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(10-06-2015 02:45 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  
(10-06-2015 02:26 PM)Afflicted Wrote:  
(10-06-2015 01:58 PM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  
(10-06-2015 01:36 PM)Afflicted Wrote:  
(10-06-2015 01:00 PM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  For the millionth time, it isn't how good WKU - or even Baylor - was that's upsetting. It's how flat and uninspired Rice was that's bothersome.

Over the years I have watched some really bad Rice teams get pounded in to the turf yet not been disgusted by the performance. The WKU game was different.
It's both, and I acknowledged as much. And WKU does have a good team. Their only loss was on the road to Indiana and I'll be very surprised if they don't win the conference. Give credit where credit is due. G5, directional unversities are capable of having good teams.

Credit where it's due, then: WKU was well-prepared, their defensive backs did ok in man coverage, and their D-line didn't have many holes. I wasn't particularly impressed by them, though.

So, you didn't notice that they were bigger and more physical? Not at all? It's the first thing that jumped out at me. Their receivers were tall and their linemen were bigger than ours.

Yeah, and we heard the exact same excuse last year after the LaTech debacle...only that does not explain how Northwestern State managed to beat them at home, and weaker than us USM and UTEP team just barely lost to them. It's coaching, plain and simple.

I'm not sure why folks are in denial. Our coaching is awful. A bunch of status quo guys too grateful and perhaps afraid of their jobs to think outside the box.
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(10-07-2015 03:00 PM)Afflicted Wrote:  
(10-07-2015 02:19 PM)Wiessman Wrote:  A companion point:

Let's say that WKU really is a top-25 team. Great, good for them, good for the league. CUSA: A Future of Excellence (in sports...)

But then, with our means and supposedly beneficial continuity over all these years, why are we now 100+?

Pan95 posted the current depth chart on another thread. If he's correct, there are six D-linemen who started the season on the depth chart who are now off of it due to injury. This is on top of losing Covington, Nordstrom, Patt, and Klare to graduation last year. This probably has something to do with why we are currently ranked outside the top 100. We have a DL that can't pressure the quarterback and a young secondary that's getting burnt.

You knew this going into the season. It was obvious during the spring. Yet Bailiff would rave about the throw DJ made which should have been picked off yet our corners don't know how to look back at the ball. At that point you realize, teams are going to score on us we need to revamp the offense, speed it up, open up the passing game, become more creative. Yet we get 10 points against FAU. 3 really if not for a missed tackle against Turner on 4 and goal.
Running a draw on 3 and 15 is not innovative.
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(10-09-2015 07:24 AM)GoodOwl Wrote:  According to the party line, we are still exactly on track to win CUSA at this point and all is well.

I challenge you to provide a source for this statement. I have not seen anyone say or write anything about Rice being "exactly on track" to win CUSA. It is a possibility still, but that is all. The inaccuracy and hyperbole with which you and Walt have been writing is losing you credibility and possible support, IMHO. I encourage you and others like you to start citing sources (use hyperlinks!!!) or state facts to support your arguments. Your arguments do have merit, but supporting them with misleading quotes, gross over-generalizations, and overstatements does your arguments a disservice.
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(10-09-2015 08:53 AM)mrbig Wrote:  
(10-09-2015 07:24 AM)GoodOwl Wrote:  According to the party line, we are still exactly on track to win CUSA at this point and all is well.

I challenge you to provide a source for this statement. I have not seen anyone say or write anything about Rice being "exactly on track" to win CUSA. It is a possibility still, but that is all. The inaccuracy and hyperbole with which you and Walt have been writing is losing you credibility and possible support, IMHO. I encourage you and others like you to start citing sources (use hyperlinks!!!) or state facts to support your arguments. Your arguments do have merit, but supporting them with misleading quotes, gross over-generalizations, and overstatements does your arguments a disservice.

Antarius might be willing to train you guys on this. That dude can twist any fact or data point to fit his argument. He's good.

But seriously, what coach is going to communicate, in any way, to his players anything but winning the championship? These coaches know what their dealing with here. It's gonna be tough, but all the team's goals are still in front of them.
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(10-09-2015 08:53 AM)mrbig Wrote:  
(10-09-2015 07:24 AM)GoodOwl Wrote:  According to the party line, we are still exactly on track to win CUSA at this point and all is well.

