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RE: B1G Network looking to expand West of Nebraska and South of Nebraska
(10-05-2015 09:25 PM)Eagleditka Wrote:  Kansas and UConn could make them the best basketball conference in the country that isn't named the ACC.

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RE: B1G Network looking to expand West of Nebraska and South of Nebraska
(10-06-2015 12:39 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(10-05-2015 11:29 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  David...just stop it with Buffalo and Stony Brook to the B1G...get some popcorn and put one of their games on...you'll find out they have about 7k fans in the stands.


This from a Syracuse guy who school could have been booted from the AAU, but they removed themselves from them while Buffalo and Stony Brook get AAU status? Those two will get into the Big 10 before Syracuse would.

The missions of the schools (SUNY Buffalo and SUNY SB vs Syracuse) are radically different.

Dartmouth isn't in the AAU, nor is Notre Dame, Georgetown, BC, or any small liberal arts school, like Williams. AAU status has little to nothing to do with academic competency - in fact, for whatever my experience is worth, research-heavy schools typically have weak academics because it is extremely hard for a school to focus on both. Even then, a school's academic/research prowess only matters int he world of conference expansion to the extent that it impacts the schools in the target conference. Which AAU status does not (see Nebraska and who voted against the Huskers)

SUNY Buffalo and SUNY SB don't have a prayer of getting in the B1G because they don't make money, they don't add to the athletic prestige of the conference, and they won't help recruiting. Saying either has a better chance of getting into the B1G than SU is laughably wrong.
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RE: B1G Network looking to expand West of Nebraska and South of Nebraska
(10-05-2015 09:25 PM)Eagleditka Wrote:  Kansas and UConn could make them the best basketball conference in the country.

I have to say that is the only expansion scenario I think I have ever seen where one could say that UConn is the strongest football candidate.
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RE: B1G Network looking to expand West of Nebraska and South of Nebraska
(10-05-2015 10:39 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(10-05-2015 09:06 PM)ohio1317 Wrote:  I don't really see anything in the article suggesting the Big Ten is looking to expand. It explains that the past expansion did help increase Big Ten Network coverage in the east and the network is working on other areas, but that's still a leap to read into that the Big Ten itself is looking to expand imo.
That's pretty much what I read as well.

But for the always wild side do everybody a favor and move to twenty with California, U.S.C., U.C.L.A., Stanford, Washington, and Colorado.

Let the rest unite with the Big 12.

The Big 20:
California, Stanford, U.C.L.A., U.S.C., Washington
Colorado, Iowa, Minnesota, Nebraska, Wisconsin
Illinois, Michigan, Michigan State, Northwestern, Ohio State
Indiana, Maryland, Penn State, Purdue, Rutgers

Now that would be more of a national Big 10 and without the compromise of standards.

The Big 12
Boise State, Oregon, Oregon State, Utah, Washington State
Arizona, Arizona State, Brigham Young, San Diego State, Nevada
Baylor, Colorado State, Houston, Texas, Texas Tech
Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State

ACC
Boston College, Connecticut, Notre Dame, Pittsburgh, Syracuse
Louisville, Memphis, Temple, Virginia, Virginia Tech
Clemson, Duke, North Carolina, N.C. State, Wake Forest
Florida State, Georgia Tech, Miami, Rice, Tulane

SEC
Cincinnati, Kentucky, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, West Virginia
Auburn, East Carolina, Florida, Georgia, South Carolina
Arkansas, Louisiana State, Missouri, T.C.U., Texas A&M
Alabama, Central Florida, Mississippi, Mississippi State, South Florida


Now I don't know if that is profitable or not, but it sure would make most of the board happy.

That wouldn't be profitable and it wouldn't make any Clemson or FSU fan happy.
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RE: B1G Network looking to expand West of Nebraska and South of Nebraska
(10-05-2015 10:39 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(10-05-2015 09:06 PM)ohio1317 Wrote:  I don't really see anything in the article suggesting the Big Ten is looking to expand. It explains that the past expansion did help increase Big Ten Network coverage in the east and the network is working on other areas, but that's still a leap to read into that the Big Ten itself is looking to expand imo.
That's pretty much what I read as well.

