Brett McMurphy ‏@McMurphyESPN 1h1 hour ago
Air Force joins Navy, Army, BYU, Cincinnati & UConn as teams that meet Big Ten’s requirement to play Power5 non-league team via @BennettESPN

Air Force plays at Michigan in 2017. Waiver for counting them as meeting the P5 requirement, just like UConn and Cincy.

Boise St doesn't play Michigan St until 2022 so they'll get a waiver to count BSU as part of the P5 requirement when the date gets closer.

Don't know why the Big Ten office is still playing this silly game, when it's obvious that if any Big Ten team doesn't have a P5 opponent on any future non-conference schedule, they'll just call one of the three teams on the schedule a designated P5 team.

Why not? The AAC and MWC are basically leftover power-light conferences with budgets and histories to suggest power conference but generally on-field/on-court performance to suggest G5 conference. I'd say Boise and Houston, at least should "count" in addition to the schools listed in the OP. Maybe ECU too.

(10-08-2015 12:15 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  Air Force plays at Michigan in 2017. Waiver for counting them as meeting the P5 requirement, just like UConn and Cincy.

Boise St doesn't play Michigan St until 2022 so they'll get a waiver to count BSU as part of the P5 requirement when the date gets closer.

Michigan already playing Florida in week 1 in 2017.

(10-08-2015 12:21 PM)Wedge Wrote:  Don't know why the Big Ten office is still playing this silly game, when it's obvious that if any Big Ten team doesn't have a P5 opponent on any future non-conference schedule, they'll just call one of the three teams on the schedule a designated P5 team.

Not quite. Navy isn't on any future Big Ten schedules and Michigan already has Florida the same year as Air Force. Also, it's been reported that one G5 school was already denied this status. Many believe it was USF.

(10-08-2015 12:37 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(10-08-2015 12:21 PM)Wedge Wrote:  Don't know why the Big Ten office is still playing this silly game, when it's obvious that if any Big Ten team doesn't have a P5 opponent on any future non-conference schedule, they'll just call one of the three teams on the schedule a designated P5 team.

Not quite. Navy isn't on any future Big Ten schedules and Michigan already has Florida the same year as Air Force. Also, it's been reported that one G5 school was already denied this status. Many believe it was USF.

They have now addressed the already scheduled G5's. My guess is from here on---if a Big-10 school has an interest in scheduling a G5 school, the question of a waiver will be considered. It will be done on a case by case basis and would likely be determined PRIOR to scheduling the game so the membership can build schedules that comply with the guidelines. It would be very inefficient to ask for a waiver AFTER the game is scheduled. Better to do so before the game is scheduled so the AD's knows the status of their schedule and how it will affect compliance prior to signing a game contract.

(10-08-2015 12:37 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(10-08-2015 12:21 PM)Wedge Wrote:  Don't know why the Big Ten office is still playing this silly game, when it's obvious that if any Big Ten team doesn't have a P5 opponent on any future non-conference schedule, they'll just call one of the three teams on the schedule a designated P5 team.

Not quite. Navy isn't on any future Big Ten schedules and Michigan already has Florida the same year as Air Force. Also, it's been reported that one G5 school was already denied this status. Many believe it was USF.

It's the randomness of the P5 designations that I think is generating all the confusion.

so much for BYU being all that special.

Folks it's all about control they control the agenda and they mean to keep it that way, you maybe become part of the power club, or you may not, we decide, not you. That's the message.

(10-08-2015 12:37 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(10-08-2015 12:21 PM)Wedge Wrote:  Don't know why the Big Ten office is still playing this silly game, when it's obvious that if any Big Ten team doesn't have a P5 opponent on any future non-conference schedule, they'll just call one of the three teams on the schedule a designated P5 team.

Not quite. Navy isn't on any future Big Ten schedules and Michigan already has Florida the same year as Air Force. Also, it's been reported that one G5 school was already denied this status. Many believe it was USF.

Illinois' non-con schedules for 2017 and 2018 are:

Quote:2017
09/02 - Ball State
09/09 - Western Kentucky
09/16 - at USF

2018
09/01 - Kent State
09/08 - Western Illinois
09/15 - USF

If USF isn't a designated P5 team, then is Illinois going to replace one of those opponents with a P5 team? Or will the Big Ten office announce that Ball State and Kent State are designated P5 opponents?

This is why the Big Ten office should just stop playing this game. It's even more fodder for laughs than the "Leaders" and "Legends" division names were.

Delaney said no more FCS teams, so I guess something had to give.

(10-08-2015 12:45 PM)stever20 Wrote:  so much for BYU being all that special.

Yeah, it watering BYU's status down now.

