Except you continue to use agnostic and atheist as if they are mutually exclusive, when they clearly are not. You can be an agnostic atheist, for instance.

(10-23-2015 03:03 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  Except you continue to use agnostic and atheist as if they are mutually exclusive, when they clearly are not. You can be an agnostic atheist, for instance.

He admitted to it being an opinion rather than fact, let's move on.

start it at the 18.....run it to the 21:40......

personifies this thread......

(10-23-2015 03:04 PM)dmacfour Wrote:  

(10-23-2015 03:03 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  Except you continue to use agnostic and atheist as if they are mutually exclusive, when they clearly are not. You can be an agnostic atheist, for instance.

He admitted to it being an opinion rather than fact, let's move on.

Move on to what? Arguing which biblical prophecy is right and which is wrong? I want to make sure he understands this, because unlike most of what has been discussed in this thread, it might actually affect other people.

(10-23-2015 03:04 PM)dmacfour Wrote:  

(10-23-2015 03:03 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  Except you continue to use agnostic and atheist as if they are mutually exclusive, when they clearly are not. You can be an agnostic atheist, for instance.

He admitted to it being an opinion rather than fact, let's move on.

Indeed, multiple times now.

Some people just can't move on.

(10-23-2015 03:02 PM)dmacfour Wrote:  

(10-23-2015 02:54 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  lol

These verses illustrate that the Day of the Lord is Judgment against all mankind and the return of Christ.

According to the Bible.

I'm not sure what citing the Bible proves, other than that the Bible indeed says what it does.

lol

Hello McFly, that is exactly what he was arguing......what the bible says.

(10-23-2015 03:05 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(10-23-2015 02:56 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  Well of course the Bible as a whole makes more sense if you don't take it literally, from Noah to Jonah to everything in between. Even the Christ story itself doesn't really hold up, unless of course you'd believe your daughter if she got knocked up and claimed it was god that did it.

I always find these particular arguments interesting.

Its one thing if you flat out, 100% don't believe in a Creator, that makes some sense.

But if there is possibly a God who created the entire universe, a virgin birth or flooding the earth is small potato's to Him.

Just depends on what you choose to believe.

You don't have to wholly discount the possibility that there is a deity to understand the simple math and evidence which shows that the biblical flood did not take place or that living in the belly of a whale for 3 days isn't possible. The idea that those are possibilities simply because you think a god is a possibility is just as interesting to me.

(10-23-2015 03:04 PM)dmacfour Wrote:  

(10-23-2015 03:03 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  Except you continue to use agnostic and atheist as if they are mutually exclusive, when they clearly are not. You can be an agnostic atheist, for instance.

He admitted to it being an opinion rather than fact, let's move on.

I also think we were all ready to be tucked in at that point too....but the preaching had to continue.....

that's where it collapsed.....

(10-23-2015 03:05 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  Move on to what? Arguing which biblical prophecy is right and which is wrong? I want to make sure he understands this, because unlike most of what has been discussed in this thread, it might actually affect other people.

Indeed it might, which is why I am here allowing all of you to troll me incessantly.

I'm getting the Word out and showing how hated Christians are simply for being Christians.

Two birds with one stone.

(10-23-2015 03:07 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(10-23-2015 03:04 PM)dmacfour Wrote:  

(10-23-2015 03:03 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  Except you continue to use agnostic and atheist as if they are mutually exclusive, when they clearly are not. You can be an agnostic atheist, for instance.

He admitted to it being an opinion rather than fact, let's move on.

Indeed, multiple times now.

Some people just can't move on.

I apologize if I've missed it, but have you stated you understand that agnosticism and atheism are not mutually exclusive beliefs? If so, we can truly be done here.

(10-23-2015 03:09 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(10-23-2015 03:05 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  Move on to what? Arguing which biblical prophecy is right and which is wrong? I want to make sure he understands this, because unlike most of what has been discussed in this thread, it might actually affect other people.

Indeed it might, which is why I am here allowing all of you to troll me incessantly.

I'm getting the Word out and showing how hated Christians are simply for being Christians.

Two birds with one stone.

I don't think you know what hatred is, or how to spot it, if you think that's what is being expressed.

(10-23-2015 03:09 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(10-23-2015 03:05 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  Move on to what? Arguing which biblical prophecy is right and which is wrong? I want to make sure he understands this, because unlike most of what has been discussed in this thread, it might actually affect other people.

