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FYI, Florida QB Will Grier suspended for season for testing positive for performance enhancing drugs.
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(10-12-2015 12:07 PM)uhcoog27 Wrote:  
(10-12-2015 11:17 AM)WIowl Wrote:  UH fires their coach with a winning record (0.564), takes a gamble, and is now ranked #24 in AP poll:

http://espn.go.com/college-football/rankings

But, but, but….we have unprecedented success!

I'm not sure how much of a gamble it was. Our AD had feelers out before the trigger was pulled. He knew the interest and was confident he could find a quality replacement. Herman was about the safest hire you could make.

The funny thing is, most UH fans believe it was totally within Levine's grasp to be a much more successful coach (considering the roster and new stadium). But loyalty hurt him. He gave Travis Bush a second chance to be OC after a dismal interim stint. And then he stayed with O'Korn at QB far too long. He wasn't willing to take risks. Even moderate ones.

If Levine sticks Ward in at QB a few games earlier, he's still our head coach. I've got no doubt.

I really wish Rice would hire Doug Meacham. Great recruiter at Oklahoma State. He was solid calling plays for us. And has obviously done great things at TCU. But he's never been a head coach. Maybe that's a knock on the guy. But I got to believe he'd be hungry to prove he can captain his own ship.

Tony Levine still lives out here in my neck of the woods. Not far from Bailiff's house at all. I wouldn't be surprised at all if he gets back into the coaching industry by next season, and if we had a significant opening on our staff (such as a coordinator spot), I could definitely see Bailiff talking to him. Unlike others, I don't think we'll have a change in the head spot unless we had a series of 2-4 win seasons.
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RE: Other Scores Week 6
(10-12-2015 01:33 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  
(10-12-2015 12:07 PM)uhcoog27 Wrote:  
(10-12-2015 11:17 AM)WIowl Wrote:  UH fires their coach with a winning record (0.564), takes a gamble, and is now ranked #24 in AP poll:

http://espn.go.com/college-football/rankings

But, but, but….we have unprecedented success!

I'm not sure how much of a gamble it was. Our AD had feelers out before the trigger was pulled. He knew the interest and was confident he could find a quality replacement. Herman was about the safest hire you could make.

The funny thing is, most UH fans believe it was totally within Levine's grasp to be a much more successful coach (considering the roster and new stadium). But loyalty hurt him. He gave Travis Bush a second chance to be OC after a dismal interim stint. And then he stayed with O'Korn at QB far too long. He wasn't willing to take risks. Even moderate ones.

If Levine sticks Ward in at QB a few games earlier, he's still our head coach. I've got no doubt.

I really wish Rice would hire Doug Meacham. Great recruiter at Oklahoma State. He was solid calling plays for us. And has obviously done great things at TCU. But he's never been a head coach. Maybe that's a knock on the guy. But I got to believe he'd be hungry to prove he can captain his own ship.

Tony Levine still lives out here in my neck of the woods. Not far from Bailiff's house at all. I wouldn't be surprised at all if he gets back into the coaching industry by next season, and if we had a significant opening on our staff (such as a coordinator spot), I could definitely see Bailiff talking to him. Unlike others, I don't think we'll have a change in the head spot unless we had a series of 2-4 win seasons.

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(10-12-2015 01:40 PM)Middle Ages Wrote:  
(10-12-2015 01:33 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  Unlike others, I don't think we'll have a change in the head spot unless we had a series of 2-4 win seasons.

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Why do you believe this? I'm not asking your opinion on Bailiff or his performance - I have no interest in that debate - but rather why you think that Joe Karlgaard, David Leebron et al would wait until we've sunk to bottom or near bottom of CUSA, for multiple seasons no less, before making a move.

ETA: The one thing that is keeping me from engaging in the hand wringing is that I've seen and heard many reasons to believe that Joe Karlgaard is doing a terrific job as AD. I'm comfortable knowing that he's articulated steep goals for our athletic department and that he has a pretty good understanding of how to achieve them. And I haven't seen anything (yet) to make me think that multiple terrible football seasons would be tolerated.
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Not that I disagree with FBO/MA, look at 2009-2011 where we were at 2 to 4 wins for multiple seasons and still didn't Fire Bailiff, but it's amazing to consider how poorly the team would have to perform to do that against our current schedule.
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(10-12-2015 01:56 PM)At Ease Wrote:  ...look at 2009-2011 where we were at 2 to 4 wins for multiple seasons and still didn't Fire Bailiff...

Greenspan?
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(10-12-2015 02:19 PM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  
(10-12-2015 01:56 PM)At Ease Wrote:  ...look at 2009-2011 where we were at 2 to 4 wins for multiple seasons and still didn't Fire Bailiff...

Greenspan?

