http://www.msn.com/en-us/travel/falltrav...t#image=15

LOL at some of the cities on this list. They just selected some of the most tradition laden NFL towns.

How many cities can put 40-50,000 in the stands for a high school football playoff game (speaking of Houston)?

They completely ignored college football, where's Austin? Tuscaloosa? LA?

Here are some great college football towns in no particular order:

Blacksburg, VA
Greenville, NC (50,000 in 80,000 person town)
Boone, NC (App State is a great football town)
Clemson, SC
Columbia, SC
Columbia, MO
Athens, GA
Statesboro, GA
Tallahassee, FL
Gainesville, FL
Auburn, AL
Birmingham, AL
Tuscaloosa, AL
Oxford, MS
Memphis, TN
Starksville, MS
Hattiesburg, MS
Knoxville, TN
Louisville, KY
Lexington, KY
Bowing Green, KY
Morgantown, WV
Annapolis, MD
West Point, NY
State College, PA
Princeton, NJ
New Haven, CN
Syracuse, NY
Columbus, OH
Oxford, OH
Toledo, OH
Ann Arbor, MI
Cincinnati, OH
Athens, OH
East Lansing, OH
Kalamazoo, MI
South Bend, IN
Madison, WI
Iowa City, IA
Des Moines, IA
Manhattan, KS
Lincoln, NB
Norman, OK
Stillwater, OK
Fayetteville, AR
Baton Rouge, LA
Lafayette, LA
College State, TX
Austin, TX
Fort Worth, TX
Dallas, TX
Lubbock, TX
El Paso, TX
Colorado Springs, CO
Boulder, CO
Salt Lake City, UT
Logan, UT
Provo, UT
Boise, ID
Fresno, CA
Stanford, CA
Los Angeles, CA
Eugene, OR
Seattle, WA

I don't follow the NFL or high school so I can't speak to that aspect. I will say, for college football, the list is:

Best:
- Greenville, SC
- Atlanta, GA
- Oklahoma City, OK
- Birmingham, AL
- Columbus, OH

Better:
- New Orleans, LA (they included this one)
- Jacksonville, FL
- Tulsa, OK
- Las Vegas, NV
- Dayton, OH
- Greensboro, NC
- Austin, TX
- Knoxville, TN
- Charlotte, NC
- Fort Myers, FL

Good:
- Nashville, TN
- Louisville, KY
- Memphis, TN
- Norfolk, VA
- Orlando, FL
- Raleigh-Durham, NC
- Memphis, TN
- Ft. Lauderdale - Boca Raton - West Palm Beach, FL


I'm measuring not by performance of teams or attendance in a stadium relative to city size (because having roads for people to drive in on isn't credit worthy). I'm measuring purely by density of fans. These are the places where you'll find the most college football fans per capita in the country. Period. Cities so small they aren't called cities... I excluded due to insufficient sample size. Yea the thread title says towns ... but I think they're using it colloquially and not literally ... unless you think "Boston" and "New Orleans" (which they listed) are towns.

(09-30-2015 04:04 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  Stanford, CA

First, you mean Palo Alto, CA.

Second, Stanford football has *horrendously bad* support, especially for how successful they've been. They couldn't sell out The Farm when Harbaugh was there and in the Top 5.

That's simply a list of towns that have major college programs. Many aren't even good college football towns.

(09-30-2015 04:04 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  Here are some great college football towns in no particular order:

Blacksburg, VA
Greenville, NC (50,000 in 80,000 person town)
Boone, NC (App State is a great football town)
Clemson, SC
Columbia, SC
Columbia, MO
Athens, GA
Statesboro, GA
Tallahassee, FL
Gainesville, FL
Auburn, AL
Birmingham, AL
Tuscaloosa, AL
Oxford, MS
Memphis, TN
Starksville, MS
Hattiesburg, MS
Knoxville, TN
Louisville, KY
Lexington, KY
Bowing Green, KY
Morgantown, WV
Annapolis, MD
West Point, NY
State College, PA
Princeton, NJ
New Haven, CN
Syracuse, NY
Columbus, OH
Oxford, OH
Toledo, OH
Ann Arbor, MI
Cincinnati, OH
Athens, OH
East Lansing, OH
Kalamazoo, MI
South Bend, IN
Madison, WI
Iowa City, IA
Des Moines, IA
Manhattan, KS
Lincoln, NB
Norman, OK
Stillwater, OK
Fayetteville, AR
Baton Rouge, LA
Lafayette, LA
College State, TX
Austin, TX
Fort Worth, TX
Dallas, TX
Lubbock, TX
El Paso, TX
Colorado Springs, CO
Boulder, CO
Salt Lake City, UT
Logan, UT
Provo, UT
Boise, ID
Fresno, CA
Stanford, CA
Los Angeles, CA
Eugene, OR
Seattle, WA

