOwl53 Wrote: Once again, if we want to see long-term progress we must reevaluate our scheduling. We should schedule one easy win (FCS school or a team like NMSU, Texas State). One rivalry game (Houston, SMU). One or two games against a P5 or Independent we think we can win (Vandy, Iowa State, Kansas, Army). MAYBE one game against a P5 or Independent that we can be competitive, by competitive I mean keep it within 21. (Texas, OSU, Mizzou, Navy, BYU).
Consistent scheduling of this type of season would win us upward of 10 games every year. With wins come publicity and recruits. Everyone loves a winner and if Rice was 9-0 or 8-1 toward the end of the season it'd be difficult for me to believe more people would not come to games. Plus, being able to say to a recruit (and prove it) that you can win 10 games and beat a P5 school every year is huge. Then recruiting improves and we can finally start being competitive with the likes of Baylor, TCU or A&M.
I know I will be shouted down by those who say no one cares if we win or who we beat if we haven't beaten a Top 10 team. Maybe even those who say it isn't possible to do these things (which I don't see why not). There will also be those who don't care and just want DB fired because he is DB and they will never be happy with what he does. But I sincerely believe this could work and make Rice into a threat like Boise State. Not to mention we have the ability to say we're in Houston with a great education. Not in Boise with a degree barely above a junior college.
If you don't believe this kind of scheduling will get you noticed, go look at Houston's schedule this year. I'll list it here but if you don't believe me google it for yourself.
Not exactly a powerhouse of an out of conference schedule (and by that I mean their toughest test is Navy), one very beatable P5 team, and a conference "no one cares about" yet they are undefeated and number 24 in the nation.
Completely agree with your scheduling philosophy (substituting Baylor this year for a Houston/SMU) type, but that schedule won't magically manufacture 10 wins on a consistent basis. Gotta have the caliber of players, coaches, facilities and financial and administrative commitment from the university (to spearhead #2 and #3, which in turn spearhead #1) as well. I don't think we have any of those four aspects right now to make 10 win seasons a reality every year or even every other year.
(10-12-2015 05:01 PM)RiceOwl53 Wrote: Once again, if we want to see long-term progress we must reevaluate our scheduling. We should schedule one easy win (FCS school or a team like NMSU, Texas State). One rivalry game (Houston, SMU). One or two games against a P5 or Independent we think we can win (Vandy, Iowa State, Kansas, Army). MAYBE one game against a P5 or Independent that we can be competitive, by competitive I mean keep it within 21. (Texas, OSU, Mizzou, Navy, BYU).
With the exception of this years Baylor game, how is our scheduling much different?
FCS: Wagner
Easy game: Army (No Bayou bucket this year)
P5 we could have won: Texas
Hard P5: Baylor
Our problem isn't scheduling. We need to first get to the point where we don't almost lose to FAU and get blown out by WKU. Once we get good enough to not have this happen, then discussing scheduling for a consistent winner makes sense.
Hard scheduling is only contributed to 1 loss this year. Rice managed the other two.
That's my point. Shouldn't even have Baylor. UH doesn't. WKU will probably win conference. UT is not what I have in mind when scheduling a P5 team we could beat. Notice my breakdown. I'd expect to be competitive with them and possibly win. It's like you pick and choose, then distort what is said to make it in your favor. You're almost as good at it as Obama.
(10-12-2015 05:13 PM)Antarius Wrote: Hard scheduling is only contributed to 1 loss this year. Rice managed the other two.
Eh? Let's see where WKU ends the year, in terms of record or ranking.
I know we don't 'schedule' them per se. But at this point they look like a better team than Texas, at least to me. I would consider them a 'harder' game than the Longhorns.
They're in Conference. So, we don't have a choice.
(10-12-2015 05:01 PM)RiceOwl53 Wrote: Once again, if we want to see long-term progress we must reevaluate our scheduling. We should schedule one easy win (FCS school or a team like NMSU, Texas State). One rivalry game (Houston, SMU). One or two games against a P5 or Independent we think we can win (Vandy, Iowa State, Kansas, Army). MAYBE one game against a P5 or Independent that we can be competitive, by competitive I mean keep it within 21. (Texas, OSU, Mizzou, Navy, BYU).
With the exception of this years Baylor game, how is our scheduling much different?