Indeed it might, which is why I am here allowing all of you to troll me incessantly.

I'm getting the Word out and showing how hated Christians are simply for being Christians.

Two birds with one stone.

you keep using words like "hate" and "kill"

we don't use those words....

how much simpler can we state it?

the entire argument is about either/or

to define an argument, one must validate 0 or 1

I've done my best...

...back to the playground....

(10-23-2015 03:09 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  You don't have to wholly discount the possibility that there is a deity to understand the simple math and evidence which shows that the biblical flood did not take place or that living in the belly of a whale for 3 days isn't possible. The idea that those are possibilities simply because you think a god is a possibility is just as interesting to me.

You don't have to be a Christian either to understand that the entire universe just popping into existence from complete nothingness isn't possible either.

The day that Science can prove there is no god and that he did not create the universe will be the day you have the truth to stand on.

Until then, you are going on just as much faith as I am. You can't prove a single theory you have on the origin of the universe.

Stink btw, I did like the 0 to 1 analogy regarding science. It's really quit simple and effective IMO.

(10-23-2015 03:12 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  you keep using words like "hate" and "kill"

we don't use those words....

how much simpler can we state it?

the entire argument is about either/or

to define an argument, one must validate 0 or 1

I've done my best...

...back to the playground....

Take it easy stinkfest, I enjoyed the discussion.

Thanks.

(10-23-2015 03:13 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(10-23-2015 03:09 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  You don't have to wholly discount the possibility that there is a deity to understand the simple math and evidence which shows that the biblical flood did not take place or that living in the belly of a whale for 3 days isn't possible. The idea that those are possibilities simply because you think a god is a possibility is just as interesting to me.

You don't have to be a Christian either to understand that the entire universe just popping into existence from complete nothingness isn't possible either.

The day that Science can prove there is no god and that he did not create the universe will be the day you have the truth to stand on.

Until then, you are going on just as much faith as I am. You can't prove a single theory you have on the origin of the universe.

How many times do we have to go over this... there is no way to prove a negative. We can't disprove ANY deity at this point.

That's beside the point though, "You can't disprove god" isn't an argument that the universe was created by your god. It really isn't an argument for anything.

(10-23-2015 03:10 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  I apologize if I've missed it, but have you stated you understand that agnosticism and atheism are not mutually exclusive beliefs? If so, we can truly be done here.

I was done with it a long time ago.

(10-23-2015 03:15 PM)dmacfour Wrote:  How many times do we have to go over this... there is no way to prove a negative. We can't disprove ANY deity at this point.

How many times do I have to go over this too?

No one is claiming there is scientific proof of God.

If you don't want to believe in God then don't.

(10-23-2015 03:17 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(10-23-2015 03:15 PM)dmacfour Wrote:  How many times do we have to go over this... there is no way to prove a negative. We can't disprove ANY deity at this point.

How many time do I have to go over this too?

No one is claiming there is scientific proof of God.

Nobody in this thread is arguing that there is, unless I missed something.

(10-23-2015 03:13 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  Stink btw, I did like the 0 to 1 analogy regarding science. It's really quit simple and effective IMO.

thx man.....I got you by at least 20+ yrs...you see what I saw then....I like reading your stuff......keep it up.....keep toning down the rhetoric, and you might have a chance where everyone doesn't think you're an arsehole....it's gotten better

I'm just the village idiot at this point.....but it is fun at times....

it's not easy fighting this fight......

(10-23-2015 03:18 PM)dmacfour Wrote:  

(10-23-2015 03:17 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(10-23-2015 03:15 PM)dmacfour Wrote:  How many times do we have to go over this... there is no way to prove a negative. We can't disprove ANY deity at this point.

How many time do I have to go over this too?

No one is claiming there is scientific proof of God.

Nobody in this thread is arguing that there is, unless I missed something.

Then what were you talking about?

If you don't want to believe in God then don't. No one is forcing you to.

(10-23-2015 03:14 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(10-23-2015 03:12 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  you keep using words like "hate" and "kill"

we don't use those words....

how much simpler can we state it?

the entire argument is about either/or

to define an argument, one must validate 0 or 1

I've done my best...

...back to the playground....

Take it easy stinkfest, I enjoyed the discussion.

Thanks.

you're my boy, blue



just understand WE can COEXIST w/o having to validate.....only control what you can....it's easier during a lifespan.....

keep the faith....I have zero problem with that....