(09-30-2015 04:04 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  College State, TX

Not quite but it might as well be.

(09-30-2015 05:32 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  I don't follow the NFL or high school so I can't speak to that aspect. I will say, for college football, the list is:

Best:
- Greenville, SC
- Atlanta, GA
- Oklahoma City, OK
- Birmingham, AL
- Columbus, OH

Better:
- New Orleans, LA (they included this one)
- Jacksonville, FL
- Tulsa, OK
- Las Vegas, NV
- Dayton, OH
- Greensboro, NC
- Austin, TX
- Knoxville, TN
- Charlotte, NC
- Fort Myers, FL

Good:
- Nashville, TN
- Louisville, KY
- Memphis, TN
- Norfolk, VA
- Orlando, FL
- Raleigh-Durham, NC
- Memphis, TN
- Ft. Lauderdale - Boca Raton - West Palm Beach, FL


I'm measuring not by performance of teams or attendance in a stadium relative to city size (because having roads for people to drive in on isn't credit worthy). I'm measuring purely by density of fans. These are the places where you'll find the most college football fans per capita in the country. Period. Cities so small they aren't called cities... I excluded due to insufficient sample size. Yea the thread title says towns ... but I think they're using it colloquially and not literally ... unless you think "Boston" and "New Orleans" (which they listed) are towns.

Your bias is showing...heavily.

The OP link isn't even a good pro football town list by including fairweather Johnny Come Latelys Indianapolis and Seattle (and arguably New Orleans), but not the true blue historic NFL towns of Chicago, Philadelphia and Cleveland.

(09-30-2015 06:06 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(09-30-2015 05:32 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  I don't follow the NFL or high school so I can't speak to that aspect. I will say, for college football, the list is:

Best:
- Greenville, SC
- Atlanta, GA
- Oklahoma City, OK
- Birmingham, AL
- Columbus, OH

Better:
- New Orleans, LA (they included this one)
- Jacksonville, FL
- Tulsa, OK
- Las Vegas, NV
- Dayton, OH
- Greensboro, NC
- Austin, TX
- Knoxville, TN
- Charlotte, NC
- Fort Myers, FL

Good:
- Nashville, TN
- Louisville, KY
- Memphis, TN
- Norfolk, VA
- Orlando, FL
- Raleigh-Durham, NC
- Memphis, TN
- Ft. Lauderdale - Boca Raton - West Palm Beach, FL


I'm measuring not by performance of teams or attendance in a stadium relative to city size (because having roads for people to drive in on isn't credit worthy). I'm measuring purely by density of fans. These are the places where you'll find the most college football fans per capita in the country. Period. Cities so small they aren't called cities... I excluded due to insufficient sample size. Yea the thread title says towns ... but I think they're using it colloquially and not literally ... unless you think "Boston" and "New Orleans" (which they listed) are towns.

Your bias is showing...heavily.

No kidding. Morgantown beats any of those towns on a college football weekend. And I've been to every one of the cities GTS listed, and attended games there too. Morgantown beats 'em all.

(09-30-2015 06:06 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Your bias is showing...heavily.

(09-30-2015 06:32 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(09-30-2015 06:06 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Your bias is showing...heavily.

No kidding. Morgantown beats any of those towns on a college football weekend. And I've been to every one of the cities GTS listed, and attended games there too. Morgantown beats 'em all.

http://footballscoop.com/archive-news/ei...the-south/
http://espnmediazone.com/us/press-releas...f-viewers/
http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2014/...et_fo.html
http://thesportseconomist.com/2015/02/09...n-ratings/

My near total bias to empirical data is indeed showing.

