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State of ACC Football Coaching
Here's what ESPN wrote about Al Golden:

Quote:Uh, what?: There were a handful of head-scratching decisions from the Miami staff in the second half. There were questionable play calls. Miami employed a conservative approach throughout most of the game, even punting from the Cincinnati 41-yard line on the Canes' best drive of the third quarter. Miami let 35 seconds bleed off the clock from inside the Cincinnati 10-yard line with less than five minutes left. Trailing by 11 with about 4:45 to play, the Hurricanes went for it on fourth down from the Cincinnati 5. Miami, which was conservative all game, could have kicked the field goal to extend the game. The defense was playing well enough that the Canes could have gotten the ball back.
http://espn.go.com/blog/acc/post/_/id/86...-al-golden

Golden is by no means the only ACC coach who is "in over his head".

Frank Beamer has not been able to keep up with changes in the game.

Mike London was never competent to begin with.

Jimbo is good. Addazio does more with less. Dabo has surrounded himself with a good staff...

What do you think about the rest?
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RE: State of ACC Football Coaching
(10-02-2015 10:27 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Here's what ESPN wrote about Al Golden:

Quote:Uh, what?: There were a handful of head-scratching decisions from the Miami staff in the second half. There were questionable play calls. Miami employed a conservative approach throughout most of the game, even punting from the Cincinnati 41-yard line on the Canes' best drive of the third quarter. Miami let 35 seconds bleed off the clock from inside the Cincinnati 10-yard line with less than five minutes left. Trailing by 11 with about 4:45 to play, the Hurricanes went for it on fourth down from the Cincinnati 5. Miami, which was conservative all game, could have kicked the field goal to extend the game. The defense was playing well enough that the Canes could have gotten the ball back.
http://espn.go.com/blog/acc/post/_/id/86...-al-golden

Golden is by no means the only ACC coach who is "in over his head".

Frank Beamer has not been able to keep up with changes in the game.

Mike London was never competent to begin with.

Jimbo is good. Addazio does more with less. Dabo has surrounded himself with a good staff...

What do you think about the rest?

Dabo is the best coach in ACC.
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RE: State of ACC Football Coaching
Johnson is a high school coach.

Petrino is solid.

Pitt, Cuse, Wake, NC State all have unproven coaches.

Fedora isn't good.

Cutcliffe is alright.
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RE: State of ACC Football Coaching
I don't think Jimbo is a great coach. he would fail at most other schools. FSU is always going to get good recruits.
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RE: State of ACC Football Coaching
(10-02-2015 10:43 AM)ClemVegas Wrote:  
(10-02-2015 10:27 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Here's what ESPN wrote about Al Golden:

Quote:Uh, what?: There were a handful of head-scratching decisions from the Miami staff in the second half. There were questionable play calls. Miami employed a conservative approach throughout most of the game, even punting from the Cincinnati 41-yard line on the Canes' best drive of the third quarter. Miami let 35 seconds bleed off the clock from inside the Cincinnati 10-yard line with less than five minutes left. Trailing by 11 with about 4:45 to play, the Hurricanes went for it on fourth down from the Cincinnati 5. Miami, which was conservative all game, could have kicked the field goal to extend the game. The defense was playing well enough that the Canes could have gotten the ball back.
http://espn.go.com/blog/acc/post/_/id/86...-al-golden

Golden is by no means the only ACC coach who is "in over his head".

Frank Beamer has not been able to keep up with changes in the game.

Mike London was never competent to begin with.

Jimbo is good. Addazio does more with less. Dabo has surrounded himself with a good staff...

What do you think about the rest?

Dabo is the best coach in ACC.

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RE: State of ACC Football Coaching
(10-02-2015 10:49 AM)ClemVegas Wrote:  I don't think Jimbo is a great coach. he would fail at most other schools. FSU is always going to get good recruits.

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RE: State of ACC Football Coaching
'Winston is a great person' Jimbo

lol

what a genius


FSU was two year flash in the pan who got exposed by Oregon. FSU wasn't doing anything prior to Winston, didn't win the ACC for years.

