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(10-05-2015 01:16 AM)Native Georgian Wrote:  
(10-04-2015 11:39 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  The Vols can't fire Jones yet. His coaching is definitely suspect, but UT can't go through 3 coaches in 10 years.
This.

The Vols have made so many mistakes since 1998... There's a great book to be written about their football-decline since then.

Hiring Dooley's son was a mistake in the first place, IMHO but he was still fired too soon.
Kiffin and Dooley were Mike Hamilton hires, who forced out Fulmer to start this mess. He's now gone. But if you really want to destroy a program, incompetent coaches isn't the way to go. All you need to do is make one bad AD hire and let nature take its course.

However, IMO Peyton would not be a bad hire, no matter when the Vols make the call. He's the most popular person in east Tennessee. There are as many Bronco fans in Knoxville as there are Titans or Falcons fans, simply because Peyton plays for the Broncos. Hiring him as head coach, or even QB coach, would guarantee season tickets sell out in record time.

So it wouldn't be a bad move at all. The income from the excitement generated around Knoxville would make it a winning move.
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(10-04-2015 10:47 AM)Nebraskafan Wrote:  Nebraska was right in firing Pelini, but the dumb AD hired a 500 percent career head coach. So now a search for a new head coach will be conducted at the end of this season or next when he has a losing season. You aren't going to survive at Nebraska when you go 4-8, which is looking to be a best case scenario now.

I know it feels like everything is going wrong for the Huskers, but they do have a decent team and have been in extremely close games. Riley has a different system, and they will get better at it this year. It is not hard to see them knocking off Wisconsin, Northwestern, Minnesota, or Iowa. The talent difference is not that big, and the law of averages suggests that Nebraska will have a few balls bounce it's way.
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(10-05-2015 01:16 AM)Native Georgian Wrote:  
(10-04-2015 11:39 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  The Vols can't fire Jones yet. His coaching is definitely suspect, but UT can't go through 3 coaches in 10 years.
This.

The Vols have made so many mistakes since 1998... There's a great book to be written about their football-decline since then.

Hiring Dooley's son was a mistake in the first place, IMHO but he was still fired too soon.
Yeah, a too-quick trigger finger is part of what got them into a hole in the first place. Butch is likely to have a full season to make the case that the program is on the upward path.

And after all, its not like setting a record on the size of the lead surrendered was an issue for the Vols a few seasons back ... their problem was more in finding a way to get into the lead in the first place.
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(10-05-2015 12:56 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  
(10-05-2015 12:51 AM)esayem Wrote:  It will be interesting to see what Manning does; it seems like most former superstars prefer the announcing booth to the sidelines.

Most former superstars don't run their own Quarterback Academies.

Not sure I understand why running a QB academy qualifies one to be the head coach of a major college football program.
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For the record, it took Harbaugh 13 years of coaching to get the Stanford HC job, and 10 to get the San Diego (FCS) job, his first HC position. For those who think Manning will retire and be a big coaching possibility immediately, well, don't get your hopes up.
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(10-05-2015 09:20 AM)esayem Wrote:  
(10-05-2015 12:56 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  
(10-05-2015 12:51 AM)esayem Wrote:  It will be interesting to see what Manning does; it seems like most former superstars prefer the announcing booth to the sidelines.

Most former superstars don't run their own Quarterback Academies.

Not sure I understand why running a QB academy qualifies one to be the head coach of a major college football program.

It doesn't.

It might qualify you to be a QB coach or a lower level program's OC though.
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(10-05-2015 09:28 AM)esayem Wrote:  For the record, it took Harbaugh 13 years of coaching to get the Stanford HC job, and 10 to get the San Diego (FCS) job, his first HC position. For those who think Manning will retire and be a big coaching possibility immediately, well, don't get your hopes up.

I know nothing about coaching, nor being an NFL quarterback, but I would assume there would be a big difference between the two. I'd even venture to guess it would take years of ass. coaching, moving up to OC or DC before you could even think about being a head coach.
A awesome QB does not necessarily make you a awesome head coach.
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I've always enjoyed watching Peyton, but the Peyton of today isn't the Peyton of old. Age, injuries, and a new and unfamiliar scheme are slowly dragging him down. I hate to see a talent like that outlive its usefulness. It's like watching Unitas, who tried to hang around too long and became a somewhat inept caricature of himself.