I challenge you to provide a source for this statement. I have not seen anyone say or write anything about Rice being "exactly on track" to win CUSA. It is a possibility still, but that is all. The inaccuracy and hyperbole with which you and Walt have been writing is losing you credibility and possible support, IMHO. I encourage you and others like you to start citing sources (use hyperlinks!!!) or state facts to support your arguments. Your arguments do have merit, but supporting them with misleading quotes, gross over-generalizations, and overstatements does your arguments a disservice.

The source is David Bailiff himself. And he is actually correct about this at the moment. Though we appear to be faltering, the fact is we are still at the moment exactly on track to win CUSA. Until that changes it is a true statement. Now, the belief that it will happen seems to be an entirely different matter. But there'd probably be no Vegas bookmaking industry if you didn't have people on both sides.

A sports board is not a courtroom, and rules of evidence don't apply (the unwritten rules of the parliament apparently being an exception.) It seems silly to have to point that out, but apparently necessary. Opinions, gut feelings, reactions, hyperbole, etc... are the foundation of sports fandom in America and around the world, and the reason college sports are a trillion-dollar industry, and generate so much interest.

That some folks assert that the same standards don't apply here is rather comical. If everyone treated college sports opinions as you are suggesting there'd likely be little to no interest, the amateurism model would likely still be fully intact, and college coaches would have to supplement their meager salaries with off-season jobs. I'm not sure that'd be very fun, but others may.

If you can have hyperbole in the Bible, certainly it is permissible on a sports opinion board. But if the use of hyperbole renders a source un-creditable, then much of Judaism, Islam and Christianity is folly by that standard. I've certainly run into many who make that elementary mistake, but would admittedly be surprised to find you among that crowd.
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You generally make fair points. But I disagree with attributing your hyperbole to others. Stating your own opinions is great. Using facts to support your opinions is great. Acting like your opinions are fact is not great. Using hyperbole in stating your opinions is great. Using hyperbole to try and misstate or twist others' opinions is not great.

But that's just my opinion. I find the discussions on the board to be more enjoyable and intellectually productive if there are clear lines between opinion and fact, and where we state our own opinions rather that stating the opinions of others (often incorrectly).

I mean seriously, you have been putting a phrase in quotes, acting like someone said or wrote it, when apparently no one did. That crosses a line for me, maybe because I try to be extremely careful with what I write, and try to support my arguments with facts.

I mean, this is a sports message board, but we are a small community and a lot of us know, interact, and/or have met outside this forum. to that extent, what we write here and how we write it often sets a first impression. And we know lots of decision-makers lurk here (and some of them likely post on occasion). If I am ever fortunate enough to have a substantive conversation with one of them about Rice athletics, I would like the first impression they had of me from this forum to be fair and reflective of whom I am, and not lead them to instantly ignore my thoughts, or take them with a heaping grain of salt.
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(10-09-2015 10:12 AM)mrbig Wrote:  You generally make fair points. But I disagree with attributing your hyperbole to others. Stating your own opinions is great. Using facts to support your opinions is great. Acting like your opinions are fact is not great. Using hyperbole in stating your opinions is great. Using hyperbole to try and misstate or twist others' opinions is not great.

But that's just my opinion. I find the discussions on the board to be more enjoyable and intellectually productive if there are clear lines between opinion and fact, and where we state our own opinions rather that stating the opinions of others (often incorrectly).

I mean seriously, you have been putting a phrase in quotes, acting like someone said or wrote it, when apparently no one did. That crosses a line for me, maybe because I try to be extremely careful with what I write, and try to support my arguments with facts.

I mean, this is a sports message board, but we are a small community and a lot of us know, interact, and/or have met outside this forum. to that extent, what we write here and how we write it often sets a first impression. And we know lots of decision-makers lurk here (and some of them likely post on occasion). If I am ever fortunate enough to have a substantive conversation with one of them about Rice athletics, I would like the first impression they had of me from this forum to be fair and reflective of whom I am, and not lead them to instantly ignore my thoughts, or take them with a heaping grain of salt.