Clemson is 6-6 against FSU last 12 years and are favored this year.
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(10-02-2015 10:43 AM)ClemVegas Wrote:  Dabo is the best coach in ACC.

From a neutral point of view.....Cutcliffe is the best coach in the ACC. He made a program out of nothing and has now sustained it for multiple years.
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RE: State of ACC Football Coaching
Cutcliffe is the best HC in ACC IMO as well, followed by Dabo. Jimbo isn't that great but he's not just mediocre.

Worst coach is Al Golden by a long shot. Turned a program with super strong recruiting and excitable fan base into a depressed group of failures. Woo.
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RE: State of ACC Football Coaching
(10-02-2015 11:08 AM)Otacon Wrote:  
(10-02-2015 10:43 AM)ClemVegas Wrote:  Dabo is the best coach in ACC.

From a neutral point of view.....Cutcliffe is the best coach in the ACC. He made a program out of nothing and has now sustained it for multiple years.

he's good too but Clemson had issues when Dabo was hire mid-season in 2008.

Why hasn't Groh been fired?

Miami's main problem is it is a private school and the stadium is like a hour from campus and way too hot of a place to play sports outside. lol
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(10-02-2015 11:08 AM)Otacon Wrote:  
(10-02-2015 10:43 AM)ClemVegas Wrote:  Dabo is the best coach in ACC.

From a neutral point of view.....Cutcliffe is the best coach in the ACC. He made a program out of nothing and has now sustained it for multiple years.

Hard to argue with that. What I wonder is whether Cutcliffe could elevate other ACC programs they way he has elevated Duke's. Let's face it - when he got there, the only way Duke could go was up. Before that, they were arguably one of the worst in all of FBS.

Could he do as well at Clemson as Dabo has? Or at Florida State? Some coaches have the ability to make their team very good, but not to make them great. They fit well at programs that have little to no expectation of ever being great. Schools like Duke and Northwestern fall into this category. So do a number of other ACC schools. They need to find their own Cutcliffe.
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State of ACC Football Coaching
I would have to put Jimbo ahead of Dabo right now just because he has won the ACC & a national championship. Both are great coaches. Cut is differently top 5 in the ACC.
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I would have Jimbo, Dabo, and Cut in my "rotating" top 3 with Bobby just outside that circle.
.........After that, it really is just a "pick-em" game. ...and even thought Coach Johnson won an Orange Bowl last year GTech just hasn't shocked the world enough like it needs too.

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(10-02-2015 11:11 AM)ClemVegas Wrote:  
(10-02-2015 11:08 AM)Otacon Wrote:  
(10-02-2015 10:43 AM)ClemVegas Wrote:  Dabo is the best coach in ACC.

From a neutral point of view.....Cutcliffe is the best coach in the ACC. He made a program out of nothing and has now sustained it for multiple years.

he's good too but Clemson had issues when Dabo was hire mid-season in 2008.

Why hasn't Groh been fired?

Miami's main problem is it is a private school and the stadium is like a hour from campus and way too hot of a place to play sports outside. lol

The weather has been fine this year. I haven't even gotten sunburned at all. Being a private school really isn't that big of a deal. We have the money and we have the fan base. The stadium has always been a drive, but SLS isn't too far. People will come if we actually have a program that isn't a dumpster fire. Which AG has ensured that it is.
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RE: State of ACC Football Coaching
Just so everybody is aware:

Swinney went 19-15 over his first 2+ seasons at Clemson. Then he hired Morris prior to the start of his 3rd full season as coach and started the current streak they're on.

19-15? Pretty terrible at a place like Clemson. But it's not like Tommy Bowden was doing any better. Well, in Bowden's final 34 games at Clemson he went 22-12.

During his final 34 games, Bowden went 5-2 against FSU and SCar. During Swinney's first 34 games, he went 2-4 in those matchups. Both coaches were 1-2 against GT.

After starting 2-4 against FSU and SCar in his first 6 meetings, he's only gotten worse. In his last 10 meetings his record is 2-8 (not including 2-2 vs GT). A grand total of 4-12 against FSU and SCar (and 3-4 vs GT) as Clemson head coach.

Clemson literally had to pay both its OC and DC a combined salary nearly equivalent to that of its HC for it to finally play at a level its facilities, fanbase and recruiting indicated it should be at.

