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this upcoming week has 3 just HUGE games
11 Florida @ 5 LSU
9 Alabama @ 10 Texas A&M
4 Michigan St @ 14 Michigan
10-11-2015 11:25 AM
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(10-11-2015 11:20 AM)JRsec Wrote:  
(10-11-2015 10:57 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Harbaugh isn't a coach, he is a Psychologist considering how he has gotten into the heads of these kids. The team is still a Hoke recruited team yet it is playing like an entirely different team.

I don't disagree with the psychologist aspect, but I would add teacher. The biggest differences in the Michigan squad this year and those of recent years are fundamentals and technique. They play assignment football, play as a unit, and think through the progressions of the play that is unfolding before them. That's what football is supposed to be about. It's not 11 athletes reacting and doing their own thing.

Psychologists are teachers, at least the ones that deal with patients are. Psychiatrists are pill prescribers. I chose the psychologist term for a reason. Yes, Harbaugh showed the same defensive teaching acumen at Stanford. Still though, the biggest difference to me between last year and this year is the swagger that these Michigan players are playing with. They truly believe in themselves now and the value of that is showing. Harbaugh may have to start holding camps for coaches too after this season.
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(10-11-2015 11:28 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  
(10-11-2015 11:20 AM)JRsec Wrote:  
(10-11-2015 10:57 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Harbaugh isn't a coach, he is a Psychologist considering how he has gotten into the heads of these kids. The team is still a Hoke recruited team yet it is playing like an entirely different team.

I don't disagree with the psychologist aspect, but I would add teacher. The biggest differences in the Michigan squad this year and those of recent years are fundamentals and technique. They play assignment football, play as a unit, and think through the progressions of the play that is unfolding before them. That's what football is supposed to be about. It's not 11 athletes reacting and doing their own thing.

Psychologists are teachers, at least the ones that deal with patients are. Psychiatrists are pill prescribers. I chose the psychologist term for a reason. Yes, Harbaugh showed the same defensive teaching acumen at Stanford. Still though, the biggest difference to me between last year and this year is the swagger that these Michigan players are playing with. They truly believe in themselves now and the value of that is showing. Harbaugh may have to start holding camps for coaches too after this season.

Swagger never won a football game. Unity in play and sound fundamentals win football games. And a psychologist doesn't teach overtly, but does create an environment for self discovery and offers alternate viewpoints to those possessed by their clients.
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You are delusional if you think swagger, or absolute confidence- doesn't win football games.

Or maybe putting it a different way- if you don't have swagger- it sure costs you winning football games. Look at Michigan last year to this year. Last year they didn't have swagger or confidence. They were 5-7. They have it this year, with pretty close to the same team- and they're 5-1.
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Throwing the ball to the wrong team doesn't win many games either. 03-banghead
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(10-11-2015 11:06 AM)stever20 Wrote:  amazing stat about Michigan right now..... They are the #2 team in the country in MOV(with wins capped at 30 points per game). Only team better than them- Baylor.

And want to hear something else pretty amazing. Who is #4? Ohio St(even with them just toying with their opponents). Talk about perception not being necessarily reality. 18.2 ppg.

30 seems low to me, it should at least be 40-42.
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Hoke didn't really leave a bare cupboard either. It is all a psychological turn around.
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(10-11-2015 07:28 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  At least Portland State did not put 92 points in a shutout win like Lenoir-Rhyne did last night. Lenoir played University of Faith. The game, the win and stats do not count anyways.

Who gives a ****?
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(10-11-2015 11:48 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  Throwing the ball to the wrong team doesn't win many games either. 03-banghead

Tell me about it. Sigh.
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(10-11-2015 11:47 AM)stever20 Wrote:  You are delusional if you think swagger, or absolute confidence- doesn't win football games.

Or maybe putting it a different way- if you don't have swagger- it sure costs you winning football games. Look at Michigan last year to this year. Last year they didn't have swagger or confidence. They were 5-7. They have it this year, with pretty close to the same team- and they're 5-1.
But last year, they could have had plenty of swagger going into the season, and lack of playing as a team and lack of individual skills would still have beaten that swagger out of them.

A defense does not whitewash opposition offenses on swagger alone ... they do it on working together as unit, each individually accomplishing the task allocated to them, and covering for each other when a good play by an offensive player creates what could be an opening. OTOH, learning how to do that, and being convinced that they are learning how to do that, and then seeing the result on the field ... that defense is going to start showing some swagger, because they believe that they have earned the right.

They had the players last year ... those players just didn't play up to their potential.

And in a slightly different part of the state, quoth I yesterday:
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(10-10-2015 10:24 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  I'd like to present as evidence of media bias ... Michigan State. They are doing their best FSU 2014 impression, escaping against everybody including really bad teams. And we spent alllllllll year hearing how FSU maybe shouldn't make the playoff and how they're really doing poorly. If the CFP Poll comes out to day and it is honest ... Michigan State should be getting the full FSU 2014 treatment.
First the media bias has to happen ... after a lackluster win against Purdue last week, MSU dropped two spots in the AP (more than the one spot in the coaches poll) ... if MSU takes this one narrowly, as now seems likely, and if they drop another one or two spots in the media poll, despite having fewer undefeated teams going in, then that wouldn't seem like media bias.