For which I am grateful. Lord know the kind of weasel that Greenspan would have picked.
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(10-12-2015 01:51 PM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  
(10-12-2015 01:40 PM)Middle Ages Wrote:  
(10-12-2015 01:33 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  Unlike others, I don't think we'll have a change in the head spot unless we had a series of 2-4 win seasons.

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Why do you believe this? I'm not asking your opinion on Bailiff or his performance - I have no interest in that debate - but rather why you think that Joe Karlgaard, David Leebron et al would wait until we've sunk to bottom or near bottom of CUSA, for multiple seasons no less, before making a move.

ETA: The one thing that is keeping me from engaging in the hand wringing is that I've seen and heard many reasons to believe that Joe Karlgaard is doing a terrific job as AD. I'm comfortable knowing that he's articulated steep goals for our athletic department and that he has a pretty good understanding of how to achieve them. And I haven't seen anything (yet) to make me think that multiple terrible football seasons would be tolerated.

1- I am not passing judgement on the actual decision one way or another
2- I could easily be proven wrong

Having said the above, I just don't think it's a priority to those in charge currently. As even his detractors acknowledge- DB does many things in an exemplary fashion, gets Rice, etc. He won a conference championship two years ago and has been bowling 3 years in a row- winning 2. While there have been embarrassments (La Tech, Baylor, WKU), we still won 8 last year and are 3-3 this year, likely to be 7-5 or 8-4 and bowling again. Regardless of who we play, I don't think that is going to get him fired--and I think he has built up enough goodwill that one 2-4 win season wouldn't do it either. Simply put, the wheels will have to come off IMO for him to get fired.

Now- that is all assuming that Rice does not change or has not changed fundamentally in its approach to football. What I described above is not going to get any notice outside the hedges and certainly is not going to get us an invite to a better conference. If we truly have higher aspirations, then my math above is likely wrong. If the powers-that-be have the (pessimistic/realistic?) attitude of some on his board that a P5 invite is never coming, no matter what we do (which has become my suspicion- the attitude I mean), then really, why would we change anything? We are a winning program with a ton of respect for how we go about it, great kids who graduate, etc.
I could take the truly negative view and say that JK looks at this as a steppingstone and is looking for marginal improvement in revenues, a stable/ conference contending football team, and a surging basketball program to use to move HIMSELF to a P5 conference. I don't really think that is the case, but I also don't see any moves that convince me that any major, program-altering changes are afoot.
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(10-12-2015 02:36 PM)Middle Ages Wrote:  
(10-12-2015 01:51 PM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  
(10-12-2015 01:40 PM)Middle Ages Wrote:  
(10-12-2015 01:33 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  Unlike others, I don't think we'll have a change in the head spot unless we had a series of 2-4 win seasons.

Correct

Why do you believe this? I'm not asking your opinion on Bailiff or his performance - I have no interest in that debate - but rather why you think that Joe Karlgaard, David Leebron et al would wait until we've sunk to bottom or near bottom of CUSA, for multiple seasons no less, before making a move.

ETA: The one thing that is keeping me from engaging in the hand wringing is that I've seen and heard many reasons to believe that Joe Karlgaard is doing a terrific job as AD. I'm comfortable knowing that he's articulated steep goals for our athletic department and that he has a pretty good understanding of how to achieve them. And I haven't seen anything (yet) to make me think that multiple terrible football seasons would be tolerated.

1- I am not passing judgement on the actual decision one way or another
2- I could easily be proven wrong

Having said the above, I just don't think it's a priority to those in charge currently. As even his detractors acknowledge- DB does many things in an exemplary fashion, gets Rice, etc. He won a conference championship two years ago and has been bowling 3 years in a row- winning 2. While there have been embarrassments (La Tech, Baylor, WKU), we still won 8 last year and are 3-3 this year, likely to be 7-5 or 8-4 and bowling again. Regardless of who we play, I don't think that is going to get him fired--and I think he has built up enough goodwill that one 2-4 win season wouldn't do it either. Simply put, the wheels will have to come off IMO for him to get fired.

Now- that is all assuming that Rice does not change or has not changed fundamentally in its approach to football. What I described above is not going to get any notice outside the hedges and certainly is not going to get us an invite to a better conference. If we truly have higher aspirations, then my math above is likely wrong. If the powers-that-be have the (pessimistic/realistic?) attitude of some on his board that a P5 invite is never coming, no matter what we do (which has become my suspicion- the attitude I mean), then really, why would we change anything? I could take the truly negative view and say that JK looks at this as a steppingstone and is looking for marginal improvement in revenues, a stable/ conference contending football team, and a surging basketball program to use to move HIMSELF to a P5 conference. I don't really think that is the case, but I also don't see any moves that convince me that any major, program-altering changes are afoot.

Fair enough. I can't really argue your point and you've certainly got precedent backing it up. And I recognize that my opinion requires some fairly significant assumptions. I'll keep trying to be Optimistic™.
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