Georgia Southern's future schedules:

2016:
09/03 - Savannah State
09/24 - at Western Michigan
11/05 - at Ole Miss
11/19 - at Georgia Tech

2017:
09/02 - at Auburn
09/23 - at Indiana
10/21 - at UMass

2018:
09/08 - UMass
09/15 - at Clemson
09/22 - at Kent State

2019:
09/21 - Kent State
TBA - at LSU

Hopefully we can find G5 games in 2017 (home) & 2018 (away). MTSU and Southern Miss are just two of many who match up perfectly those two years.

(10-06-2015 04:18 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  What is the Sun Belt's record against each other G5 conference in that time frame?

American 1-2 (33%)
CUSA 5-9 (36%)
MAC 5-7 (42%)
MWC 5-5 (50%)

Total 16-23 ( 41%)

Jags Future OOC Schedule
2016
9/3 Miss State
9/24 Nichols State(home)
10/1 San Diego State(home)(fill in for UAB)
11/19 LSU

2017
9/2 Ole Miss
9/9 Oklahoma State(home)
9/16 Alabama A&M(home)
9/30 La Tech

2018
9/1 La Tech(home)
9/8 Oklahoma State
9/22 Memphis
10/13 Alabama State(home)

(10-06-2015 05:15 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(10-06-2015 02:40 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  

(10-06-2015 12:20 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(10-06-2015 11:56 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  The point remains, at any given time we should be able to pull the last three years of OOC data and see that the top half members have won a minimum of three OOC FBS games.

Thanks for pulling that data together.

But that is not taking into account scheduling. For instance, astate has only one ooc fbs win since 2013 that's not Idaho, but 6 of our losses were to p5 teams

We literally are just now recovering from a previous ad whose idea of an ooc slate was two ranked p5 guarantees, an fcs and Memphis.

Fair point, but it is also a fair point that all SBC members should be striving for OOC games that allow for a minimum of one FBS OOC win per year.

If we continue operating the same as ever and expect different results, well you know.

Even then, you don't control how good a team is when you play them. Mizzou was coming off a 4-8 season and Toledo was an above average G5 when they were scheduled several years ago

Even then we continue making excuses or we could start expecting our programs to win an average of ONE OOC FBS game per year. That is setting the bar very low for a conference that wants to get out of the cellar.

We sound like a bunch of losers whining about giving it our best.

You can't knock down the tree without swinging the ax, one win at a time one game at a time. The ooc season is almost over win conference games, make a bowl, win bowl games. The SBC can't get caught crying over spilled milk, hopefully 5 teams will make the bowl season change perception when you get there but for now "Battle for the Belt"!

(10-06-2015 06:59 PM)gumbobrown Wrote:  You can't knock down the tree without swinging the ax, one win at a time one game at a time. The ooc season is almost over win conference games, make a bowl, win bowl games. The SBC can't get caught crying over spilled milk, hopefully 5 teams will make the bowl season change perception when you get there but for now "Battle for the Belt"!

Been there... won that.

(10-06-2015 12:58 PM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  All I'm saying is we have to win more OOC games. If you're playing Alabama and Georgia and LSU every year, maybe your AD should rethink scheduling. Wins or money games? Limit money games to one per season? Something has to give.

There you have it. Proof that SkullyMaroo and King Karl were separated at birth.

(10-06-2015 07:10 PM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  

(10-06-2015 06:59 PM)gumbobrown Wrote:  You can't knock down the tree without swinging the ax, one win at a time one game at a time. The ooc season is almost over win conference games, make a bowl, win bowl games. The SBC can't get caught crying over spilled milk, hopefully 5 teams will make the bowl season change perception when you get there but for now "Battle for the Belt"!

Been there... won that.

Lol, yes you did! Good win Troy looks much improved this year.

(10-06-2015 06:50 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  

(10-06-2015 05:15 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(10-06-2015 02:40 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  

(10-06-2015 12:20 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(10-06-2015 11:56 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  The point remains, at any given time we should be able to pull the last three years of OOC data and see that the top half members have won a minimum of three OOC FBS games.

Thanks for pulling that data together.

But that is not taking into account scheduling. For instance, astate has only one ooc fbs win since 2013 that's not Idaho, but 6 of our losses were to p5 teams

We literally are just now recovering from a previous ad whose idea of an ooc slate was two ranked p5 guarantees, an fcs and Memphis.

Fair point, but it is also a fair point that all SBC members should be striving for OOC games that allow for a minimum of one FBS OOC win per year.

If we continue operating the same as ever and expect different results, well you know.

Even then, you don't control how good a team is when you play them. Mizzou was coming off a 4-8 season and Toledo was an above average G5 when they were scheduled several years ago

Even then we continue making excuses or we could start expecting our programs to win an average of ONE OOC FBS game per year. That is setting the bar very low for a conference that wants to get out of the cellar.

We sound like a bunch of losers whining about giving it our best.

Well, no one schedules games thinking they are going to lose. We scheduled Missouri and Toledo this year believing we could beat both teams. They were pretty weak at the time. This year, they turned out to both be ranked...significantly lowering our odds.

