RE: When scheduling a FCS team goes terribly wrong
(10-11-2015 08:24 PM)baruna falls Wrote:
(10-11-2015 08:17 PM)BRtransplant Wrote:
(10-11-2015 07:43 PM)baruna falls Wrote:
(10-11-2015 07:05 PM)geef Wrote:
(10-11-2015 06:18 PM)baruna falls Wrote: Wonder how much this alters CUSA in eyes of football committee and TV negotiations.
I work at Portland State. It's an urban university, and the football team is nearly nonexistent. The coach, in fact, is an interim coach after last year's HC got fired. Word is that he's interim because the university is having a debate about whether to actually keep sponsoring football. Meanwhile, they go out and beat Washington State and North Texas. PSU is having a good year, but it's not as if they're any sort of FCS power (at all). They're a school in a big city where a bunch of Pac-12 transfers land.
Sadly for G5 teams, it looks like a few FCS conferences are more or less on par now with the Sun Belt and CUSA. I think we'll continue to see the G5 draw closer to FCS levels than their peers in FBS.
Good info. I think the AAC is the lone G5 conference that has a chance at football relevance. North Texas fans are a good bunch. The truth however, is that CUSA is a sinking ship and the North Texas loss will only make it more difficult for CUSA and it's tv contract.
CUSA was the top ranked G5 conference in football last year. Better than the AAC. The bottom half of CUSA is very weak this year, but so is the bottom half of every other conference, including the AAC. That has always been the case. Programs cycle. Nobody stays on top, or on bottom forever.
Things are different now, with the exposure the AAC has and lack of exposure for CUSA, the two brands will continue to move in different directions. Sure we will have down years, but the branding damage will already have been done to CUSA.
What does a TV network get in exchange for CUSA? I think the next CUSA contract will tell us if CUSA can compete like it needs to to keep up with the AAC.
I believe this is why BB stepped down from CUSA. He saw the writing on the wall for the conference.
No one cares about the ratings you are referring to but CUSA fans. What ever metric was used for the top spot matters nothing in terms of tv money and national perception. This is why Marshall received no respect from the playoff committee. The perception is that CUSA has weaker teams than the AAC.
No one cares about G5 football period except for those of us in it. If you think anyone outside of the AAC pays any attention to the AAC conference standings, you're kidding yourself.
The creation of the P5 has separated the major conferences from the minor conferences, and that separation will continue to grow larger and larger each and every year. What this conversation is really about is who the tallest midget is among us. If it makes you feel any better, I'll concede the title of tallest midgets to you guys in the AAC.
RE: When scheduling a FCS team goes terribly wrong
(10-12-2015 05:21 PM)PaulDel2 Wrote:
(10-11-2015 07:43 PM)baruna falls Wrote:
(10-11-2015 07:05 PM)geef Wrote:
(10-11-2015 06:18 PM)baruna falls Wrote:
(10-11-2015 02:38 PM)B easy Wrote:
Wonder how much this alters CUSA in eyes of football committee and TV negotiations.
I work at Portland State. It's an urban university, and the football team is nearly nonexistent. The coach, in fact, is an interim coach after last year's HC got fired. Word is that he's interim because the university is having a debate about whether to actually keep sponsoring football. Meanwhile, they go out and beat Washington State and North Texas. PSU is having a good year, but it's not as if they're any sort of FCS power (at all). They're a school in a big city where a bunch of Pac-12 transfers land.
Sadly for G5 teams, it looks like a few FCS conferences are more or less on par now with the Sun Belt and CUSA. I think we'll continue to see the G5 draw closer to FCS levels than their peers in FBS.
Good info. I think the AAC is the lone G5 conference that has a chance at football relevance. North Texas fans are a good bunch. The truth however, is that CUSA is a sinking ship and the North Texas loss will only make it more difficult for CUSA and it's tv contract.
First, I don't know where everyone gets this "lack of exposure" for CUSA from since I have been able to watch nealry every CUSA televised game this year and I don't have a dish or Uverse.