Ok. That's your opinion of what a sports message board is, and you are certainly entitled to choose it. I don't take a sports opinion board nearly as seriously as I take a court proceeding, but others are welcomed to if that is their desire. Having experience in both areas I choose to make that distinction. As far as the allegations, it doesn't seem worth the trouble, but if it entertains you, by all means go ahead. It's a sports opinion board, after all.

I think participating is great, whatever the opinion or perspective. If the board fostered more diversity of opinion in these matters perhaps others would feel safer to join and follow. I would strongly caution anyone who disagreed with the prevailing view to think about joining and posting, as their views might not find a happy home here.

I can call a 23-year-old Chevy Citation a Porsche. I might even put a Porsche badge on it and get someone to buy it from me at a Porsche price, but that will never change that it is not Porsche, but is in fact a 23-year-old Chevy Citation.

I know I lurked for a great while because I did not see much diversity here, and finally joined to attempt to provide a different perspective as is found on most every other sports opinion board. I also like to have fun, otherwise to me it would not be worth participating in an activity. Oh, and this may come as a shock, but nobody's perfect, as it appears most every other poster appears to hold themselves, which is off-putting, and calls for hyperbole to balance the other extreme. This isn't linked in, so I'm not trying to use it as such. I'm a fan of my school and would like to see it do as well as any other school on the fields of play. To the extent it does, I am happy to cheer. To the extent it is having problems doing so, I'm happy to offer my choice of perspective. I'm pro-choice.
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I really don't know what to expect. They get their quarterback healthy and have had two weeks to prepare for the game. Our backs are against a wall and we're trying to salvage a season. I'll take Rice 38-31. It would be a very big win for this team.
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(10-09-2015 10:12 AM)mrbig Wrote:  putting a phrase in quotes, acting like someone said or wrote it, when apparently no one did.

I sometimes do this as opposed to using italics in an attempt to sum up a theme rather than to attribute a quote. I know it's not correct, but it's expedient. I'm not saying that happened in any specific event, merely that I often don't follow the rules of English on chat boards... I sometimes use all caps to EMPHASIZE a particular word or thought... which to some people is screaming. See there, I started to put that in quotes.
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(10-09-2015 10:34 AM)GoodOwl Wrote:  I think participating is great, whatever the opinion or perspective. If the board fostered more diversity of opinion in these matters perhaps others would feel safer to join and follow. I would strongly caution anyone who disagreed with the prevailing view to think about joining and posting, as their views might not find a happy home here.

This is the kind of drivel that drives me nuts. Maybe you are just trolling me for fun at this point? Your opinions and views are welcome here. Hell, half the people you are arguing with probably agree with you more than we disagree with you (myself included). It is not your opinion or view that bothers us, or at least me (perhaps I should follow my own advice and not speak/write for others, though I think at a minimum Optimistic Owl and RiceLad15 feel largely the same way I feel). It is the way that, in my opinion, you try to substantiate your opinions and views by: (1) not citing facts; (2) treating your opinions as fact; (3) incorrectly categorizing the opinions of those who do not fully agree with you; and (4) engaging in repeated hyperbole (like you did in this quote).

I encourage all you lurkers out there to get involved with this board. 95% of the time it is fun. 5% of the time you might want to pull your hair out. But not any moreso than reading all of this as a lurker, and at least then you will get to say your 2-cents worth!

And for goodness sakes, lets NOT turn The Parliament into most other sports message boards out there. I like that the quality of posts is sometimes extremely high, including many, many posts from GoodOwl and Walt, with whom I am currently having disagreements!
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(10-09-2015 11:48 AM)Hambone10 Wrote:  
(10-09-2015 10:12 AM)mrbig Wrote:  putting a phrase in quotes, acting like someone said or wrote it, when apparently no one did.

I sometimes do this as opposed to using italics in an attempt to sum up a theme rather than to attribute a quote. I know it's not correct, but it's expedient. I'm not saying that happened in any specific event, merely that I often don't follow the rules of English on chat boards... I sometimes use all caps to EMPHASIZE a particular word or thought... which to some people is screaming. See there, I started to put that in quotes.

Fair points. It just felt like in this particular instance, it was being used as a direct quote. I'm sure I've put things in quotes when italics, underline, or bold would have been more appropriate.
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(10-09-2015 11:51 AM)mrbig Wrote:  
(10-09-2015 11:48 AM)Hambone10 Wrote:  
(10-09-2015 10:12 AM)mrbig Wrote:  putting a phrase in quotes, acting like someone said or wrote it, when apparently no one did.

