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RE: Basketball Practice to Start This Weekend?
(10-12-2015 06:21 PM)holybovine Wrote:  
(10-12-2015 11:15 AM)realistEagle Wrote:  
(10-08-2015 10:40 AM)emu steve Wrote:  
(10-08-2015 09:38 AM)rayEMU Wrote:  Thanks for sharing.

Good for Okoloji!! Best wishes to him

Realistically, a small percentage (I'd assume < 1%) of D-I players get to play in the NBA so playing overseas, or the D-league or whatever is a reasonable goal.

Going to Denmark and playing basketball isn't the worst that could happen to a young man. It isn't hitting the 'NBA lottery' - signing a contract with a bunch of zeros on it, but it is better than being hired as a "(whatever) trainee" for a meager salary in the regular world of work.

I say, enjoy your youth and your hoops career as long as you can and then get back to the 'real' world.

I have had this conversation with others on the board but I disagree with this view. I am not sure how much is he getting paid in Denmark but knowing others who have played around crappy leagues in Europe such as this one I am guessing he would be under the poverty line if he brought his earnings from Denmark to US.

So now lets say he plays there for 4-5 years. Comes back to the States at age of 27-28. He has no real world working experience, worthless degree and now what ? It is sad - but majority of these athletes are very very poor and can't get good paying jobs. They are being set up for failure.

Worthless degree? Hmmmm. Interesting.

Yes - African American Studies
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RE: Basketball Practice to Start This Weekend?
(10-12-2015 10:59 PM)realistEagle Wrote:  
(10-12-2015 06:21 PM)holybovine Wrote:  
(10-12-2015 11:15 AM)realistEagle Wrote:  
(10-08-2015 10:40 AM)emu steve Wrote:  
(10-08-2015 09:38 AM)rayEMU Wrote:  Thanks for sharing.

Good for Okoloji!! Best wishes to him

Realistically, a small percentage (I'd assume < 1%) of D-I players get to play in the NBA so playing overseas, or the D-league or whatever is a reasonable goal.

Going to Denmark and playing basketball isn't the worst that could happen to a young man. It isn't hitting the 'NBA lottery' - signing a contract with a bunch of zeros on it, but it is better than being hired as a "(whatever) trainee" for a meager salary in the regular world of work.

I say, enjoy your youth and your hoops career as long as you can and then get back to the 'real' world.

I have had this conversation with others on the board but I disagree with this view. I am not sure how much is he getting paid in Denmark but knowing others who have played around crappy leagues in Europe such as this one I am guessing he would be under the poverty line if he brought his earnings from Denmark to US.

So now lets say he plays there for 4-5 years. Comes back to the States at age of 27-28. He has no real world working experience, worthless degree and now what ? It is sad - but majority of these athletes are very very poor and can't get good paying jobs. They are being set up for failure.

Worthless degree? Hmmmm. Interesting.

Yes - African American Studies

I've said this before and will continue to say it as long as this topic is brought up. Saying that an African American Studies degree is worthless is more of a reflection of an individual's values than it is a statement of fact.


https://www.aacu.org/press/press-release...-long-term
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RE: Basketball Practice to Start This Weekend?
(10-13-2015 11:40 AM)KPJ Wrote:  I've said this before and will continue to say it as long as this topic is brought up. Saying that an African American Studies degree is worthless is more of a reflection of an individual's values than it is a statement of fact.


https://www.aacu.org/press/press-release...-long-term

well said. i would like to add that it's absurd for anyone on a message board to judge the career aspirations of someone that they do not know personally.
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Okay, okay - they are not worthless - they are practically worthless.

Ask me how I know ? Because I have tons of friends with similar degrees and I had one myself. There is practically zero need for people with such degrees. Do you guys know why ? Because they have zero valuable skills and they can't tell me anything new that I can't find out from a simple google search or a library book.

But hey ! It is only going to get worst for people with such degrees. Here is what I predict in next 20-50 years:

Japanese Universities Are Shuttering Social Sciences and Humanities Departments

Time to get with the times fellas.
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RE: Basketball Practice to Start This Weekend?
(10-13-2015 01:29 PM)EMUAARON Wrote:  
(10-13-2015 11:40 AM)KPJ Wrote:  I've said this before and will continue to say it as long as this topic is brought up. Saying that an African American Studies degree is worthless is more of a reflection of an individual's values than it is a statement of fact.


https://www.aacu.org/press/press-release...-long-term

well said. i would like to add that it's absurd for anyone on a message board to judge the career aspirations of someone that they do not know personally.