Second, relevance in college football today means a REAL chance to be in the NC playoffs. No G5 team has that chance.
Third, several years ago the SEC, ACC and B1G were frustrated with having to share any of the then BCS bowls with anyone not in what is today the P5. They detested the fact that the BE had access. They didn't consider them worthy. That's not my opinion, that was thiers. They set about to shed the BE and concentrate the power in the hands of what is now the P5 and they have succeeded.
Living in SEC country, I can assure you that if you ask anyone watching CFB on a Saturday, only fans of an AAC school can tell you that they are in the AAC when asked. I have asked that question of people in sports bars watching games on a Saturday and they can't even name the G5 much less what team is in each conference. Those are the people that ESPN, ABC, Fox and CBS want as viewers. We call them WalMart fans. You know, they never set foot on the campus of "(fill in the blank)" but they claim to be a fan, buy and wear their gear (often buying it at Walmart) and show up at a game or viewing whenever that team is on playing.
That is what CFB calls RELEVANT today.
Not worried about sports fan sitting in bar but networks (although thanks for taking the poll about the AAC) wanting to put money and exposure into the AAC vs the other G5.
RE: When scheduling a FCS team goes terribly wrong
(10-12-2015 05:24 PM)BRtransplant Wrote:
(10-11-2015 08:24 PM)baruna falls Wrote:
(10-11-2015 08:17 PM)BRtransplant Wrote:
(10-11-2015 07:43 PM)baruna falls Wrote:
(10-11-2015 07:05 PM)geef Wrote: I work at Portland State. It's an urban university, and the football team is nearly nonexistent. The coach, in fact, is an interim coach after last year's HC got fired. Word is that he's interim because the university is having a debate about whether to actually keep sponsoring football. Meanwhile, they go out and beat Washington State and North Texas. PSU is having a good year, but it's not as if they're any sort of FCS power (at all). They're a school in a big city where a bunch of Pac-12 transfers land.
Sadly for G5 teams, it looks like a few FCS conferences are more or less on par now with the Sun Belt and CUSA. I think we'll continue to see the G5 draw closer to FCS levels than their peers in FBS.
Good info. I think the AAC is the lone G5 conference that has a chance at football relevance. North Texas fans are a good bunch. The truth however, is that CUSA is a sinking ship and the North Texas loss will only make it more difficult for CUSA and it's tv contract.
CUSA was the top ranked G5 conference in football last year. Better than the AAC. The bottom half of CUSA is very weak this year, but so is the bottom half of every other conference, including the AAC. That has always been the case. Programs cycle. Nobody stays on top, or on bottom forever.
Things are different now, with the exposure the AAC has and lack of exposure for CUSA, the two brands will continue to move in different directions. Sure we will have down years, but the branding damage will already have been done to CUSA.
What does a TV network get in exchange for CUSA? I think the next CUSA contract will tell us if CUSA can compete like it needs to to keep up with the AAC.
I believe this is why BB stepped down from CUSA. He saw the writing on the wall for the conference.
No one cares about the ratings you are referring to but CUSA fans. What ever metric was used for the top spot matters nothing in terms of tv money and national perception. This is why Marshall received no respect from the playoff committee. The perception is that CUSA has weaker teams than the AAC.
No one cares about G5 football period except for those of us in it. If you think anyone outside of the AAC pays any attention to the AAC conference standings, you're kidding yourself.
The creation of the P5 has separated the major conferences from the minor conferences, and that separation will continue to grow larger and larger each and every year. What this conversation is really about is who the tallest midget is among us. If it makes you feel any better, I'll concede the title of tallest midgets to you guys in the AAC.