Clemson was the favorite in that 2013 home EMBARRASSMENT against FSU. Clemson absolutely should've beaten Winston-less FSU in 2014 (that was - without a doubt - the worst Clemsoning I've ever seen). In 2012, Clemson was up 28-14 midway through the 3rd quarter before FSU went on a 35-3 run to close out the game and win by 12 (Clemson scored a late garbage-time TD to pull within 12).

Dabo's lone win against Jimbo came in 2011 at Clemson when backup QB Clint Trickett had his first career start while EJ Manuel was out with an injury. It was a close, 35-30 final.

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I don't have any issue with Cutcliffe being called the ACC's best.
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(10-02-2015 11:31 AM)Ole Blue Wrote:  We have the money and we have the fan base.

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(10-02-2015 11:45 AM)Marge Schott Wrote:  
(10-02-2015 11:31 AM)Ole Blue Wrote:  We have the money and we have the fan base.

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Don't kid yourself. Miami is a rich institution with an energetic fanbase coupled with lots of Wal-Mart fans.
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I like Dabo and Jimbo.....both are doing the job, but here is a comparison with some facts:



Jimbo
1 National Title
3 ACC Titles
4-1 Bowl Record
2 BCS Bowl Wins
1 Playoff Appearance
61-11 record
.847 Winning perct.

Dabo
0 National Title
1 ACC Title
4-3 Bowl Record
1 BCS Bowl Win
0 Playoff Appearance
64-26 record
.711 Winning perct.
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(10-02-2015 11:39 AM)Marge Schott Wrote:  Just so everybody is aware:

Swinney went 19-15 over his first 2+ seasons at Clemson. Then he hired Morris prior to the start of his 3rd full season as coach and started the current streak they're on.

19-15? Pretty terrible at a place like Clemson. But it's not like Tommy Bowden was doing any better. Well, in Bowden's final 34 games at Clemson he went 22-12.

During his final 34 games, Bowden went 5-2 against FSU and SCar. During Swinney's first 34 games, he went 2-4 in those matchups. Both coaches were 1-2 against GT.

After starting 2-4 against FSU and SCar in his first 6 meetings, he's only gotten worse. In his last 8 meetings his record is 2-8 (not including 2-2 vs GT). A grand total of 4-12 against FSU and SCar (and 3-4 vs GT) as Clemson head coach.

Clemson literally had to pay both its OC and DC a combined salary nearly equivalent to that of its HC for it to finally play at a level its facilities, fanbase and recruiting indicated it should be at.

Clemson was the favorite in that 2013 home EMBARRASSMENT against FSU. Clemson absolutely should've beaten Winston-less FSU in 2014 (that was - without a doubt - the worst Clemsoning I've ever seen). In 2012, Clemson was up 28-14 midway through the 3rd quarter before FSU went on a 35-3 run to close out the game and win by 12 (Clemson scored a late garbage-time TD to pull within 12).

Dabo's lone win against Jimbo came in 2011 at Clemson when backup QB Clint Trickett had his first career start while EJ Manuel was out with an injury. It was a close, 35-30 final.

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I don't have any issue with Cutcliffe being called the ACC's best.

I wouldn't even include Dabo's first two years. He wasn't even a coordinator before becoming a HC. Jimbo was a coordinator at LSU and FSU. Recruiting under Dabo has been light years better than it was under Bowden, but it took a while before it started to show up. Why complain about how he pays his coordinators. That's what the SEC does to get an advantage so I applaud him for figuring that out.

Dabo is now dealing with what Mack Brown dealt with his last two years at UNC....a really good team that can't get past FSU.

You talk junk about Dabo but the last 3 years no one has the OOC victories that he does.
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(10-02-2015 11:54 AM)Ole Blue Wrote:  
(10-02-2015 11:45 AM)Marge Schott Wrote:  
(10-02-2015 11:31 AM)Ole Blue Wrote:  We have the money and we have the fan base.

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Don't kid yourself. Miami is a rich institution with an energetic fanbase coupled with lots of Wal-Mart fans.

I'm the one that's kidding themselves?
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