You can schedule UMass and beat up on them all you want, but we're not going to make any money off that game, and like it or not, our Athletic Departments are all about making money.

We'll make as much money and get the wins in the coming years.

(10-07-2015 08:13 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  We'll make as much money and get the wins in the coming years.

Because ultimately you can draw for those games. App and Georgia Southern fans are former FCS fans. They are used to playing a lot of crappy home games, and showing up anyway.

For most of us, our programs are not at that point. The pressure is not to find some terrible team we can beat, it's to find the most attractive game for our fans. That means if we have to move a winnable G5 game off the schedule to get a Missouri or Miami on the schedule, we do it.

Benson's been arguing for weeks that we should drop the crazy number of guarantee games, and we should, but we still have to play a reputable OOC schedule. Beating Wyoming is great, but they are going to finish 0-12, when you start calculating conference rankings at the end of the year, App's win over them and ODU is going to mean next to nothing.

When we scheduled the WYO game who would know they'd be bad (they'll win a game or two near the end of the year). I can use your excuse right?

Wyoming, S. Miss, UNCC, ODU, Marshall, Wake, UMass, I'd say that would be a pretty attractive schedule to have one of those on your home slate each year.

In another thread eastern members were claimed to be short-sighted, IMO scheduling multiple $$$ games is short-sighted. That's similar to living pay check to pay check. We need real reform in our football and basketball scheduling as a conference.

(10-07-2015 10:02 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(10-07-2015 08:13 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  We'll make as much money and get the wins in the coming years.

Because ultimately you can draw for those games. App and Georgia Southern fans are former FCS fans. They are used to playing a lot of crappy home games, and showing up anyway.

For most of us, our programs are not at that point. The pressure is not to find some terrible team we can beat, it's to find the most attractive game for our fans. That means if we have to move a winnable G5 game off the schedule to get a Missouri or Miami on the schedule, we do it.

Benson's been arguing for weeks that we should drop the crazy number of guarantee games, and we should, but we still have to play a reputable OOC schedule. Beating Wyoming is great, but they are going to finish 0-12, when you start calculating conference rankings at the end of the year, App's win over them and ODU is going to mean next to nothing.

So you think we are scheduling easy games instead of the most attractive? Our schedule for the first few years was dictated by finding anyone in FBS who was willing to come play the newbie. We found that with other recent move ups such as ODU, Charlotte, and UMass. We also added traditionally strong G5 teams such as Marshall and USM along with getting Wake Forest to agree to a H&H.

In 2017 we have an all FBS schedule with Akron, Wake Forest, @UMass, and @ Georgia lined up. We had an all FBS schedule in place for next year until UMass asked to move their game back to play SC. I don't want to hear anyone complaining that we aren't willing to play tough teams, or teams our fans are interested in seeing just because we don't have to play 2 or 3 P5's every year.

(10-06-2015 11:18 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(10-06-2015 06:50 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  

(10-06-2015 05:15 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(10-06-2015 02:40 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  

(10-06-2015 12:20 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  But that is not taking into account scheduling. For instance, astate has only one ooc fbs win since 2013 that's not Idaho, but 6 of our losses were to p5 teams

We literally are just now recovering from a previous ad whose idea of an ooc slate was two ranked p5 guarantees, an fcs and Memphis.

Fair point, but it is also a fair point that all SBC members should be striving for OOC games that allow for a minimum of one FBS OOC win per year.

If we continue operating the same as ever and expect different results, well you know.

Even then, you don't control how good a team is when you play them. Mizzou was coming off a 4-8 season and Toledo was an above average G5 when they were scheduled several years ago

Even then we continue making excuses or we could start expecting our programs to win an average of ONE OOC FBS game per year. That is setting the bar very low for a conference that wants to get out of the cellar.

We sound like a bunch of losers whining about giving it our best.

Well, no one schedules games thinking they are going to lose. We scheduled Missouri and Toledo this year believing we could beat both teams. They were pretty weak at the time. This year, they turned out to both be ranked...significantly lowering our odds.

You can schedule UMass and beat up on them all you want, but we're not going to make any money off that game, and like it or not, our Athletic Departments are all about making money.

Missouri was ranked at the time of your game, but they are far from a team that should be ranked by the end of the season. In my opinion, you lost that game when Knighten went down, but this was your best shot to beat them.

You also lost the Toledo game in that same instance. I saw many a Red Wolves calling for Knighten to be benched...well he got injured and the second stringer showed why Knighten is the starter.

That's something Appalachian has rarely struggled with. Since Armanti graduated, the next man up behind the starter almost always ended up playing better than the starter. Jamal over Presley, Bryant over Jamal, Lamb over Bryant. It's been a strange 5 years. However, you guys got Missouri on a down year, they just happened to take out your best player, (other than McKissik (sp?) aka second coming of Dexter McCluster). Turnovers killed you against Toledo, and while there is no way to know, I doubt you have three turnovers attributed to Knighten if he plays in that game.

(10-07-2015 10:18 AM)JTApps1 Wrote:  

(10-07-2015 10:02 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(10-07-2015 08:13 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  We'll make as much money and get the wins in the coming years.