But for the always wild side do everybody a favor and move to twenty with California, U.S.C., U.C.L.A., Stanford, Washington, and Colorado.

Let the rest unite with the Big 12.

The Big 20:
California, Stanford, U.C.L.A., U.S.C., Washington
Colorado, Iowa, Minnesota, Nebraska, Wisconsin
Illinois, Michigan, Michigan State, Northwestern, Ohio State
Indiana, Maryland, Penn State, Purdue, Rutgers

Now that would be more of a national Big 10 and without the compromise of standards.

The Big 12
Boise State, Oregon, Oregon State, Utah, Washington State
Arizona, Arizona State, Brigham Young, San Diego State, Nevada
Baylor, Colorado State, Houston, Texas, Texas Tech
Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State

ACC
Boston College, Connecticut, Notre Dame, Pittsburgh, Syracuse
Louisville, Memphis, Temple, Virginia, Virginia Tech
Clemson, Duke, North Carolina, N.C. State, Wake Forest
Florida State, Georgia Tech, Miami, Rice, Tulane

SEC
Cincinnati, Kentucky, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, West Virginia
Auburn, East Carolina, Florida, Georgia, South Carolina
Arkansas, Louisiana State, Missouri, T.C.U., Texas A&M
Alabama, Central Florida, Mississippi, Mississippi State, South Florida


Now I don't know if that is profitable or not, but it sure would make most of the board happy.

The Big Ten scenario is fine with me. I'd try to make changes to the Big Twelve, SEC and ACC scenarios:

Nevada, Oregon, Oregon State, Utah, Washington State
Arizona, Arizona State, Brigham Young, San Diego State, Boise State
Oklahoma State, Colorado State, Oklahoma, Texas, Texas Tech
Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Baylor, Houston

Boston College, Connecticut, Notre Dame, Pittsburgh, Syracuse
Louisville, Cincinnati, West Virginia, South Florida, Virginia Tech
Virginia, Duke, North Carolina, N.C. State, Wake Forest
Florida State, Georgia Tech, Miami, Clemson, Tulane

Missouri, Kentucky, Tennessee, Vanderbilt
Auburn, Florida, Georgia, South Carolina
Arkansas, Louisiana State, T.C.U., Texas A&M
Alabama, Central Florida, Mississippi, Mississippi State
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RE: B1G Network looking to expand West of Nebraska and South of Nebraska
(10-06-2015 04:50 AM)Transic_nyc Wrote:  
(10-05-2015 10:39 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(10-05-2015 09:06 PM)ohio1317 Wrote:  I don't really see anything in the article suggesting the Big Ten is looking to expand. It explains that the past expansion did help increase Big Ten Network coverage in the east and the network is working on other areas, but that's still a leap to read into that the Big Ten itself is looking to expand imo.
That's pretty much what I read as well.

But for the always wild side do everybody a favor and move to twenty with California, U.S.C., U.C.L.A., Stanford, Washington, and Colorado.

Let the rest unite with the Big 12.

The Big 20:
California, Stanford, U.C.L.A., U.S.C., Washington
Colorado, Iowa, Minnesota, Nebraska, Wisconsin
Illinois, Michigan, Michigan State, Northwestern, Ohio State
Indiana, Maryland, Penn State, Purdue, Rutgers

Now that would be more of a national Big 10 and without the compromise of standards.

The Big 12
Boise State, Oregon, Oregon State, Utah, Washington State
Arizona, Arizona State, Brigham Young, San Diego State, Nevada
Baylor, Colorado State, Houston, Texas, Texas Tech
Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State

ACC
Boston College, Connecticut, Notre Dame, Pittsburgh, Syracuse
Louisville, Memphis, Temple, Virginia, Virginia Tech
Clemson, Duke, North Carolina, N.C. State, Wake Forest
Florida State, Georgia Tech, Miami, Rice, Tulane

SEC
Cincinnati, Kentucky, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, West Virginia
Auburn, East Carolina, Florida, Georgia, South Carolina
Arkansas, Louisiana State, Missouri, T.C.U., Texas A&M
Alabama, Central Florida, Mississippi, Mississippi State, South Florida


Now I don't know if that is profitable or not, but it sure would make most of the board happy.