It seems like what Robert Smith said on Sports Center may be true ... Michigan State is good, not great. Meanwhile, That School Up North seems to have remembered what a Defense is, and as sometimes happens when you rediscover an old favorite, seems to really be enjoying it.
And, sure enough, the media penalized MSU for another lackluster win over what ought to be beatable competition, placing MSU at 7th in the AP poll, where the coaches place them 4th. So no substantial media bias there.

Now, you could argue that MSU is 11th in the ESPN power rankings, behind That School Up North at 9th, but if the power rankings are predictive of their future results, then they'll be heading there sooner rather than later.
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(10-11-2015 02:59 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(10-11-2015 11:48 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  Throwing the ball to the wrong team doesn't win many games either. 03-banghead

Tell me about it. Sigh.

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(10-12-2015 08:27 AM)jrj84105 Wrote:  
(10-11-2015 02:59 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(10-11-2015 11:48 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  Throwing the ball to the wrong team doesn't win many games either. 03-banghead
Tell me about it. Sigh.
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Enjoy it while it lasts, dude. You never know when you'll get the chance again. 04-cheers
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(10-12-2015 09:37 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  
(10-12-2015 08:27 AM)jrj84105 Wrote:  
(10-11-2015 02:59 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(10-11-2015 11:48 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  Throwing the ball to the wrong team doesn't win many games either. 03-banghead
Tell me about it. Sigh.
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Enjoy it while it lasts, dude. You never know when you'll get the chance again. 04-cheers
Well, if things go well for Utah and Cal, it could be next month. I'd honestly rather play Stanford than Goff again.
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(10-11-2015 08:40 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  And, sure enough, the media penalized MSU for another lackluster win over what ought to be beatable competition, placing MSU at 7th in the AP poll, where the coaches place them 4th. So no substantial media bias there.

Now, you could argue that MSU is 11th in the ESPN power rankings, behind That School Up North at 9th, but if the power rankings are predictive of their future results, then they'll be heading there sooner rather than later.

Good, if late. Their high ranking was predicated on Oregon being good. Instead Oregon wants to challenge GT and Arizona State for most implosion-esk season.
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(10-12-2015 02:53 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  
(10-11-2015 08:40 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  And, sure enough, the media penalized MSU for another lackluster win over what ought to be beatable competition, placing MSU at 7th in the AP poll, where the coaches place them 4th. So no substantial media bias there.

Now, you could argue that MSU is 11th in the ESPN power rankings, behind That School Up North at 9th, but if the power rankings are predictive of their future results, then they'll be heading there sooner rather than later.

Good, if late. Their high ranking was predicated on Oregon being good. Instead Oregon wants to challenge GT and Arizona State for most implosion-esk season.

I am actually in agreement with you. Personally, I think Michigan is going to spank Michigan State this coming weekend and that will put this issue to rest. MSU has been the defensive power previously, their defense is injured right now and is very porous where as the Michigan defense may very well be the best defense in the country considering the competition they have played against.

Michigan's offense is even outscoring MSU's.
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(10-11-2015 02:57 PM)utpotts Wrote:  
(10-11-2015 07:28 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  At least Portland State did not put 92 points in a shutout win like Lenoir-Rhyne did last night. Lenoir played University of Faith. The game, the win and stats do not count anyways.

Who gives a ****?


All I was saying that North Texas lost could have been worst like if they lost to Portland State 92-0.
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(10-12-2015 11:01 AM)jrj84105 Wrote:  
(10-12-2015 09:37 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  
(10-12-2015 08:27 AM)jrj84105 Wrote:  
(10-11-2015 02:59 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(10-11-2015 11:48 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  Throwing the ball to the wrong team doesn't win many games either. 03-banghead
Tell me about it. Sigh.
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Enjoy it while it lasts, dude. You never know when you'll get the chance again. 04-cheers
Well, if things go well for Utah and Cal, it could be next month. I'd honestly rather play Stanford than Goff again.
Well, good luck with that wish then. 04-cheers
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(10-12-2015 02:53 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  
(10-11-2015 08:40 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  And, sure enough, the media penalized MSU for another lackluster win over what ought to be beatable competition, placing MSU at 7th in the AP poll, where the coaches place them 4th. So no substantial media bias there.

Now, you could argue that MSU is 11th in the ESPN power rankings, behind That School Up North at 9th, but if the power rankings are predictive of their future results, then they'll be heading there sooner rather than later.

Good, if late. Their high ranking was predicated on Oregon being good. Instead Oregon wants to challenge GT and Arizona State for most implosion-esk season.
But hindsight is 20/20 ... it would take a working crystal ball to know that Oregon lost because this was going to be an implosion year rather than Oregon lost because MSU was very, very good.

The coaches poll leaving MSU up as high as it has done could be persuasively argued to be bias ... but then it wouldn't be media bias, it would be the biases that go into the coach's poll.
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