http://www.startribune.com/minneapolis-b...330532891/

Quote:Minneapolis officials are proposing that every business in the city be required for the first time to give all of their workers paid sick leave and set all of their work schedules at least 28 days in advance.

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But many business owners are furious and aggressively launching an all-out campaign to urge councilors to stop the proposals from becoming law, or least scale them back. Dayna Frank, owner of the downtown music venue First Avenue, said the plan is so burdensome and unworkable that it is almost begging businesses to move to other nearby cities.

“It almost feels like this was written by the city of St. Paul,” she said.

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Sick Time

• Required for any employer with one or more employees, unless a collective bargaining agreement is in place.

• One hour of sick time for every 30 hours worked, up to 72 hours per year for employers with at least 21 employees, 40 hours per year for smaller businesses. (This is supposed to transfer from one employer to the next)

• Permitted uses include illness, preventive care, domestic abuse, sexual assault, stalking.

• Affects all employees, except those covered by a collective bargaining agreement.

• Requires employers to provide schedules 28 days in advance, and notify of any changes 24 hours in advance.

• Employers must pay one hour of “predictability pay” each time they adjust a worker’s schedule.

• Employers must pay employees for at least four hours if a shift is changed or canceled with less than 24 hours’ notice.

• Employers must pay time and a half for employees who get less than 11 hours off between shifts, work more than 55 hours per week or more than six days in a row.

• Employees have right to request a flexible schedule and requests for caregiving, serious health issues, educational pursuits and second jobs.

I can see the points on both sides. I use to work for the state of Texas and was given both vacation and sick days. I never abused the use of sick days but thought they were great. Now I'm on a PTO system. The problem is that with only 3 weeks off a year I'm saving them up for at least one week long vacation, and time off around Christmas and other holidays outside the national holidays I get off.

Compared to working at a place that has separate sick days, I see so many more people come into work when they are sick. They have either used up their vacation time or had already allocated it to vacations later in the year. They can't miss work without eating into their vacation. This gets other workers sick and the cycle grows. It's even worse if you have kids and they get sick and you have to leave to pick them up.

So I can see why having separate sick days is a good thing.

I can also see that it's an overhead cost to companies and some people will abuse those hours, as I have seen before. Of course those people were never up for promotions or raises either. Maybe it should be up to each company but some would never do it. I just hope I don't get sick and can keep my vacation time since I have travel plans and tickets bought.

(10-06-2015 09:46 AM)slycat Wrote:  I can see the points on both sides. I use to work for the state of Texas and was given both vacation and sick days. I never abused the use of sick days but thought they were great. Now I'm on a PTO system. The problem is that with only 3 weeks off a year I'm saving them up for at least one week long vacation, and time off around Christmas and other holidays outside the national holidays I get off.

Compared to working at a place that has separate sick days, I see so many more people come into work when they are sick. They have either used up their vacation time or had already allocated it to vacations later in the year. They can't miss work without eating into their vacation. This gets other workers sick and the cycle grows. It's even worse if you have kids and they get sick and you have to leave to pick them up.

So I can see why having separate sick days is a good thing.

I can also see that it's an overhead cost to companies and some people will abuse those hours, as I have seen before. Of course those people were never up for promotions or raises either. Maybe it should be up to each company but some would never do it. I just hope I don't get sick and can keep my vacation time since I have travel plans and tickets bought.

While I disagree with the whole law my big issues are (1) tranferrable sick time between private companies and (2) exempting union shops.

This is a way to force more companies into SEIU by making a draconian law which you can only get out of by entering into collective bargaining.

(10-06-2015 09:51 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(10-06-2015 09:46 AM)slycat Wrote:  I can see the points on both sides. I use to work for the state of Texas and was given both vacation and sick days. I never abused the use of sick days but thought they were great. Now I'm on a PTO system. The problem is that with only 3 weeks off a year I'm saving them up for at least one week long vacation, and time off around Christmas and other holidays outside the national holidays I get off.

Compared to working at a place that has separate sick days, I see so many more people come into work when they are sick. They have either used up their vacation time or had already allocated it to vacations later in the year. They can't miss work without eating into their vacation. This gets other workers sick and the cycle grows. It's even worse if you have kids and they get sick and you have to leave to pick them up.

So I can see why having separate sick days is a good thing.

I can also see that it's an overhead cost to companies and some people will abuse those hours, as I have seen before. Of course those people were never up for promotions or raises either. Maybe it should be up to each company but some would never do it. I just hope I don't get sick and can keep my vacation time since I have travel plans and tickets bought.

While I disagree with the whole law my big issues are (1) tranferrable sick time between private companies and (2) exempting union shops.

This is a way to force more companies into SEIU by making a draconian law which you can only get out of by entering into collective bargaining.

Those are two great points. I lost probably a month of sick time when I left the state but would never expect that to follow me somewhere else. The used vacation time was paid out but that's logical. The sick time, if required, should be handled the same way as it was when I lost it.

In some ways, this will make a union more attractive to a local employer.

The contract could bring in the union but eliminate the sick day and other city/state mandated requirements like a $15 minimum wage. The union gains more dues by actively negotiating against the well being of their union members by eliminating benefits.

This isn't my idea. This is pretty much how it is being presented to employers by the unions.....

lol, I don't even get sick time. Sick time is just considered "paid time off" and considered the same as a vacation day.

(10-06-2015 09:57 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  In some ways, this will make a union more attractive to a local employer.

The contract could bring in the union but eliminate the sick day and other city/state mandated requirements like a $15 minimum wage. The union gains more dues by actively negotiating against the well being of their union members by eliminating benefits.

This isn't my idea. This is pretty much how it is being presented to employers by the unions.....

True. It could also mean that employers dumb down the positions and hire day workers from a temporary service. The temp service may create the "Uber" of employees.

(10-06-2015 10:02 AM)VA49er Wrote:  lol, I don't even get sick time. Sick time is just considered "paid time off" and considered the same as a vacation day.

Hell, I don't get "sick" time, vacation time, personal time, mental health time, or any other time. If I don't work, I don't make money, simple as that.

Now, do we have redundancies and the ability for others to cover while someone is out? Yes. But the cash has to keep flowing to have the cash flow!

But, by all means, please continue to place more and more burdensome mandates on small businesses. Unfunded of course. Matter of fact, why not require all this "free" time off with pay AND arbitrarily raise the MW to some obscene level like 15 bucks an hour.

Great plan.

Unions are people my friend.

(10-06-2015 02:55 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Unions are people my friend.

Choose your friends wisely, Dunk.