What if Peyton were to ascend to the HC job at Tennessee and, for whatever reason, was unable to turn things around? Or what if he had a few highly successful years and then the program faltered, as all programs inevitably do? Once established there, it would be awfully difficult for an AD to get rid of him.
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Strong has had 1 recruiting season, the young guys look better than the guys that was already on board, I say UT better be patient, besides Strong was there 4/5 choice for the job, they couldn't land any bigger names even though they had the big money truck in hand...
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(10-05-2015 09:28 AM)esayem Wrote:  For the record, it took Harbaugh 13 years of coaching to get the Stanford HC job, and 10 to get the San Diego (FCS) job, his first HC position. For those who think Manning will retire and be a big coaching possibility immediately, well, don't get your hopes up.

Not that much time. Jim Harbaugh was a part-time volunteer assistant (i.e., so he could legally recruit) while he was an active NFL player, for the WKU team coached by his dad.

After Jim retired from the NFL, he was a Raiders assistant for two years before taking the USD head coaching job. So, five years of full-time coaching before he got the Stanford head coaching job.

Getting a job at a non-scholarship FCS program is a path that Peyton Manning is unlikely to take, but five years between the start of his coaching career and becoming a P5 head coach is realistic, if he even wants to be a coach. Getting both NFL and college coaching experience would help, too. A good place to start might be on the Duke staff of his friend (and his Tennessee QB coach) David Cutcliffe.
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Peyton doesn't come across as a recruiter. He comes across as an x's and o's guy. Sure people have said things about TN and all of that, but when it comes down to it, when he retires, he will remain in the NFL.

NFL vs talking to pimple faced teenagers and having "going to homecoming dance" talks vs game planning talks? Yeah, we know where he will go when it comes that time.
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(10-05-2015 08:00 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  
(10-05-2015 01:16 AM)Native Georgian Wrote:  
(10-04-2015 11:39 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  The Vols can't fire Jones yet. His coaching is definitely suspect, but UT can't go through 3 coaches in 10 years.
This.

The Vols have made so many mistakes since 1998... There's a great book to be written about their football-decline since then.

Hiring Dooley's son was a mistake in the first place, IMHO but he was still fired too soon.
Kiffin and Dooley were Mike Hamilton hires, who forced out Fulmer to start this mess. He's now gone. But if you really want to destroy a program, incompetent coaches isn't the way to go. All you need to do is make one bad AD hire and let nature take its course.

However, IMO Peyton would not be a bad hire, no matter when the Vols make the call. He's the most popular person in east Tennessee. There are as many Bronco fans in Knoxville as there are Titans or Falcons fans, simply because Peyton plays for the Broncos. Hiring him as head coach, or even QB coach, would guarantee season tickets sell out in record time.

So it wouldn't be a bad move at all. The income from the excitement generated around Knoxville would make it a winning move.
You know, he lives part time in west Tn now...Memphis area. In fact, he owns part of the Grizzlies. He may be Fuente's replacement if he moves on. After all, he'd probably want to coach the best team in the state over the last 2 years in the Memphis Tigers....05-stirthepot
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(10-05-2015 01:13 PM)tigerjamesc Wrote:  
(10-05-2015 08:00 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  
(10-05-2015 01:16 AM)Native Georgian Wrote:  
(10-04-2015 11:39 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  The Vols can't fire Jones yet. His coaching is definitely suspect, but UT can't go through 3 coaches in 10 years.
This.

The Vols have made so many mistakes since 1998... There's a great book to be written about their football-decline since then.

Hiring Dooley's son was a mistake in the first place, IMHO but he was still fired too soon.
Kiffin and Dooley were Mike Hamilton hires, who forced out Fulmer to start this mess. He's now gone. But if you really want to destroy a program, incompetent coaches isn't the way to go. All you need to do is make one bad AD hire and let nature take its course.

However, IMO Peyton would not be a bad hire, no matter when the Vols make the call. He's the most popular person in east Tennessee. There are as many Bronco fans in Knoxville as there are Titans or Falcons fans, simply because Peyton plays for the Broncos. Hiring him as head coach, or even QB coach, would guarantee season tickets sell out in record time.

So it wouldn't be a bad move at all. The income from the excitement generated around Knoxville would make it a winning move.
You know, he lives part time in west Tn now...Memphis area. In fact, he owns part of the Grizzlies. He may be Fuente's replacement if he moves on. After all, he'd probably want to coach the best team in the state over the last 2 years in the Memphis Tigers....05-stirthepot
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(10-05-2015 09:28 AM)esayem Wrote:  For the record, it took Harbaugh 13 years of coaching to get the Stanford HC job, and 10 to get the San Diego (FCS) job, his first HC position. For those who think Manning will retire and be a big coaching possibility immediately, well, don't get your hopes up.

