The Big 10 should at least give Northern Iowa, North Dakota State, South Dakota, South Dakota State and Youngstown State special honors who kept up strong against P5 schools and beaten them.

(10-08-2015 12:10 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  Brett McMurphy ‏@McMurphyESPN 1h1 hour ago
Air Force joins Navy, Army, BYU, Cincinnati & UConn as teams that meet Big Ten’s requirement to play Power5 non-league team via @BennettESPN

Only need 4 more and We have a New P6 Conference !

No offense to anyone here, but this is stupid. If you're P5 you're P5, if you're not you're not. This "pseudo-we'll count them as P5 even though they're not" crap is dumb. I understand wanting to show appreciation to the Service Academies, but it's still kind of lame and dampens the intentions of wanting to play other P5 programs.

(10-08-2015 12:58 PM)TIGER-PAUL Wrote:  Delaney said no more FCS teams, so I guess something had to give.

There will be no way to effectively enforce that if school presidents take heat from state lawmakers who want the intrastate bouts for whatever reason. And since others across the P5 realm won't stop the practice, but will have the same access to the playoff, the Big Ten will soften.

I get the impression, too, that something may be brewing in the Ivy League to find their way to "countable FCS opponent" status. They applied for a waiver for that status back in 2010, and while the request was denied, I don't think the quest ultimately ended with it. And now with the Patriot League at a countable level, and quickly finding their way onto FBS schedules, as well as whatever happens with the status of athletic scholarships and their re-purposing/redefinition, you might see those schools regroup and reapproach...

...and do you think, if Harvard, Cornell, Penn, and Princeton were available, Jim could stop anyone from scheduling them?

(10-09-2015 07:09 AM)Rabbit_in_Red Wrote:  No offense to anyone here, but this is stupid. If you're P5 you're P5, if you're not you're not. This "pseudo-we'll count them as P5 even though they're not" crap is dumb. I understand wanting to show appreciation to the Service Academies, but it's still kind of lame and dampens the intentions of wanting to play other P5 programs.

Right, and if you are FCS, you are FCS. Once all existing contracts are done, there should be no more exceptions.

(10-08-2015 10:56 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  A couple of years ago, ESPN had an alert of an Upset when they gave Okie State problems.
This year and last, UTSA almost beat Arizona.

So a couple "almost" wins is what you're going on? Got it thanks.

(10-08-2015 04:42 PM)goofus Wrote:  

(10-08-2015 02:03 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(10-08-2015 12:21 PM)Wedge Wrote:  Don't know why the Big Ten office is still playing this silly game, when it's obvious that if any Big Ten team doesn't have a P5 opponent on any future non-conference schedule, they'll just call one of the three teams on the schedule a designated P5 team.

If you know anything about college football, you know that there's about 15ish programs that could easily be considered P5, but aren't in a P5 conference for whatever reason

BYU, Cincinnati, and UConn are obvious ones....the Academies are obvious.....

you also have Houston, East Carolina, Boise State, UCF, Colorado State, San Diego State, and a few others....

you also have a lot of programs that aren't on the same scale as P5 schools....

There is nothing obvious about any of those schools. There are reasons they did not make the cut. Academics in some cases, attendence, history, etc. They are what you would call border-line. And sorry it is not obvious service academies should be considered. In fact I am quite confused about this given their current status and limitations.

There are reasons why some schools aren't in the P5 other than great athletic department and good teams. Not all the P5 schools are that great either....

do you really think Baylor or TCU has an overall better football program than BYU? or even East Carolina?

It's not quite as cut and dry as you think....BYU is obviously a P5 type program. They don't have the greatest academics, so that cancels out the B1G and PAC 12...so who would add them?

Cincinnati has made great strides in their program, and much like Louisville, they look like a P5 school now....but who would add them? Not the B1G, because they have that covered with Ohio State. Maybe the Big XII or ACC??

Conference Alignment is NOT a perfect science....you have good programs left outside the P5 conferences. The B1G is simply acknowledging this fact

The service academies are anomalies in the college sports structure...they get respect from the P5 conferences

(10-09-2015 07:09 AM)Rabbit_in_Red Wrote:  No offense to anyone here, but this is stupid. If you're P5 you're P5, if you're not you're not. This "pseudo-we'll count them as P5 even though they're not" crap is dumb. I understand wanting to show appreciation to the Service Academies, but it's still kind of lame and dampens the intentions of wanting to play other P5 programs.

It's not dumb at all....there are programs that are essentially P5 in nature, but they don't fit into the P5 conferences

These are the schools you are seeing get picked as P5 opponents, like BYU and Cincinnati. Coincidently, these are the same schools you hear as potential expansion targets for the Big XII

Conference Alignment is NOT a perfect science, and it really doesn't have to make sense to you....

Army is playing Ohio State and Michigan in the upcoming years. We are going for the big scalps.

(10-09-2015 08:08 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  

(10-08-2015 12:58 PM)TIGER-PAUL Wrote:  Delaney said no more FCS teams, so I guess something had to give.

There will be no way to effectively enforce that if school presidents take heat from state lawmakers who want the intrastate bouts for whatever reason. And since others across the P5 realm won't stop the practice, but will have the same access to the playoff, the Big Ten will soften.