The Big Ten scenario is fine with me. I'd try to make changes to the Big Twelve, SEC and ACC scenarios:

Nevada, Oregon, Oregon State, Utah, Washington State
Arizona, Arizona State, Brigham Young, San Diego State, Boise State
Oklahoma State, Colorado State, Oklahoma, Texas, Texas Tech
Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Baylor, Houston

Boston College, Connecticut, Notre Dame, Pittsburgh, Syracuse
Louisville, Cincinnati, West Virginia, South Florida, Virginia Tech
Virginia, Duke, North Carolina, N.C. State, Wake Forest
Florida State, Georgia Tech, Miami, Clemson, Tulane

Missouri, Kentucky, Tennessee, Vanderbilt
Auburn, Florida, Georgia, South Carolina
Arkansas, Louisiana State, T.C.U., Texas A&M
Alabama, Central Florida, Mississippi, Mississippi State

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RE: B1G Network looking to expand West of Nebraska and South of Nebraska
I doubt there is any interest in adding Mountain or Pacific timezone schools. That's the PAC's territory and the B1G and PAC have been historical partners.

There are no schools in the XII that interest me a ton. Kansas and Oklahoma have toxic state political cultures. Same with Texas, plus that team would ruin any major conference it joints (thinking it should run the show, get special treatment, special TV money deal, etc.).

If one Central timezone school has to be added to balance the divisions (keeping Purdue in the West/Chicago division), then it has to be Kansas. I'll take that over Oklahoma or Texas every day of the week and twice on Sunday.


But the real gems lie in the East, for the B1G. Rather than raiding the major research institutions of the PAC, I'd like to see the major research institutions of the ACC be added. Pitt, GT, Duke, UNC, etc.

UConn isn't a major research institution, but it's as good as the low end of the B1G. Buffalo is a major research institution, but it doesn't have a major athletic dept.
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(10-06-2015 09:14 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  I doubt there is any interest in adding Mountain or Pacific timezone schools. That's the PAC's territory and the B1G and PAC have been historical partners.

There are no schools in the XII that interest me a ton. Kansas and Oklahoma have toxic state political cultures. Same with Texas, plus that team would ruin any major conference it joints (thinking it should run the show, get special treatment, special TV money deal, etc.).

If one Central timezone school has to be added to balance the divisions (keeping Purdue in the West/Chicago division), then it has to be Kansas. I'll take that over Oklahoma or Texas every day of the week and twice on Sunday.


But the real gems lie in the East, for the B1G. Rather than raiding the major research institutions of the PAC, I'd like to see the major research institutions of the ACC be added. Pitt, GT, Duke, UNC, etc.

UConn isn't a major research institution, but it's as good as the low end of the B1G. Buffalo is a major research institution, but it doesn't have a major athletic dept.

I'm pretty sure, WVU will be accepted into the B1G..... 05-stirthepot
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(10-06-2015 09:18 AM)Otacon Wrote:  
(10-06-2015 09:14 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  I doubt there is any interest in adding Mountain or Pacific timezone schools. That's the PAC's territory and the B1G and PAC have been historical partners.

There are no schools in the XII that interest me a ton. Kansas and Oklahoma have toxic state political cultures. Same with Texas, plus that team would ruin any major conference it joints (thinking it should run the show, get special treatment, special TV money deal, etc.).

If one Central timezone school has to be added to balance the divisions (keeping Purdue in the West/Chicago division), then it has to be Kansas. I'll take that over Oklahoma or Texas every day of the week and twice on Sunday.