Because ultimately you can draw for those games. App and Georgia Southern fans are former FCS fans. They are used to playing a lot of crappy home games, and showing up anyway.

For most of us, our programs are not at that point. The pressure is not to find some terrible team we can beat, it's to find the most attractive game for our fans. That means if we have to move a winnable G5 game off the schedule to get a Missouri or Miami on the schedule, we do it.

Benson's been arguing for weeks that we should drop the crazy number of guarantee games, and we should, but we still have to play a reputable OOC schedule. Beating Wyoming is great, but they are going to finish 0-12, when you start calculating conference rankings at the end of the year, App's win over them and ODU is going to mean next to nothing.

So you think we are scheduling easy games instead of the most attractive? Our schedule for the first few years was dictated by finding anyone in FBS who was willing to come play the newbie. We found that with other recent move ups such as ODU, Charlotte, and UMass. We also added traditionally strong G5 teams such as Marshall and USM along with getting Wake Forest to agree to a H&H.

In 2017 we have an all FBS schedule with Akron, Wake Forest, @UMass, and @ Georgia lined up. We had an all FBS schedule in place for next year until UMass asked to move their game back to play SC. I don't want to hear anyone complaining that we aren't willing to play tough teams, or teams our fans are interested in seeing just because we don't have to play 2 or 3 P5's every year.

I didn't say you were, I was only going off what saint said about everyone scheduling at least one FBS game they should win in a given year. There are very few certain victories out there...and those that are will not provide the crowd or interest among fans to make it worth while playing a game against them.

Our schedule eventually will even out as well.

2016
@ Auburn
@ Utah State
vs Toledo
vs Central Arkansas

2017
@ Nebraska
vs Miami (FL)
@ SMU
vs Arkansas-Pine Bluff

2018:
vs UNLV
@ Tulsa

2019:
@ UNLV
vs SMU

2020
vs Tulsa

The problem with scheduling is that in a given year you have no idea how a team is going to play. When we scheduled Toledo several years back, we had no clue that they would become the highest ranked G5 team in the country by the time they played us. While our schedule looks a lot easier in the future, for all we know, Chad Morris is going to have SMU playing out of its mind by 2017.

That being said, app has a significant scheduling edge with in state teams like Charlotte and Wake, and a regional rival like ODU willing to play home and homes. We don't have a team within 600 miles of Jonesboro willing to play us anymore. It means we have to use the MAC, MWC, and AAC to find other home games, and since none of those are regional to Jonesboro at all, they are harder to find, and harder to push with fans.

(10-06-2015 05:58 PM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  

(10-06-2015 04:18 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  What is the Sun Belt's record against each other G5 conference in that time frame?

American 1-2 (33%)
CUSA 5-9 (36%)
MAC 5-7 (42%)
MWC 5-5 (50%)

Total 16-23 ( 41%)

It would interesting to see how the other G5 conferences stack up with each other as well.

(10-07-2015 01:27 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  I didn't say you were, I was only going off what saint said about everyone scheduling at least one FBS game they should win in a given year.

But that isn't what I said, you are inferring the scheduling portion.

I said everyone should win one OOC FBS game per year on average.

Scheduling may be part of the issue (if you're scheduling 2 P5s a year), but that wasn't my point.

(10-07-2015 10:02 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(10-07-2015 08:13 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  We'll make as much money and get the wins in the coming years.

Because ultimately you can draw for those games. App and Georgia Southern fans are former FCS fans. They are used to having football to watch, and they show up to support their team.

For most of us, our programs are not at that point. The pressure is not to find some terrible team we can beat, it's to find the most attractive game for our fans.

First off, FIFY

Second, that next bold statement is the problem in the SunBelt...but we've beat that horse to a pulp already.

I think the first goal is to have a year where the Sun Belt is not the weakest G5 conference in the US. Then another...and another...
Then we can talk about being the best G5.

The problem isn't the best teams of the Sun Belt. Georgia Southern, App, and USA did their share. (To ask for wins against Clemson or WVU or NC St. isn't realistic.) It's the close losses or thrown leads that reinforces the impression of "scrub league". It's NMSU failing against UTEP and UNM or Texas State against Southern Miss. or ULL against Kentucky. stAte against Missouri is the only one where a legitimate excuse exists.

(10-07-2015 02:48 PM)soar#417 Wrote:  

(10-07-2015 10:02 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(10-07-2015 08:13 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  We'll make as much money and get the wins in the coming years.

Because ultimately you can draw for those games. App and Georgia Southern fans are former FCS fans. They are used to having football to watch, and they show up to support their team.

For most of us, our programs are not at that point. The pressure is not to find some terrible team we can beat, it's to find the most attractive game for our fans.

First off, FIFY

Second, that next bold statement is the problem in the SunBelt...but we've beat that horse to a pulp already.

The second statement is true for most every G5 team in the country. There are very few where they have developed the fan support where fans will show up game after game regardless of results. ECU, Houston and Boise come to mind. Fresno and Marshall as well.

For the rest of us? We have to do whatever we can to bring as many fans to games as possible. If that means playing a tougher OOC schedule, so top teams will come to your place, you do that and worry about whether or not you win the game later.