I sometimes do this as opposed to using italics in an attempt to sum up a theme rather than to attribute a quote. I know it's not correct, but it's expedient. I'm not saying that happened in any specific event, merely that I often don't follow the rules of English on chat boards... I sometimes use all caps to EMPHASIZE a particular word or thought... which to some people is screaming. See there, I started to put that in quotes.

Fair points. It just felt like in this particular instance, it was being used as a direct quote. I'm sure I've put things in quotes when italics, underline, or bold would have been more appropriate.

Yes, it was in this instance.

I like your previous post and don't really like the opposing views are not welcome here comments by some


This is a Rice board. Rice people don't generally simply accept things. We challenge everything... not out of spite or some sense of superiority, but out of a search for better information/knowledge.

If we disagree, we say why and ask why.

If you have a 'minority' opinion and don't like being asked why, this isn't the place for you... NOT because minority opinions aren't welcome, but because that is how people challenge their OWN opinions. You may or may not convince someone to change their mind, but it is FAR better to be asked to defend your opinion than to simply have it dismissed out of hand.

I have my opinions. You (one) can ask me why and I will tell you. You may or may not share the conviction of my reasons and thus we may disagree... or you may agree with me but for an entirely different reason.

THAT is good discourse, imo.
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(10-09-2015 11:49 AM)mrbig Wrote:  
(10-09-2015 10:34 AM)GoodOwl Wrote:  I think participating is great, whatever the opinion or perspective. If the board fostered more diversity of opinion in these matters perhaps others would feel safer to join and follow. I would strongly caution anyone who disagreed with the prevailing view to think about joining and posting, as their views might not find a happy home here.

This is the kind of drivel that drives me nuts. Maybe you are just trolling me for fun at this point? Your opinions and views are welcome here. Hell, half the people you are arguing with probably agree with you more than we disagree with you (myself included). It is not your opinion or view that bothers us, or at least me (perhaps I should follow my own advice and not speak/write for others, though I think at a minimum Optimistic Owl and RiceLad15 feel largely the same way I feel). It is the way that, in my opinion, you try to substantiate your opinions and views by: (1) not citing facts; (2) treating your opinions as fact; (3) incorrectly categorizing the opinions of those who do not fully agree with you; and (4) engaging in repeated hyperbole (like you did in this quote).

I encourage all you lurkers out there to get involved with this board. 95% of the time it is fun. 5% of the time you might want to pull your hair out. But not any moreso than reading all of this as a lurker, and at least then you will get to say your 2-cents worth!

And for goodness sakes, lets NOT turn The Parliament into most other sports message boards out there. I like that the quality of posts is sometimes extremely high, including many, many posts from GoodOwl and Walt, with whom I am currently having disagreements!

I agree with this wholeheartedly. I have to take a time out sometimes when I get worked up by "opposing points of view". But, ultimately, I come back and enjoy the dialogue. Even reexamine my own point of view on a lot of topics.
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Let's keep this love fest going tomorrow...
Please remember to cheer for the visiting Owls, even if a win hurts your message board agenda.

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(10-09-2015 10:26 PM)FeistyNightBird Wrote:  Let's keep this love fest going tomorrow...
Please remember to cheer for the visiting Owls, even if a win hurts your message board agenda.

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(10-09-2015 11:48 AM)Hambone10 Wrote:  
(10-09-2015 10:12 AM)mrbig Wrote:  putting a phrase in quotes, acting like someone said or wrote it, when apparently no one did.

I sometimes do this as opposed to using italics in an attempt to sum up a theme rather than to attribute a quote. I know it's not correct, but it's expedient. I'm not saying that happened in any specific event, merely that I often don't follow the rules of English on chat boards... I sometimes use all caps to EMPHASIZE a particular word or thought... which to some people is screaming. See there, I started to put that in quotes.

I sometimes use the quotes to indicate a particularly "sarcastic" or "wry" tone of voice orto indicate a generally accepted but misused topic like "play calling". Like Ham, I sometimes use all caps to EMPHASIZE a word or phrase, especially if I am trying to emphasize the difference in a phrase, such as the difference between INDICTING somebody and ACCUSING them.
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