Not worried about G5. Every non power conference should be positioning itself to be as close to the P5 as possible. Our only real competition in the G5 is ourselves. We have to keep Espn in our camp and convincing them we deserve more money
RE: When scheduling a FCS team goes terribly wrong
(10-12-2015 06:09 PM)baruna falls Wrote:
(10-12-2015 05:24 PM)BRtransplant Wrote:
(10-11-2015 08:24 PM)baruna falls Wrote:
(10-11-2015 08:17 PM)BRtransplant Wrote:
(10-11-2015 07:43 PM)baruna falls Wrote: Good info. I think the AAC is the lone G5 conference that has a chance at football relevance. North Texas fans are a good bunch. The truth however, is that CUSA is a sinking ship and the North Texas loss will only make it more difficult for CUSA and it's tv contract.
CUSA was the top ranked G5 conference in football last year. Better than the AAC. The bottom half of CUSA is very weak this year, but so is the bottom half of every other conference, including the AAC. That has always been the case. Programs cycle. Nobody stays on top, or on bottom forever.
Things are different now, with the exposure the AAC has and lack of exposure for CUSA, the two brands will continue to move in different directions. Sure we will have down years, but the branding damage will already have been done to CUSA.
What does a TV network get in exchange for CUSA? I think the next CUSA contract will tell us if CUSA can compete like it needs to to keep up with the AAC.
I believe this is why BB stepped down from CUSA. He saw the writing on the wall for the conference.
No one cares about the ratings you are referring to but CUSA fans. What ever metric was used for the top spot matters nothing in terms of tv money and national perception. This is why Marshall received no respect from the playoff committee. The perception is that CUSA has weaker teams than the AAC.
No one cares about G5 football period except for those of us in it. If you think anyone outside of the AAC pays any attention to the AAC conference standings, you're kidding yourself.
The creation of the P5 has separated the major conferences from the minor conferences, and that separation will continue to grow larger and larger each and every year. What this conversation is really about is who the tallest midget is among us. If it makes you feel any better, I'll concede the title of tallest midgets to you guys in the AAC.
Not worried about G5. Every non power conference should be positioning itself to be as close to the P5 as possible. Our only real competition in the G5 is ourselves. We have to keep Espn in our camp and convincing them we deserve more money
The cuts at ESPN/Disney scheduled for this year and next indicate that they are not going to be throwing money at anyone. I expect the P5 to be surprised during the next round of negotiations. The new model is going to involve online subscriptions.
RE: When scheduling a FCS team goes terribly wrong
(10-11-2015 09:15 PM)B easy Wrote: Unfortunately, you may be more right than wrong as the SAGARIN rankings below indicate. I know SAGARIN isn't absolutely accurate (How is VT & NCSU ranked above ECU?) but it's the most respected indicator these days I guess.
ACC
5 Clemson
17 Florida State
28 Duke
32 Georgia Tech
33 North Carolina
34 Louisville
41 Pittsburgh
44 Virginia Tech
48 NC State
49 Miami-Florida
67 Boston College
78 Syracuse
80 Virginia
82 Wake Forest
Mean: 46
AAC
43 Temple
45 Navy
47 Houston
50 Memphis
60 East Carolina
66 Cincinnati
87 South Florida
91 Connecticut
95 Tulsa
122 SMU
132 Tulane
134 Central Florida(UCF)
Mean: 81
Naw Billy. I know you admittedly indicated that Sargin isn't 100% perfect, but that is flat laughable.
87 South Florida
91 Connecticut
95 Tulsa
122 SMU
132 Tulane
Would beat the life out of Wake Forest and UVA probably Cuse and BC too. No one has a clue what NCSU really has and how they're ranked ahead of or comparable too
47 Houston
50 Memphis
60 East Carolina
66 Cincinnati
is completely **** sauce. Ranking VT higher than those four is a joke too. Those rankings don't prove anything.
RE: When scheduling a FCS team goes terribly wrong
They're is lot of hating going on against the 'American' by other G5 folks, here I see. Hate on with with your Ph.d's, the "American' is going to keeping on winning and you haters keep on hatin. Cause you hate to see the "American' winning, but winning is what we are going to keep on doing.
(This post was last modified: 10-13-2015 03:41 PM by BIgCatonProwl.)
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When scheduling a FCS team goes terribly wrong