FCS: Wagner
Easy game: Army (No Bayou bucket this year)
P5 we could have won: Texas
Hard P5: Baylor
Our problem isn't scheduling. We need to first get to the point where we don't almost lose to FAU and get blown out by WKU. Once we get good enough to not have this happen, then discussing scheduling for a consistent winner makes sense.
Hard scheduling is only contributed to 1 loss this year. Rice managed the other two.
That's my point. Shouldn't even have Baylor. UH doesn't. WKU will probably win conference. UT is not what I have in mind when scheduling a P5 team we could beat. Notice my breakdown. I'd expect to be competitive with them and possibly win. It's like you pick and choose, then distort what is said to make it in your favor. You're almost as good at it as Obama.
I agreed that Baylor was a much harder game. That doesn't address that the rest of the games were winnable. And if you exclude Baylor, we have 2 losses, including one in conference.
The distortion seems more on your side - once the scheduling lie was exposed, then you twist things to make excuses. "WKU will probably win conference" - im sure Boise (who you suggested as a path to emulate) was fine with losing in conference games to decent teams.
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(10-12-2015 05:01 PM)RiceOwl53 Wrote: Once again, if we want to see long-term progress we must reevaluate our scheduling. We should schedule one easy win (FCS school or a team like NMSU, Texas State). One rivalry game (Houston, SMU). One or two games against a P5 or Independent we think we can win (Vandy, Iowa State, Kansas, Army). MAYBE one game against a P5 or Independent that we can be competitive, by competitive I mean keep it within 21. (Texas, OSU, Mizzou, Navy, BYU).
With the exception of this years Baylor game, how is our scheduling much different?
FCS: Wagner
Easy game: Army (No Bayou bucket this year)
P5 we could have won: Texas
Hard P5: Baylor
Our problem isn't scheduling. We need to first get to the point where we don't almost lose to FAU and get blown out by WKU. Once we get good enough to not have this happen, then discussing scheduling for a consistent winner makes sense.
Hard scheduling is only contributed to 1 loss this year. Rice managed the other two.
That's my point. Shouldn't even have Baylor. UH doesn't. WKU will probably win conference. UT is not what I have in mind when scheduling a P5 team we could beat. Notice my breakdown. I'd expect to be competitive with them and possibly win. It's like you pick and choose, then distort what is said to make it in your favor. You're almost as good at it as Obama.
I agreed that Baylor was a much harder game. That doesn't address that the rest of the games were winnable. And if you exclude Baylor, we have 2 losses, including one in conference.
The distortion seems more on your side - once the scheduling lie was exposed, then you twist things to make excuses. "WKU will probably win conference" - im sure Boise (who you suggested as a path to emulate) was fine with losing in conference games to decent teams.
You can't be serious. It's literally in writing above saying that UT is a game I want to be competitive in. So that was accomplished. WKU is a very good team. Do I think we could have beaten them? Yes. But we didn't. They're in our conference, can't get around scheduling them. But who knows UH could lose to UConn.
By the way it's still possible for Rice to get 10 wins this year. So, my goal would still be intact even with a game not preferably to be on the schedule.
(10-12-2015 05:01 PM)RiceOwl53 Wrote: Once again, if we want to see long-term progress we must reevaluate our scheduling. We should schedule one easy win (FCS school or a team like NMSU, Texas State). One rivalry game (Houston, SMU). One or two games against a P5 or Independent we think we can win (Vandy, Iowa State, Kansas, Army). MAYBE one game against a P5 or Independent that we can be competitive, by competitive I mean keep it within 21. (Texas, OSU, Mizzou, Navy, BYU).
Consistent scheduling of this type of season would win us upward of 10 games every year. With wins come publicity and recruits. Everyone loves a winner and if Rice was 9-0 or 8-1 toward the end of the season it'd be difficult for me to believe more people would not come to games. Plus, being able to say to a recruit (and prove it) that you can win 10 games and beat a P5 school every year is huge. Then recruiting improves and we can finally start being competitive with the likes of Baylor, TCU or A&M.
I know I will be shouted down by those who say no one cares if we win or who we beat if we haven't beaten a Top 10 team. Maybe even those who say it isn't possible to do these things (which I don't see why not). There will also be those who don't care and just want DB fired because he is DB and they will never be happy with what he does. But I sincerely believe this could work and make Rice into a threat like Boise State. Not to mention we have the ability to say we're in Houston with a great education. Not in Boise with a degree barely above a junior college.