I guarantee you that his career aspiration is playing basketball in Europe. After that he will end up like the majority of college athletes with same type of degrees. They are being put in these programs because no one believes in their ability to play basketball and go through school actually earning a meaningful degree. Sad thing is that the two sports that get hurt by this the most is basketball and football. Both filled with minority students who could use a MEANINGFUL degree.
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RE: Basketball Practice to Start This Weekend?
(10-13-2015 02:40 PM)realistEagle Wrote:  
(10-13-2015 01:29 PM)EMUAARON Wrote:  
(10-13-2015 11:40 AM)KPJ Wrote:  I've said this before and will continue to say it as long as this topic is brought up. Saying that an African American Studies degree is worthless is more of a reflection of an individual's values than it is a statement of fact.


https://www.aacu.org/press/press-release...-long-term

well said. i would like to add that it's absurd for anyone on a message board to judge the career aspirations of someone that they do not know personally.

I guarantee you that his career aspiration is playing basketball in Europe. After that he will end up like the majority of college athletes with same type of degrees. They are being put in these programs because no one believes in their ability to play basketball and go through school actually earning a meaningful degree. Sad thing is that the two sports that get hurt by this the most is basketball and football. Both filled with minority students who could use a MEANINGFUL degree.

I'm not going to discuss this much further, but I will say that many people with liberal arts degrees go on to run community centers, become librarians, go into successful careers in sales, or go back to school to get more education and transition to a completely different field.

I work in higher ed and recently met with a group of managers from Yazaki. Not a single one of them came from the engineering discipline, but all had "engineer" in their job title. This actually happens more than one would think.

So you can bold and caps the word "meaningless" to emphasize your point, but that doesn't make it any less inaccurate.
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RE: Basketball Practice to Start This Weekend?
(10-13-2015 03:46 PM)KPJ Wrote:  
(10-13-2015 02:40 PM)realistEagle Wrote:  
(10-13-2015 01:29 PM)EMUAARON Wrote:  
(10-13-2015 11:40 AM)KPJ Wrote:  I've said this before and will continue to say it as long as this topic is brought up. Saying that an African American Studies degree is worthless is more of a reflection of an individual's values than it is a statement of fact.


https://www.aacu.org/press/press-release...-long-term

well said. i would like to add that it's absurd for anyone on a message board to judge the career aspirations of someone that they do not know personally.

I guarantee you that his career aspiration is playing basketball in Europe. After that he will end up like the majority of college athletes with same type of degrees. They are being put in these programs because no one believes in their ability to play basketball and go through school actually earning a meaningful degree. Sad thing is that the two sports that get hurt by this the most is basketball and football. Both filled with minority students who could use a MEANINGFUL degree.

I'm not going to discuss this much further, but I will say that many people with liberal arts degrees go on to run community centers, become librarians, go into successful careers in sales, or go back to school to get more education and transition to a completely different field.

I work in higher ed and recently met with a group of managers from Yazaki. Not a single one of them came from the engineering discipline, but all had "engineer" in their job title. This actually happens more than one would think.

So you can bold and caps the word "meaningless" to emphasize your point, but that doesn't make it any less inaccurate.

You make some decent points - all come back to same thing - people with liberal art degrees have to work in unrelated fields to get employed or they have to go back to school to become attractive to employees. That is what I did. But what if you are not versatile or smart enough to do that. Or you don't know how to market yourself with that degree? Walgreens Sales Associate job is awaiting you.

Second point. That study is a little silly. It is based on people who entered the work force 40 years ago. The economy is completely different now than what it was when they were first graduating from college. I guarantee they won't even attempt to do the same study 40 years from now. To add to this bias of the study - it was made by people who's whole livelihoods depend on people attending college - no matter for what degree.

That study also states that there is only 1 % of unemployment difference between the two groups. Well depends on how you look at it - that can mean 1/4 people with liberal degrees are unemployed (sounds about right to me).