But the real gems lie in the East, for the B1G. Rather than raiding the major research institutions of the PAC, I'd like to see the major research institutions of the ACC be added. Pitt, GT, Duke, UNC, etc.

UConn isn't a major research institution, but it's as good as the low end of the B1G. Buffalo is a major research institution, but it doesn't have a major athletic dept.

I'm pretty sure, WVU will be accepted into the B1G..... 05-stirthepot

Heh, yeah maybe if it increases research output by $500 million a year.
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(10-06-2015 09:20 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  Heh, yeah maybe if it increases research output by $500 million a year.

It is what it is....Don't worry, we'll go easy on ya for a few years.
This is based on my WV insider pipeline, by the way.
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If the B1G did add Kansas, Pitt, UVA, UNC, Duke and GT, it would be interesting to see which current East/NYC schools would be pulled to West/Chicago.

West/Chicago: Kansas,Nebraska,Iowa,Minn,Wisc,Ill,NW,Purdue,Indiana?,MichSt?
East/NYC: OhioSt,Mich,Pitt,PennSt,Rutgers,Maryland,Virginia,UNC,Duke,GT
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(10-06-2015 04:05 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(10-05-2015 10:39 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(10-05-2015 09:06 PM)ohio1317 Wrote:  I don't really see anything in the article suggesting the Big Ten is looking to expand. It explains that the past expansion did help increase Big Ten Network coverage in the east and the network is working on other areas, but that's still a leap to read into that the Big Ten itself is looking to expand imo.
That's pretty much what I read as well.

But for the always wild side do everybody a favor and move to twenty with California, U.S.C., U.C.L.A., Stanford, Washington, and Colorado.

Let the rest unite with the Big 12.

The Big 20:
California, Stanford, U.C.L.A., U.S.C., Washington
Colorado, Iowa, Minnesota, Nebraska, Wisconsin
Illinois, Michigan, Michigan State, Northwestern, Ohio State
Indiana, Maryland, Penn State, Purdue, Rutgers

Now that would be more of a national Big 10 and without the compromise of standards.

The Big 12
Boise State, Oregon, Oregon State, Utah, Washington State
Arizona, Arizona State, Brigham Young, San Diego State, Nevada
Baylor, Colorado State, Houston, Texas, Texas Tech
Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State

ACC
Boston College, Connecticut, Notre Dame, Pittsburgh, Syracuse
Louisville, Memphis, Temple, Virginia, Virginia Tech
Clemson, Duke, North Carolina, N.C. State, Wake Forest
Florida State, Georgia Tech, Miami, Rice, Tulane

SEC
Cincinnati, Kentucky, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, West Virginia
Auburn, East Carolina, Florida, Georgia, South Carolina
Arkansas, Louisiana State, Missouri, T.C.U., Texas A&M
Alabama, Central Florida, Mississippi, Mississippi State, South Florida


Now I don't know if that is profitable or not, but it sure would make most of the board happy.

That wouldn't be profitable and it wouldn't make any Clemson or FSU fan happy.

Or any ND fans, either.
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OU, Kansas and Houston to the West.

Georgia Tech plus two of UNC, UVA, Duke, Florida St, BC to the East.
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(10-06-2015 12:39 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(10-05-2015 11:29 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  David...just stop it with Buffalo and Stony Brook to the B1G...get some popcorn and put one of their games on...you'll find out they have about 7k fans in the stands.


This from a Syracuse guy who school could have been booted from the AAU, but they removed themselves from them while Buffalo and Stony Brook get AAU status? Those two will get into the Big 10 before Syracuse would.

Most Syracuse fans don't want to be in the B1G...but you're kidding yourself if the B1G would select UB or Stony Brook over Syracuse.

Syracuse's fan and student base is along I-95 and the ACC is a perfect fit.
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(10-06-2015 10:49 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  
(10-06-2015 12:39 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(10-05-2015 11:29 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  David...just stop it with Buffalo and Stony Brook to the B1G...get some popcorn and put one of their games on...you'll find out they have about 7k fans in the stands.