If you don't believe this kind of scheduling will get you noticed, go look at Houston's schedule this year. I'll list it here but if you don't believe me google it for yourself.
Not exactly a powerhouse of an out of conference schedule (and by that I mean their toughest test is Navy), one very beatable P5 team, and a conference "no one cares about" yet they are undefeated and number 24 in the nation.
Gosh if only we had some two-year time period of extremely favorable scheduling where we strung together the second best record of all schools in the state of Texas.. I bet the next season we would have huge crowds and could get a lot of talk as an Access Bowl contender.
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(10-12-2015 05:01 PM)RiceOwl53 Wrote: Once again, if we want to see long-term progress we must reevaluate our scheduling. We should schedule one easy win (FCS school or a team like NMSU, Texas State). One rivalry game (Houston, SMU). One or two games against a P5 or Independent we think we can win (Vandy, Iowa State, Kansas, Army). MAYBE one game against a P5 or Independent that we can be competitive, by competitive I mean keep it within 21. (Texas, OSU, Mizzou, Navy, BYU).
Consistent scheduling of this type of season would win us upward of 10 games every year. With wins come publicity and recruits. Everyone loves a winner and if Rice was 9-0 or 8-1 toward the end of the season it'd be difficult for me to believe more people would not come to games. Plus, being able to say to a recruit (and prove it) that you can win 10 games and beat a P5 school every year is huge. Then recruiting improves and we can finally start being competitive with the likes of Baylor, TCU or A&M.
I know I will be shouted down by those who say no one cares if we win or who we beat if we haven't beaten a Top 10 team. Maybe even those who say it isn't possible to do these things (which I don't see why not). There will also be those who don't care and just want DB fired because he is DB and they will never be happy with what he does. But I sincerely believe this could work and make Rice into a threat like Boise State. Not to mention we have the ability to say we're in Houston with a great education. Not in Boise with a degree barely above a junior college.
If you don't believe this kind of scheduling will get you noticed, go look at Houston's schedule this year. I'll list it here but if you don't believe me google it for yourself.
Not exactly a powerhouse of an out of conference schedule (and by that I mean their toughest test is Navy), one very beatable P5 team, and a conference "no one cares about" yet they are undefeated and number 24 in the nation.
Completely agree with your scheduling philosophy (substituting Baylor this year for a Houston/SMU) type, but that schedule won't magically manufacture 10 wins on a consistent basis. Gotta have the caliber of players, coaches, facilities and financial and administrative commitment from the university (to spearhead #2 and #3, which in turn spearhead #1) as well. I don't think we have any of those four aspects right now to make 10 win seasons a reality every year or even every other year.
Yes. Very true. However, I think with that kind of scheduling things would come together. My biggest problem is the administrative commitment from the university. I know I am not the only recent grad who feels that we were fighting against most of the school instead of having them on our side.
This particular scheduling argument isn't making much sense. What difference does it make if a less-good team delivers the beatdown? A team as good as WKU would win. So would UH. At least with Baylor, we get the beatdown and the big bag of cash.
(10-12-2015 05:41 PM)Frizzy Owl Wrote: This particular scheduling argument isn't making much sense. What difference does it make if a less-good team delivers the beatdown? A team as good as WKU would win. So would UH. At least with Baylor, we get the beatdown and the big bag of cash.
The "less good" team is way more beatable than Baylor. It just didn't happen with WKU.
Morale of the team after a game against Baylor is extremely low. No one likes losing. Especially when it's big against a team everyone seems to be following now.
Physical health of the team for the season as well. They are bigger, stronger, faster, with more depth. I'd be interested to see injury reports of G5s the week after they play a big P5 team.
(10-12-2015 05:01 PM)RiceOwl53 Wrote: Once again, if we want to see long-term progress we must reevaluate our scheduling. We should schedule one easy win (FCS school or a team like NMSU, Texas State). One rivalry game (Houston, SMU). One or two games against a P5 or Independent we think we can win (Vandy, Iowa State, Kansas, Army). MAYBE one game against a P5 or Independent that we can be competitive, by competitive I mean keep it within 21. (Texas, OSU, Mizzou, Navy, BYU).