Finally, the only thing I can take away from this funny study is that if you get your degree in liberal arts or similar, than go on to get a higher degree and by the age of 60 you might make more money than someone with a professional degree.

So that is all I will say for this. And yes there is a place for people with liberal art degrees because if we didn't include them into our workforce we would have no workers to do the job at all. You want to know what is the biggest trend in business right now ? Outsourcing. Because people in other countries can do things better, faster and cheaper than we can do them here. And I am not only talking about manufacturing here. Service industry is being largely outsourced as well - especially IT.

But yeah lets roll out more AA Studies and Communications majors to fix that up for us. 04-cheers
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(10-13-2015 04:37 PM)realistEagle Wrote:  Second point. That study is a little silly. It is based on people who entered the work force 40 years ago.

that isn't true. you should read the article again. it's based on 3 million Americans of all ranges. some of the analyses in the article speak to people aged 45-54 and some speak to younger age ranges. Neither the dataset nor the analysis of the dataset are strictly about people who entered the work force 40 years ago.

(10-13-2015 04:37 PM)realistEagle Wrote:  The economy is completely different now than what it was when they were first graduating from college. I guarantee they won't even attempt to do the same study 40 years from now.

they've been doing the ACS (the dataset used for the analyses) in one form or another since 1940. i guarantee that they will do the same study 40 years from now.

(10-13-2015 04:37 PM)realistEagle Wrote:  To add to this bias of the study - it was made by people who's whole livelihoods depend on people attending college - no matter for what degree.

the data were obtained from the publicly-available ACS. go to the census bureau website and take a look. you can re-run the numbers if you'd like. this isn't voodoo statistics. the census bureau has no stake in people attending college.

RealistEagle, I respect your EMU fandom and i'm glad you're still involved in the university that we all care about, but I don't think that you can take the experience that you and some friends had with your degrees and extrapolate them to everyone else with similar degrees.
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Just bought my season tickets for both women's and men's basketball. Because I'm a season football ticket holders it was just as cheap to buy the full season as just the MAC season. If anyone needs another MSU ticket you can have mine.
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Maybe we need to turn our focus toward basketball.

Anyone been around the Convo and have the scoop?
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(10-18-2015 04:25 AM)emu steve Wrote:  Maybe we need to turn our focus toward basketball.

Anyone been around the Convo and have the scoop?

Been there same old same old. Nothing new.07-coffee3
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Any scrimmages or public hoopla events?
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(10-18-2015 06:39 AM)emu steve Wrote:  Any scrimmages or public hoopla events?

Rock the Rec Oct. 30th
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(10-18-2015 06:39 AM)emu steve Wrote:  Any scrimmages or public hoopla events?

Rock the Rec Oct. 30th

Rock the Rec will actually be on October 27th.
Just got the event invite on Facebook.
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(10-18-2015 06:39 AM)emu steve Wrote:  Any scrimmages or public hoopla events?

Rock the Rec Oct. 30th

Rock the Rec will actually be on October 27th.
Just got the event invite on Facebook.

Sorry. Looked at an old calendar.
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I'm disappointed that I won't be able to be at Rock the Rec this year. I got hired to be the PA voice for UofM's Men's and Women's Soccer teams and they have a game that night.
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(10-20-2015 09:11 PM)KPJ Wrote:  I'm disappointed that I won't be able to be at Rock the Rec this year. I got hired to be the PA voice for UofM's Men's and Women's Soccer teams and they have a game that night.

that sounds awesome! channel your inner Mason.
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I have a question, how does the MAC conference schedule work? Home and away with divisional foes and a couple of crossover games?
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(10-22-2015 09:32 AM)vannzee Wrote:  I have a question, how does the MAC conference schedule work? Home and away with divisional foes and a couple of crossover games?

Yep. It's an 18 game schedule, so we play each West team twice, two East teams twice, and then every other East team once. This year we crossover twice with Buffalo and Kent State.
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Since this seems to be our preseason thread, here's some news:

CMU loses starting F Blake Hibbits for the season with an ACL injury.
WMU's starting F Connor Tava out indefinitely with a broken foot.

Let's hope this isn't a directional-Michigan issue...
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