I get the impression, too, that something may be brewing in the Ivy League to find their way to "countable FCS opponent" status. They applied for a waiver for that status back in 2010, and while the request was denied, I don't think the quest ultimately ended with it. And now with the Patriot League at a countable level, and quickly finding their way onto FBS schedules, as well as whatever happens with the status of athletic scholarships and their re-purposing/redefinition, you might see those schools regroup and reapproach...

...and do you think, if Harvard, Cornell, Penn, and Princeton were available, Jim could stop anyone from scheduling them?

Georgetown recently got a $50 million donation for their athletics and they are adding more seats and building up their football facilities and other facilities. The football field would be renamed to the family who donated that much money. Something is brewing with the Patriot League that they are getting money donated to their schools.

(10-09-2015 10:13 AM)bearcatfan1211 Wrote:  

(10-08-2015 10:56 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  A couple of years ago, ESPN had an alert of an Upset when they gave Okie State problems.
This year and last, UTSA almost beat Arizona.

So a couple "almost" wins is what you're going on? Got it thanks.

UTSA only needs a few more key players to be successful. They are almost there on offense, but their defense needs better players.

(10-09-2015 03:48 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(10-09-2015 08:08 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  

(10-08-2015 12:58 PM)TIGER-PAUL Wrote:  Delaney said no more FCS teams, so I guess something had to give.

There will be no way to effectively enforce that if school presidents take heat from state lawmakers who want the intrastate bouts for whatever reason. And since others across the P5 realm won't stop the practice, but will have the same access to the playoff, the Big Ten will soften.

I get the impression, too, that something may be brewing in the Ivy League to find their way to "countable FCS opponent" status. They applied for a waiver for that status back in 2010, and while the request was denied, I don't think the quest ultimately ended with it. And now with the Patriot League at a countable level, and quickly finding their way onto FBS schedules, as well as whatever happens with the status of athletic scholarships and their re-purposing/redefinition, you might see those schools regroup and reapproach...

...and do you think, if Harvard, Cornell, Penn, and Princeton were available, Jim could stop anyone from scheduling them?

Georgetown recently got a $50 million donation for their athletics and they are adding more seats and building up their football facilities and other facilities. The football field would be renamed to the family who donated that much money. Something is brewing with the Patriot League that they are getting money donated to their schools.

Don't read into anything. All schools from NAIA on up get donations for their athletics to improve facilities.

(10-09-2015 03:52 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(10-09-2015 03:48 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(10-09-2015 08:08 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  

(10-08-2015 12:58 PM)TIGER-PAUL Wrote:  Delaney said no more FCS teams, so I guess something had to give.

There will be no way to effectively enforce that if school presidents take heat from state lawmakers who want the intrastate bouts for whatever reason. And since others across the P5 realm won't stop the practice, but will have the same access to the playoff, the Big Ten will soften.

I get the impression, too, that something may be brewing in the Ivy League to find their way to "countable FCS opponent" status. They applied for a waiver for that status back in 2010, and while the request was denied, I don't think the quest ultimately ended with it. And now with the Patriot League at a countable level, and quickly finding their way onto FBS schedules, as well as whatever happens with the status of athletic scholarships and their re-purposing/redefinition, you might see those schools regroup and reapproach...

...and do you think, if Harvard, Cornell, Penn, and Princeton were available, Jim could stop anyone from scheduling them?

Georgetown recently got a $50 million donation for their athletics and they are adding more seats and building up their football facilities and other facilities. The football field would be renamed to the family who donated that much money. Something is brewing with the Patriot League that they are getting money donated to their schools.

Don't read into anything. All schools from NAIA on up get donations for their athletics to improve facilities.

It was a news article from a local news media outlet that mentioned the upgrades and donations and what the school is planning to do with the money.

(10-08-2015 04:40 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(10-08-2015 02:00 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(10-08-2015 01:12 PM)ohio1317 Wrote:  Posted this in the other thread, but the moves suggest to me, the big reason for the one team from a power 5 conference rule was for TV reasons more so than strength of schedule. Those games are more appealing in general so they wanted to guarentee some.

That's more of a general rule than an absolute though. The armed service academies are big brands themselves even if have a football ceiling. UConn is the flagship of a big state and a well known name because of basketball. Cincinnati has had a lot of recent success. Boise State I expect will be accepted too.

In short, this wasn't an attempt to really differeniate between power 5 conferences and non, but that label was simply a convienent starting place to try to get stronger schedules for TV. If teams outside those 5 conferences fit the general mold to deliver the same results, the conference will go for it.

I think its pretty clear its all about TV. Service academies get good ratings.

I'd like to see some data on that, because if it were so then explain why Army and Navy are buried on CBS Sports except for the inter-academy games and Notre Dame.

Because they are "Name" schools.

Average Joe fan knows Army/Navy/Air Force as major football (regardless of record). Average Joe fan couldn't tell you from a list of:

Troy, Ball State, Montana, North Dakota State, Western Kentucky and Northern Iowa which was FBS and which is FCS.

(10-09-2015 10:13 AM)bearcatfan1211 Wrote:  

(10-08-2015 10:56 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  A couple of years ago, ESPN had an alert of an Upset when they gave Okie State problems.
This year and last, UTSA almost beat Arizona.

So a couple "almost" wins is what you're going on? Got it thanks.

NAU was just mentioned on local sports when listing off the Arizona University games this weekend.
P5 status is next!!