Consistent scheduling of this type of season would win us upward of 10 games every year. With wins come publicity and recruits. Everyone loves a winner and if Rice was 9-0 or 8-1 toward the end of the season it'd be difficult for me to believe more people would not come to games. Plus, being able to say to a recruit (and prove it) that you can win 10 games and beat a P5 school every year is huge. Then recruiting improves and we can finally start being competitive with the likes of Baylor, TCU or A&M.
I know I will be shouted down by those who say no one cares if we win or who we beat if we haven't beaten a Top 10 team. Maybe even those who say it isn't possible to do these things (which I don't see why not). There will also be those who don't care and just want DB fired because he is DB and they will never be happy with what he does. But I sincerely believe this could work and make Rice into a threat like Boise State. Not to mention we have the ability to say we're in Houston with a great education. Not in Boise with a degree barely above a junior college.
If you don't believe this kind of scheduling will get you noticed, go look at Houston's schedule this year. I'll list it here but if you don't believe me google it for yourself.
Not exactly a powerhouse of an out of conference schedule (and by that I mean their toughest test is Navy), one very beatable P5 team, and a conference "no one cares about" yet they are undefeated and number 24 in the nation.
Gosh if only we had some two-year time period of extremely favorable scheduling where we strung together the second best record of all schools in the state of Texas.. I bet the next season we would have huge crowds and could get a lot of talk as an Access Bowl contender.
Don't bother. No amount of fact will help this discussion.
Rice football is ******. Maybe the people that dont see it now will finally get it when the ship goes completely underwater
(10-12-2015 05:01 PM)RiceOwl53 Wrote: If you don't believe this kind of scheduling will get you noticed, go look at Houston's schedule this year. I'll list it here but if you don't believe me google it for yourself.
Not exactly a powerhouse of an out of conference schedule (and by that I mean their toughest test is Navy), one very beatable P5 team, and a conference "no one cares about" yet they are undefeated and number 24 in the nation.
(10-12-2015 05:40 PM)RiceOwl53 Wrote: My biggest problem is the administrative commitment from the university. I know I am not the only recent grad who feels that we were fighting against most of the school instead of having them on our side.
And yet I'm sure those anti-football elements at Rice will applaud these sentiments of yours re: Bailiff and scheduling fully. Even they can see where the current trajectory leads.
(10-12-2015 05:55 PM)Antarius Wrote: Rice football is f****d. Maybe the people that dont see it now will finally get it when the ship goes completely underwater
Hell of a fan right there.
You probably wore burnt orange out to the bars in Austin on Saturday afternoon didn't you? Or maybe bought a purple and black polo in Ft. Worth late Saturday night? Shoot, who knows, may have even snagged some green and yellow gear in Waco at halftime of the game in Lawrence. Might have even bought all three at Wal-Mart to get ready for this coming weekend!
I'm sorry man, but no one likes or respects fans like you.
(10-12-2015 05:01 PM)RiceOwl53 Wrote: Once again, if we want to see long-term progress we must reevaluate our scheduling. We should schedule one easy win (FCS school or a team like NMSU, Texas State). One rivalry game (Houston, SMU). One or two games against a P5 or Independent we think we can win (Vandy, Iowa State, Kansas, Army). MAYBE one game against a P5 or Independent that we can be competitive, by competitive I mean keep it within 21. (Texas, OSU, Mizzou, Navy, BYU).
Consistent scheduling of this type of season would win us upward of 10 games every year. With wins come publicity and recruits. Everyone loves a winner and if Rice was 9-0 or 8-1 toward the end of the season it'd be difficult for me to believe more people would not come to games. Plus, being able to say to a recruit (and prove it) that you can win 10 games and beat a P5 school every year is huge. Then recruiting improves and we can finally start being competitive with the likes of Baylor, TCU or A&M.
I know I will be shouted down by those who say no one cares if we win or who we beat if we haven't beaten a Top 10 team. Maybe even those who say it isn't possible to do these things (which I don't see why not). There will also be those who don't care and just want DB fired because he is DB and they will never be happy with what he does. But I sincerely believe this could work and make Rice into a threat like Boise State. Not to mention we have the ability to say we're in Houston with a great education. Not in Boise with a degree barely above a junior college.
If you don't believe this kind of scheduling will get you noticed, go look at Houston's schedule this year. I'll list it here but if you don't believe me google it for yourself.