On the other hand, Boise St will now be playing 4 P5 schools this year!
Washington, BYU, Virginia and now Air Force.

Posted this in the other thread, but the moves suggest to me, the big reason for the one team from a power 5 conference rule was for TV reasons more so than strength of schedule. Those games are more appealing in general so they wanted to guarentee some.

That's more of a general rule than an absolute though. The armed service academies are big brands themselves even if have a football ceiling. UConn is the flagship of a big state and a well known name because of basketball. Cincinnati has had a lot of recent success. Boise State I expect will be accepted too.

In short, this wasn't an attempt to really differeniate between power 5 conferences and non, but that label was simply a convienent starting place to try to get stronger schedules for TV. If teams outside those 5 conferences fit the general mold to deliver the same results, the conference will go for it.

(10-08-2015 12:54 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(10-08-2015 12:37 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(10-08-2015 12:21 PM)Wedge Wrote:  Don't know why the Big Ten office is still playing this silly game, when it's obvious that if any Big Ten team doesn't have a P5 opponent on any future non-conference schedule, they'll just call one of the three teams on the schedule a designated P5 team.

Not quite. Navy isn't on any future Big Ten schedules and Michigan already has Florida the same year as Air Force. Also, it's been reported that one G5 school was already denied this status. Many believe it was USF.

Illinois' non-con schedules for 2017 and 2018 are:

Quote:2017
09/02 - Ball State
09/09 - Western Kentucky
09/16 - at USF

2018
09/01 - Kent State
09/08 - Western Illinois
09/15 - USF

If USF isn't a designated P5 team, then is Illinois going to replace one of those opponents with a P5 team? Or will the Big Ten office announce that Ball State and Kent State are designated P5 opponents?

This is why the Big Ten office should just stop playing this game. It's even more fodder for laughs than the "Leaders" and "Legends" division names were.

Don't waist your time with facts Wedge. He's just trying to sling **** on USF like the rest of our conference Trolls.

I think it's a pretty clear pattern:

If a Big Ten school had already scheduled a home-and-home series against a G5 school prior to the finalization of the P5 non-conference requirement, then they'll count those home-and-home series as "P5" opponents so that the schools don't have to buy out any games that would have been played at G5 stadiums. It's almost entirely financial - the Big Ten doesn't want to force its schools to buy out games that have already been scheduled simply to fulfill the new conference scheduling requirements. The same thing is applied with respect to FCS schools - if Big Ten schools have already scheduled those games, then the conference will allow them to honor their contracts.

With that in mind, the real test is who the Big Ten allows exceptions for with respect to non-P5 home-and-home series that are *newly* scheduled.

(10-08-2015 01:12 PM)ohio1317 Wrote:  Posted this in the other thread, but the moves suggest to me, the big reason for the one team from a power 5 conference rule was for TV reasons more so than strength of schedule. Those games are more appealing in general so they wanted to guarentee some.

That's more of a general rule than an absolute though. The armed service academies are big brands themselves even if have a football ceiling. UConn is the flagship of a big state and a well known name because of basketball. Cincinnati has had a lot of recent success. Boise State I expect will be accepted too.

In short, this wasn't an attempt to really differeniate between power 5 conferences and non, but that label was simply a convienent starting place to try to get stronger schedules for TV. If teams outside those 5 conferences fit the general mold to deliver the same results, the conference will go for it.

I think its pretty clear its all about TV. Service academies get good ratings.

EDIT: I do see that none of the service academies have any home games scheduled against Big Ten schools as of now. That's a common link between BYU, Cincinnati and UConn, though. Maybe the Big Ten is simply granting that status to the service academies to be politically correct.

(10-08-2015 12:21 PM)Wedge Wrote:  Don't know why the Big Ten office is still playing this silly game, when it's obvious that if any Big Ten team doesn't have a P5 opponent on any future non-conference schedule, they'll just call one of the three teams on the schedule a designated P5 team.

If you know anything about college football, you know that there's about 15ish programs that could easily be considered P5, but aren't in a P5 conference for whatever reason

BYU, Cincinnati, and UConn are obvious ones....the Academies are obvious.....

you also have Houston, East Carolina, Boise State, UCF, Colorado State, San Diego State, and a few others....

you also have a lot of programs that aren't on the same scale as P5 schools....

(10-08-2015 02:01 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  EDIT: I do see that none of the service academies have any home games scheduled against Big Ten schools as of now. That's a common link between BYU, Cincinnati and UConn, though. Maybe the Big Ten is simply granting that status to the service academies to be politically correct.

Shouldn't the B10 be granting that status to the MAC? The MAC is the conference that is putting in work against the B10.