I was having this discussion with somebody. I know it's a little far fetched right now, but I could see it possibly happen if we got P5 status.

1) If UC tore out the North end zone bleachers and wrapped around the two ends, about what capacity would be created?

2) Is this even possible? I assume they would have to tear down some of the athletic offices/received center to do so.

(10-05-2015 11:21 AM)jarr Wrote:  I was having this discussion with somebody. I know it's a little far fetched right now, but I could see it possibly happen if we got P5 status.

1) If UC tore out the North end zone bleachers and wrapped around the two ends, about what capacity would be created?

2) Is this even possible? I they would have to tear down some of the athletic offices/received center to do so.

They could close off that endzone with right angle connections in the corner, but I don't think they'd be willing to knockout the athletic offices and the rec center for another couple thousand seats. I think we realistically will only be able to get 45,000-50,000 people in there maximum, and that's with a complete rebuild of the second deck.

You'd think the Rec Center is completely untouchable. It wins awards all the time for being one of the best in the country. Can't see how they would do anything to compromise that.

(10-05-2015 11:51 AM)Jchuges7 Wrote:  You'd think the Rec Center is completely untouchable. It wins awards all the time for being one of the best in the country. Can't see how they would do anything to compromise that.

That building is only about ten years old.

(10-05-2015 11:30 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(10-05-2015 11:21 AM)jarr Wrote:  I was having this discussion with somebody. I know it's a little far fetched right now, but I could see it possibly happen if we got P5 status.

1) If UC tore out the North end zone bleachers and wrapped around the two ends, about what capacity would be created?

2) Is this even possible? I they would have to tear down some of the athletic offices/received center to do so.

They could close off that endzone with right angle connections in the corner, but I don't think they'd be willing to knockout the athletic offices and the rec center for another couple thousand seats. I think we realistically will only be able to get 45,000-50,000 people in there maximum, and that's with a complete rebuild of the second deck.

I think 45-50K (maybe 40-45K) is the sweet spot for us for the foreseeable future. Attendance at CFB games are dwindling all over the country. If we need more than 50K to attend a game (which would be extremely rare) we can always play at PBS.

(10-05-2015 12:12 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(10-05-2015 11:30 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(10-05-2015 11:21 AM)jarr Wrote:  I was having this discussion with somebody. I know it's a little far fetched right now, but I could see it possibly happen if we got P5 status.

1) If UC tore out the North end zone bleachers and wrapped around the two ends, about what capacity would be created?

2) Is this even possible? I they would have to tear down some of the athletic offices/received center to do so.

They could close off that endzone with right angle connections in the corner, but I don't think they'd be willing to knockout the athletic offices and the rec center for another couple thousand seats. I think we realistically will only be able to get 45,000-50,000 people in there maximum, and that's with a complete rebuild of the second deck.

I think 45-50K (maybe 40-45K) is the sweet spot for us for the foreseeable future. Attendance at CFB games are dwindling all over the country. If we need more than 50K to attend a game (which would be extremely rare) we can always play at PBS.

Bingo. I know butts in seats=$$$$, but the current trend is that attendance is dwindling across the country. Many big time programs are having a hard time filling their seats. With the rise in quantity and quality of television broadcasts I would much rather have a smaller stadium that is easy to fill. I think many teams with larger stadiums may scale back their stadiums in the future and add more amenities in order to entice people to the games.

Many places like Ohio State likely won't ever be hurt by declining attendance, but many middle of the pack P5 teams will.

It won't happen with all the money going into a new scoreboard, but if you reworked the scoreboard, there is room to put a deck above those north bleachers. It can set back a little bit and still not encroach on the Rec center (except for that part of the roof that covers the walkway). It wouldn't encroach on the Futball stadium either

Honestly, after dealing with the traffic/parking nightmare last Thursday night, I don't think Clifton can handle much more than 40k and I don't think we need to.

(10-05-2015 01:06 PM)AeroCat Wrote:  Honestly, after dealing with the traffic/parking nightmare last Thursday night, I don't think Clifton can handle much more than 40k and I don't think we need to.

