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Now that OOC is over (Quick look at the Herd)
Coming into Marshall's conference opener, a lot has been learned thus far:

DEFENSE

Marshall is holding teams to an average of 22 ppg, so clearly the defense is the bright spot on the team. Many of the backups are STILL getting quality playing time and seem to be getting the schemes down.

The secondary HAS to get better. Once the strong point of the defense is now a serious question mark especially with the exit of AJ Leggett. The corners have to improve as there have been several blown coverage assignments already this year and this is simply unacceptable.

The D line seems to be holding their own, but it needs to improve on being able to get to the qb and plugging the run gaps.

The LB corps is clearly the bright spot. At the start of the season, it was a question mark.

OFFENSE

Chase Litton is growing up fast and seems to be doing enough to not lose games. His quick release, arm strength, and ability to look off receivers is relatively rare for a true freshman. His first INT vs Kent State was not his fault, but he has to be wiser than to throw the ball up for grabs (like his 2nd INT).

The receiving corps is perhaps the biggest disappointment so far this season. Receivers who once had stickum on their hands have now seemed to have dipped their gloves in Vaseline. The Herd is missing Shuler more than many, including me, expected. Marshall lacks a solid slot man who can get open over the middle, haul in the pass, take the hit, and hang on to the ball. This is where the departure of Jean-Louis has hurt somewhat. He is now at Div II Shepherd and is playing very so-so.

As Devon Johnson goes, so does Marshall go. The Herd seems like a completely different team when he is in. This had better change because Johnson could be out for the season. The good news is, he will qualify for a redshirt if he is. Watson, also hurt (last I heard) will be questionable for ODU. Another huge loss if true. However, Pittman and Davis have done a pretty good job filling in for them and with Hyleck Foster moving from WR to his natural position at RB, this should give the Herd a bit of a shot in the arm at the position.

The O-Line is still a work in progress. The unit has yet to gel and put together a solid performance vs an FBS squad. The good thing is that Marshall uses a pretty deep rotation as several O-linemen have been dinged up this year.

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The bright shining stars of the team. Tyler Williams continues to improve each game seemingly dropping the ball on a dime at will. Nick Smith has been a solid replacement for Haig. Matt Cincotta has been money with his long snaps, and Vedvik has been blasting the ball out of the end zone regularly.

Deandre Reeves. Need I say more?

INTANGIBLES

Marshall has been able to find a way to win despite adversity. Sometimes it's ugly, but a win is a win and the offense is at times so doggone frustrating that it has had me either beating up the JCE end zone bleachers (Purdue and NSU) or throwing objects at my TV (Ohio and Kent). This year there seems as though there is a lot more parity in CUSA, so it could be almost anyone's championship this year. It seems as though whenever things look most bleak for the Herd and they need a break, they get one. The offense has to be able to sustain drives in order to let the defense rest. But, 3-1 I feel is where most of us expected the Herd to be at this point. Barring a meltdown, the Herd will be bowling again this year, but perhaps not CUSA's top two. 9-3 seems pretty realistic at this point, so we will see.
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Don't forget shifting Foster to RB will assist in that depth concern now that Johnson and Watson are hurt.

We're 3-1, which as you say is where most of us expected we'd be, but it has been an incredibly shaky 3-1, IMO. I've revised my preseason prediction of 10-2 to 8-4 now.
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8-4 Seems about right. Games at FAU, MT and WKU seem like losses unless we play out of our minds and have help from the home team. USM, NT will be tough tasks at home for sure. jmo
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(10-01-2015 09:25 AM)RedParallax Wrote:  Don't forget shifting Foster to RB will assist in that depth concern now that Johnson and Watson are hurt.

We're 3-1, which as you say is where most of us expected we'd be, but it has been an incredibly shaky 3-1, IMO. I've revised my preseason prediction of 10-2 to 8-4 now.

Yeah, I forgot that one. Fixed it. Thanks.
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(10-01-2015 10:01 AM)SVHerd Wrote:  8-4 Seems about right. Games at FAU, MT and WKU seem like losses unless we play out of our minds and have help from the home team. USM, NT will be tough tasks at home for sure. jmo

I'd say potential remaining losses are USM, Middle Tennessee, WKU, and FIU. FAU hasn't played very well, and NT is awful.
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(10-01-2015 10:01 AM)SVHerd Wrote:  8-4 Seems about right. Games at FAU, MT and WKU seem like losses unless we play out of our minds and have help from the home team. USM, NT will be tough tasks at home for sure. jmo

I can buy into the concerns over MT and WKU, and I'll give you USM since their offense is playing pretty well. I can also see FAU as a borderline toss-up.

However, you lost me at "NT will be a tough task at home".
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(10-01-2015 10:23 AM)ARandomHerdFan Wrote:  
(10-01-2015 10:01 AM)SVHerd Wrote:  8-4 Seems about right. Games at FAU, MT and WKU seem like losses unless we play out of our minds and have help from the home team. USM, NT will be tough tasks at home for sure. jmo

I can buy into the concerns over MT and WKU, and I'll give you USM since their offense is playing pretty well. I can also see FAU as a borderline toss-up.

However, you lost me at "NT will be a tough task at home".

USM will be a tough game, but we gat them at home this year where we have played pretty well so far. FAU is down, but dangerous.