Desperate times call for desperate measures. I don't know why some of you guys are so desperate to **** on the idea but that happened as well when I talked about Harbaugh being a sure thing for Michigan.

No one thought a successful coach in the NFL would go down to the college ranks.

I look into these things more deeply than your average forum poster, such as yourselves.
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(10-05-2015 12:20 PM)Nebraskafan Wrote:  Peyton doesn't come across as a recruiter. He comes across as an x's and o's guy. Sure people have said things about TN and all of that, but when it comes down to it, when he retires, he will remain in the NFL.

NFL vs talking to pimple faced teenagers and having "going to homecoming dance" talks vs game planning talks? Yeah, we know where he will go when it comes that time.

He is Peyton f'n Manning. He doesn't come across as a recruiter????

All he would have to do is walk into the house of the top quarterback prospect in the country and he will get him. You get that guy and the rest just falls into place.
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(10-05-2015 09:28 AM)esayem Wrote:  For the record, it took Harbaugh 13 years of coaching to get the Stanford HC job, and 10 to get the San Diego (FCS) job, his first HC position.
Tulane came thisclose to offering Harbaugh the HC job in December 2006. It came down to him or Bob Toledo who had some very strong teams at UCLA. I think everyone could tell Harbaugh was on the way up but at the time he had only been HC for two years at a non-scholarship program, and Tulane decided that just wasn't enough. Yet a mere 1 year later, Stanford gave him the call. Oh, well...
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(10-05-2015 11:00 AM)Wedge Wrote:  Not that much time. Jim Harbaugh was a part-time volunteer assistant (i.e., so he could legally recruit) while he was an active NFL player, for the WKU team coached by his dad.
So if Manning went that path at Tennessee, he would be a part-time Volunteers volunteer assistant?
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(10-05-2015 08:17 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  
(10-05-2015 11:00 AM)Wedge Wrote:  Not that much time. Jim Harbaugh was a part-time volunteer assistant (i.e., so he could legally recruit) while he was an active NFL player, for the WKU team coached by his dad.
So if Manning went that path at Tennessee, he would be a part-time Volunteers volunteer assistant?

It's Peyton Manning, he is a much bigger name than Harbaugh. Harbaugh was a mediocre quarterback when he played but he understood football which led him to the path of coaching.

Peyton is an Elite QB talent that is also seen as one of the most intelligent football minds in the game.

Folks trying to create comparisons for Peyton when it comes to moving into the coaching world will fail every time. That is why the success of Harbaugh is relevant. It isn't about what Peyton could do, it is about what he could possibly surpass.

Tennessee needs him. I know folks were hyping up what Butch was going to do but anyone that had a perspective far enough away knew that it likely wasn't going to go as well as the hype was predicting. All that recruit ranking stuff is basically BS. They give the rankings based upon whom is looking at particular rankings.

Peyton on the other hand, he wouldn't be limited in his recruiting. He could go anywhere in the country to get whom he wants for his offense. The moment he would get his QB, that QB would get a major bump in the recruit rankings which would then lead to immediate signings of offensive linemen and receivers.

Everyone is acting as if this would be hard for Peyton and that he wouldn't be good as a coach. No other coach in the college football world has his complete background.
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(10-05-2015 08:17 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  
(10-05-2015 11:00 AM)Wedge Wrote:  Not that much time. Jim Harbaugh was a part-time volunteer assistant (i.e., so he could legally recruit) while he was an active NFL player, for the WKU team coached by his dad.
So if Manning went that path at Tennessee, he would be a part-time Volunteers volunteer assistant?

I think Peyton would start out as a full-time assistant if he went into coaching. Harbaugh did the part-time stuff while he was still playing, and AFAIK did it primarily so he could be around the team during the off-season and use his NFLness to help his dad recruit.

Peyton did say this recently:

Quote:"Quarterbacks coach, I would do at Tennessee. Head coach? Absolutely not," Manning said." "People in Tennessee like me right now, Dan — I don't know why. But you become the head coach and cut that in half right away. ‘Why are you throwing it on 4th and 1? Why did you punt there; you should go for it.' Cut it in half -- it's like being in politics...

"Quarterbacks coach, you probably could stay under the radar. You get your quarterbacks throwing a lot of completions, you probably could stay in good favor. Maybe if they call, that'd be something."
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Peyton Manning has a world of options to choose from when he retires. He could be an announcer, a coach or go the Merlin Olsen route and become an actor. Or start a rival pizza chain.
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