Not exactly a powerhouse of an out of conference schedule (and by that I mean their toughest test is Navy), one very beatable P5 team, and a conference "no one cares about" yet they are undefeated and number 24 in the nation.
Completely agree with your scheduling philosophy (substituting Baylor this year for a Houston/SMU) type, but that schedule won't magically manufacture 10 wins on a consistent basis. Gotta have the caliber of players, coaches, facilities and financial and administrative commitment from the university (to spearhead #2 and #3, which in turn spearhead #1) as well. I don't think we have any of those four aspects right now to make 10 win seasons a reality every year or even every other year.
Yes. Very true. However, I think with that kind of scheduling things would come together. My biggest problem is the administrative commitment from the university. I know I am not the only recent grad who feels that we were fighting against most of the school instead of having them on our side.
Agreed. I personally don't think Bailiff (or his current staff of assistants) have the coaching capabilities to take us to that 10-win level / top 50 team level on a consistent basis, but Karlgaard, the board and donors are smoking something good if they think we are going to magically become a top 50 team consistently by spending the same amount of money on coaches/facilities that we are now.
(10-12-2015 05:41 PM)Frizzy Owl Wrote: This particular scheduling argument isn't making much sense. What difference does it make if a less-good team delivers the beatdown? A team as good as WKU would win. So would UH. At least with Baylor, we get the beatdown and the big bag of cash.
The "less good" team is way more beatable than Baylor. It just didn't happen with WKU.
Morale of the team after a game against Baylor is extremely low. No one likes losing. Especially when it's big against a team everyone seems to be following now.
Physical health of the team for the season as well. They are bigger, stronger, faster, with more depth. I'd be interested to see injury reports of G5s the week after they play a big P5 team.
Well, even if I agreed with your nothing-ventured policy, I'd still point out that scheduling doesn't work that way. It's not possible to prognosticate years in advance who will be good vs who will be too good. When Baylor was scheduled, who could have known they'd be contending for the national championship.
Unless you're saying we should only schedule teams that are always bad.
(10-12-2015 05:55 PM)Antarius Wrote: Rice football is f****d. Maybe the people that dont see it now will finally get it when the ship goes completely underwater
Hell of a fan right there.
You probably wore burnt orange out to the bars in Austin on Saturday afternoon didn't you? Or maybe bought a purple and black polo in Ft. Worth late Saturday night? Shoot, who knows, may have even snagged some green and yellow gear in Waco at halftime of the game in Lawrence. Might have even bought all three at Wal-Mart to get ready for this coming weekend!
I'm sorry man, but no one likes or respects fans like you.
Straight to the personal attacks. Wow.
You have no idea what kind of fan I am. I am one of the fans who sees the inevitable decline and complete and irrecoverable irrelevance facing our program and am trying to change that. But because I am critical, it makes me a T Shirt fan.
Your attitude is whats making me reconsider renewing season tickets. If you are a representative of the university and Rice Football, then maybe supporting it is a mistake.
Disgusting. Thats what this is
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(10-12-2015 06:04 PM)westsidewolf1989 Wrote: ... Karlgaard, the board and donors are smoking something good if they think we are going to magically become a top 50 team consistently by spending the same amount of money on coaches/facilities that we are now.
Why would you imagine they ARE thinking this? Karlgaard has been pretty consistent in his message that he's focused on increasing revenue. And he's set as a goal Top 25 performance. I have trouble imagining he expects to spend lower-tier money and produce top tier performance.
(10-12-2015 05:55 PM)Antarius Wrote: Rice football is f****d. Maybe the people that dont see it now will finally get it when the ship goes completely underwater
Hell of a fan right there.
You probably wore burnt orange out to the bars in Austin on Saturday afternoon didn't you? Or maybe bought a purple and black polo in Ft. Worth late Saturday night? Shoot, who knows, may have even snagged some green and yellow gear in Waco at halftime of the game in Lawrence. Might have even bought all three at Wal-Mart to get ready for this coming weekend!
I'm sorry man, but no one likes or respects fans like you.
Straight to the personal attacks. Wow.
You have no idea what kind of fan I am. I am one of the fans who sees the inevitable decline and complete and irrecoverable irrelevance facing our program and am trying to change that. But because I am critical, it makes me a T Shirt fan.
Your attitude is whats making me reconsider renewing season tickets. If you are a representative of the university and Rice Football, then maybe supporting it is a mistake.