That's a good point. If they ever did increase the capacity another 5-10k, there woukd have to be some infrastructure changes around Clifron. The garages and streets around the school cannot handle it now. The city would have to be willing to let UC build a garage and tailgate lot in Burnett woods.

(10-05-2015 01:10 PM)jarr Wrote:  

(10-05-2015 01:06 PM)AeroCat Wrote:  Honestly, after dealing with the traffic/parking nightmare last Thursday night, I don't think Clifton can handle much more than 40k and I don't think we need to.

That's a good point. If they ever did increase the capacity another 5-10k, there woukd have to be some infrastructure changes around Clifron. The garages and streets around the school cannot handle it now. The city would have to be willing to let UC build a garage and tailgate lot in Burnett woods.

That would be great, like Washington Park in OTR.

I know this wasn't the OP's question, but I think we're right about the sweet spot at this point in time. It's far from the biggest, but it is one of the best. There's always be yahoos looking for things to knock, but I don't think P5 conference admissions committees care. It's not like they get a cut of the gate when they play at UC. If things change, Shank (east side upper deck) is the obvious place to add seats, but even then we are only talking 5-10K at most I think. But the actual number thing is overblown - it's about revenue. And PBS is the obvious solution if we find ourselves needing more although it's not ideal from a season ticket standpoint.

(10-05-2015 01:12 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(10-05-2015 01:10 PM)jarr Wrote:  

(10-05-2015 01:06 PM)AeroCat Wrote:  Honestly, after dealing with the traffic/parking nightmare last Thursday night, I don't think Clifton can handle much more than 40k and I don't think we need to.

That's a good point. If they ever did increase the capacity another 5-10k, there woukd have to be some infrastructure changes around Clifron. The garages and streets around the school cannot handle it now. The city would have to be willing to let UC build a garage and tailgate lot in Burnett woods.

That would be great, like Washington Park in OTR.

Students would actually use something like that

(10-05-2015 01:18 PM)jarr Wrote:  

(10-05-2015 01:12 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(10-05-2015 01:10 PM)jarr Wrote:  

(10-05-2015 01:06 PM)AeroCat Wrote:  Honestly, after dealing with the traffic/parking nightmare last Thursday night, I don't think Clifton can handle much more than 40k and I don't think we need to.

That's a good point. If they ever did increase the capacity another 5-10k, there woukd have to be some infrastructure changes around Clifron. The garages and streets around the school cannot handle it now. The city would have to be willing to let UC build a garage and tailgate lot in Burnett woods.

That would be great, like Washington Park in OTR.

Students would actually use something like that

They entire 45219, 45220 would use it.

(10-05-2015 01:16 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  I know this wasn't the OP's question, but I think we're right about the sweet spot at this point in time. It's far from the biggest, but it is one of the best. There's always be yahoos looking for things to knock, but I don't think P5 conference admissions committees care. It's not like they get a cut of the gate when they play at UC. If things change, Shank (east side upper deck) is the obvious place to add seats, but even then we are only talking 5-10K at most I think. And PBS is the obvious solution if we find ourselves needing more although it's not ideal from a season ticket standpoint.

I think for now, 40k is the sweet spot. However, if by the grace of God we ended up in a major conference bringing in Oklahoma and Texas, that sweet spot would move up to about 45k-50k.

I agree that adding on to the upper deck would be an easy way to increase the capacity, but those seats would be pretty nose bleed, and could be a hard sell.

(10-05-2015 12:12 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(10-05-2015 11:30 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(10-05-2015 11:21 AM)jarr Wrote:  I was having this discussion with somebody. I know it's a little far fetched right now, but I could see it possibly happen if we got P5 status.

1) If UC tore out the North end zone bleachers and wrapped around the two ends, about what capacity would be created?

2) Is this even possible? I they would have to tear down some of the athletic offices/received center to do so.

They could close off that endzone with right angle connections in the corner, but I don't think they'd be willing to knockout the athletic offices and the rec center for another couple thousand seats. I think we realistically will only be able to get 45,000-50,000 people in there maximum, and that's with a complete rebuild of the second deck.