We should beat ODU, Charlotte, and UNT to go bowling. We also have FIU here and I think we will beat USM.
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(10-01-2015 11:38 AM)THUNDERGround Wrote:  
(10-01-2015 10:23 AM)ARandomHerdFan Wrote:  
(10-01-2015 10:01 AM)SVHerd Wrote:  8-4 Seems about right. Games at FAU, MT and WKU seem like losses unless we play out of our minds and have help from the home team. USM, NT will be tough tasks at home for sure. jmo

I can buy into the concerns over MT and WKU, and I'll give you USM since their offense is playing pretty well. I can also see FAU as a borderline toss-up.

However, you lost me at "NT will be a tough task at home".

USM will be a tough game, but we gat them at home this year where we have played pretty well so far. FAU is down, but dangerous.

We should beat ODU, Charlotte, and UNT to go bowling. We also have FIU here and I think we will beat USM.

USM will be a difficult game this year for all of us.
USM vs Marshall will be an interesting match up. USM's O vs Marshall's D - strength vs strength.
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(10-01-2015 01:40 PM)NanoDawg Wrote:  
(10-01-2015 11:38 AM)THUNDERGround Wrote:  
(10-01-2015 10:23 AM)ARandomHerdFan Wrote:  
(10-01-2015 10:01 AM)SVHerd Wrote:  8-4 Seems about right. Games at FAU, MT and WKU seem like losses unless we play out of our minds and have help from the home team. USM, NT will be tough tasks at home for sure. jmo

I can buy into the concerns over MT and WKU, and I'll give you USM since their offense is playing pretty well. I can also see FAU as a borderline toss-up.

However, you lost me at "NT will be a tough task at home".

USM will be a tough game, but we gat them at home this year where we have played pretty well so far. FAU is down, but dangerous.

We should beat ODU, Charlotte, and UNT to go bowling. We also have FIU here and I think we will beat USM.

USM will be a difficult game this year for all of us.
USM vs Marshall will be an interesting match up. USM's O vs Marshall's D - strength vs strength.

Yes, this game in particular seems to be very up in the air. I think it's going to come down to be in the Joan. Ita hard to beat Marshall at home even on a down year.
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(10-01-2015 01:49 PM)Surbadger Wrote:  
(10-01-2015 01:40 PM)NanoDawg Wrote:  
(10-01-2015 11:38 AM)THUNDERGround Wrote:  
(10-01-2015 10:23 AM)ARandomHerdFan Wrote:  
(10-01-2015 10:01 AM)SVHerd Wrote:  8-4 Seems about right. Games at FAU, MT and WKU seem like losses unless we play out of our minds and have help from the home team. USM, NT will be tough tasks at home for sure. jmo

I can buy into the concerns over MT and WKU, and I'll give you USM since their offense is playing pretty well. I can also see FAU as a borderline toss-up.

However, you lost me at "NT will be a tough task at home".

USM will be a tough game, but we gat them at home this year where we have played pretty well so far. FAU is down, but dangerous.

We should beat ODU, Charlotte, and UNT to go bowling. We also have FIU here and I think we will beat USM.

USM will be a difficult game this year for all of us.
USM vs Marshall will be an interesting match up. USM's O vs Marshall's D - strength vs strength.

Yes, this game in particular seems to be very up in the air. I think it's going to come down to be in the Joan. Ita hard to beat Marshall at home even on a down year.

you guys both have a warm up game this weekend against UNT and ODU. Momentum will be high for both teams coming into next week game. Based on what I saw of USM against MSU, USM will go all out this year. They were fun to watch that game.
Marshall D is very good/tough - I will have to give you guys that. If your O is half of what they were last year, you would have gone 4-0 with no sweat already.
I think you will beat FAU, FIU, UNT. Games against WKU, MT, and USM will be toss up.
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For the record the kickoffs that have been booming out of the endzone have been Curraj not Vedvick.
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(10-01-2015 10:01 AM)SVHerd Wrote:  8-4 Seems about right. Games at FAU, MT and WKU seem like losses unless we play out of our minds and have help from the home team. USM, NT will be tough tasks at home for sure. jmo

Middle and WKU sure.... FAU? They aren't near the team that wku and middle are.
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(10-01-2015 03:11 PM)goherd24herdfans Wrote:  
(10-01-2015 10:01 AM)SVHerd Wrote:  8-4 Seems about right. Games at FAU, MT and WKU seem like losses unless we play out of our minds and have help from the home team. USM, NT will be tough tasks at home for sure. jmo

Middle and WKU sure.... FAU? They aren't near the team that wku and middle are.

We dont play well down there and our offense is sputtering badly. Anything is possible with this team on the road, as evidenced by the OU and Kent games.
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If Litton would have played against Ohio then I think we would have won.

Our defense played great, and we couldn't do anything on offense.
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(10-02-2015 10:22 AM)FlyHawk98 Wrote:  If Litton would have played against Ohio then I think we would have won.

Our defense played great, and we couldn't do anything on offense.


A lot of IF's for sure. We never play well at OU and they just want the game more than we do.

I'll stick to my 8-4 and hope for the best.
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Southern Miss is going to be tough. Everyone else on the schedule I don't even think about.
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(10-01-2015 03:11 PM)goherd24herdfans Wrote:  
(10-01-2015 10:01 AM)SVHerd Wrote:  8-4 Seems about right. Games at FAU, MT and WKU seem like losses unless we play out of our minds and have help from the home team. USM, NT will be tough tasks at home for sure. jmo

Middle and WKU sure.... FAU? They aren't near the team that wku and middle are.

Neither are we
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