This from a Syracuse guy who school could have been booted from the AAU, but they removed themselves from them while Buffalo and Stony Brook get AAU status? Those two will get into the Big 10 before Syracuse would.

Most Syracuse fans don't want to be in the B1G...but you're kidding yourself if the B1G would select UB or Stony Brook over Syracuse.

Syracuse's fan and student base is along I-95 and the ACC is a perfect fit.

Buffalo or Stony Brook would be selected over Syracuse ... purely from a research perspective.

Of course, we know that's not the whole story.
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(10-05-2015 10:29 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Cal-Davis
Cal-Poly

I don't think any UC campus uses "Cal" other than Berkeley.

The others should be referred to as UC [City Name] or UC[City initial(s)]. Here's a complete list of commonly used short names:

UC Berkeley, Berkeley, Cal, California
UC Davis, Davis
UC Irvine, UCI
UCLA
UC Merced
UC Riverside, UCR
UC San Diego, UCSD
UC San Francisco, UCSF
UC Santa Barbara, UCSB
UC Santa Cruz, UCSC

And Poly is not a city in California, nor is Cal Poly a campus in the UC system. Cal Poly is short for California Polytechnic State University and is located in San Luis Obispo. It is part of the second-tier CSU system along with schools that use [City] State (like Fresno State) or Cal State [City] (like Cal State Fullerton.) People refer to them as Cal Poly or Cal Poly-SLO.
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Is there an official flagship (or flagships) of the Cal State system?

What about unofficial?
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(10-06-2015 12:10 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  Is there an official flagship (or flagships) of the Cal State system?

What about unofficial?

Official/Unofficial is CSU-San Jose (San Jose State University)
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(10-05-2015 09:51 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  
(10-05-2015 09:30 PM)Nebraskafan Wrote:  Delany has always said the goal was 20 and national expansion. BTN is working to expand nation wide too. Put it all together...

You have multiple quotes of this? Since he has always said 20 teams is the goal.


IIRC it was before they added Nebraska, when Delaney was getting a kick out of unsettling every other conference by acting like it was a big game of RISK. Then after all of that, they added just Nebraska.

(10-06-2015 03:19 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  in fact, for whatever my experience is worth, research-heavy schools typically have weak academics because it is extremely hard for a school to focus on both. Even then, a school's academic/research prowess only matters int he world of conference expansion to the extent that it impacts the schools in the target conference.

I would like to co-sign on this. I went to school simulataneously at University of Maryland and Towson University (I took advantage of them being in the same university system, to take as many classes closer to my house in Baltimore as I could), and in general, my classes at Towson were much harder and more engaging than my classes at College Park.


Also by and large, not to say AAU status is meaningless, or anything like that, but mostly AAU is about graduate program funding: it really doesn't actually address the quality of the education, other than schools with more money are assumed to be better. Many of the undergrad rankings are the same, using a combination of money and turndowns to come up with a ranking. And while perception matters, thus those rankings matter, they don't actually truly address the quality of education. Personally I think the success of the graduates is a better measure of success (although that is sometimes weighted by other inherent advantages that lead to students attending top schools in the first place), and by any measure, Syracuse is a top notch school in that regard. Just turn on the TV or read a newspaper or magazine sometime for proof.
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I can't find the minimum required number of teams for PAC dissolution- 8, 9, 10?

B1G 24:
West:
UW, UO, Furd, Cal, USC, UCLA, ASU, UA.
Central:
UU, CU, MN, IOWA, NEB, ILL, NW, WISC.
East:
IU, PUR, MSU, UM, OSU, PSU, MD, RU

After BigXii GOR expire:
B1G 30:
West:
UW, UO, Furd, Cal, USC, UCLA, ASU, UA, UU, CU.
Central:
UT, OU, KU, Mizz, MN, IOWA, NEB, ILL, NW, WISC.
East:
IU, PUR, MSU, UM, OSU, PSU, MD, RU, UNC, UVA.
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