I think 45-50K (maybe 40-45K) is the sweet spot for us for the foreseeable future. Attendance at CFB games are dwindling all over the country. If we need more than 50K to attend a game (which would be extremely rare) we can always play at PBS.

PBS CANNOT be used. The folks like myself who committed tens of thousands to hundreds of thousand to fund the new luxury suites and club seats will not allow it.

Adding Shank cheap priced seats will not pay for construction costs. The answer is add more Suites and Club seats where Shank is located and then add a new Shank above the new suites/Clubs. These seats generate the BIG BUCKS.

(10-05-2015 01:38 PM)dossbig Wrote:  PBS CANNOT be used. The folks like myself who committed tens of thousands to hundreds of thousand to fund the new luxury suites and club seats will not allow it.

Adding Shank cheap priced seats will not pay for construction costs. The answer is add more Suites and Club seats where Shank is located and then add a new Shank above the new suites/Clubs. These seats generate the BIG BUCKS.

Seems to me we still have a lot of open seats in the current expensive area that need filled before we decide to build more.

As to someone's else's parking/traffic problem, I got there two hours early and drove straight into campus with no delays and drove straight into a parking garage on Calhoun. Cost me $9 when I left.

It sounded like a fiasco for those arriving near kickoff, and I realize that is destined to happen on a weeknight game.

I think the capacity at this point is fine. I think what needs to happen next is to wait until the end of the season to review the issues that seem to be coming up and address them as soon as possible.

(10-05-2015 01:38 PM)dossbig Wrote:  

(10-05-2015 12:12 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(10-05-2015 11:30 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(10-05-2015 11:21 AM)jarr Wrote:  I was having this discussion with somebody. I know it's a little far fetched right now, but I could see it possibly happen if we got P5 status.

1) If UC tore out the North end zone bleachers and wrapped around the two ends, about what capacity would be created?

2) Is this even possible? I they would have to tear down some of the athletic offices/received center to do so.

They could close off that endzone with right angle connections in the corner, but I don't think they'd be willing to knockout the athletic offices and the rec center for another couple thousand seats. I think we realistically will only be able to get 45,000-50,000 people in there maximum, and that's with a complete rebuild of the second deck.

I think 45-50K (maybe 40-45K) is the sweet spot for us for the foreseeable future. Attendance at CFB games are dwindling all over the country. If we need more than 50K to attend a game (which would be extremely rare) we can always play at PBS.

PBS CANNOT be used. The folks like myself who committed tens of thousands to hundreds of thousand to fund the new luxury suites and club seats will not allow it.

Adding Shank cheap priced seats will not pay for construction costs. The answer is add more Suites and Club seats where Shank is located and then add a new Shank above the new suites/Clubs. These seats generate the BIG BUCKS.

Im hard pressed to believe that there is significantly more demand for suites and hyper- expensive club seats. Only if we get a P5 invite.

(10-05-2015 02:00 PM)Bruce Monnin Wrote:  

(10-05-2015 01:38 PM)dossbig Wrote:  PBS CANNOT be used. The folks like myself who committed tens of thousands to hundreds of thousand to fund the new luxury suites and club seats will not allow it.

Adding Shank cheap priced seats will not pay for construction costs. The answer is add more Suites and Club seats where Shank is located and then add a new Shank above the new suites/Clubs. These seats generate the BIG BUCKS.

Seems to me we still have a lot of open seats in the current expensive area that need filled before we decide to build more.

As to someone's else's parking/traffic problem, I got there two hours early and drove straight into campus with no delays and drove straight into a parking garage on Calhoun. Cost me $9 when I left.

It sounded like a fiasco for those arriving near kickoff, and I realize that is destined to happen on a weeknight game.

Maybe the demand profile for premium seats changes with an invite to a P5 conference. But currently, having the club seats half full (and the last 3 sections nearly completely empty) doesn't look very good.

They don't need seats they need revenue, hence the discussion last year of adding end zone box seats.