(09-30-2015 06:55 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(09-30-2015 06:06 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Your bias is showing...heavily.

(09-30-2015 06:32 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(09-30-2015 06:06 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Your bias is showing...heavily.

No kidding. Morgantown beats any of those towns on a college football weekend. And I've been to every one of the cities GTS listed, and attended games there too. Morgantown beats 'em all.

http://footballscoop.com/archive-news/ei...the-south/
http://espnmediazone.com/us/press-releas...f-viewers/
http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2014/...et_fo.html
http://thesportseconomist.com/2015/02/09...n-ratings/

My near total bias to empirical data is indeed showing.

I've actually attended games in every town you listed. I could care less what some surveys show. They're heavily influence by the number of people responding to the poll, which means the more people there are in an area, the more people will vote for that area. Whether or not they actually know what the hell they're talking about is irrelevant in those surveys.

I'm going by personal experience, and I trust my opinion implicitly.

(09-30-2015 06:55 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(09-30-2015 06:06 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Your bias is showing...heavily.

(09-30-2015 06:32 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(09-30-2015 06:06 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Your bias is showing...heavily.

No kidding. Morgantown beats any of those towns on a college football weekend. And I've been to every one of the cities GTS listed, and attended games there too. Morgantown beats 'em all.

http://footballscoop.com/archive-news/ei...the-south/
http://espnmediazone.com/us/press-releas...f-viewers/
http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2014/...et_fo.html
http://thesportseconomist.com/2015/02/09...n-ratings/

My near total bias to empirical data is indeed showing.

Sure thing Southerner, sure thing.

(09-30-2015 06:55 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(09-30-2015 06:06 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Your bias is showing...heavily.

(09-30-2015 06:32 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(09-30-2015 06:06 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Your bias is showing...heavily.

No kidding. Morgantown beats any of those towns on a college football weekend. And I've been to every one of the cities GTS listed, and attended games there too. Morgantown beats 'em all.

http://footballscoop.com/archive-news/ei...the-south/
http://espnmediazone.com/us/press-releas...f-viewers/
http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2014/...et_fo.html
http://thesportseconomist.com/2015/02/09...n-ratings/

My near total bias to empirical data is indeed showing.

Those are the best markets for people watching CFB on TV.

The best college football towns in terms of sold-out stadiums full of diehards would be a different list. Places like Las Vegas and Fort Myers would be nowhere at all on that list, and the list would have, e.g., "Baton Rouge" not "New Orleans", and "Norman" not "Tulsa".

(09-30-2015 07:00 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  They're heavily influence by the number of people responding to the poll, which means the more people there are in an area, the more people will vote for that area.

Which explains why NYC, LA, Boston, Chicago, Philly, DFW, SFO, DC, and Houston are all in the Top 10. Oh ... wait ......

(09-30-2015 07:01 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

Sure thing Southerner, sure thing.

(09-30-2015 07:11 PM)Wedge Wrote:  Those are the best markets for people watching CFB on TV.

The best college football towns in terms of sold-out stadiums full of diehards would be a different list. Places like Las Vegas and Fort Myers would be nowhere at all on that list, and the list would have, e.g., "Baton Rouge" not "New Orleans", and "Norman" not "Tulsa".

As I said, I judged solely by per capita density. Some cities on my list are more of a CFB United Nations where you'll find nearly every major alumni group somewhere (Vegas, Atlanta). Some are major media markets where no pro team competes for fans and/or no pro team has even been in the area until recently and so saturation is high of fans of local teams, regional teams, and even FCS local teams (Greenville, Knoxville, Memphis, Greensboro). Every place is different ... but I maintain my list includes all the highest CFB fan density cities. You'd have to pick up a pro town near the bottom of the Top 25 media market list before you hit somebody I didn't include (Tampa, Cleveland).

Stupid list. Ridiculous argument. As if anyone really knows?

It's a very stupid list. It must have been made by somebody that doesn't watch college football.

GTS, it looks like you're the only one buying that lemon.

(09-30-2015 07:46 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  GTS, it looks like you're the only one buying that lemon.

If you are referring to the two posters prior, I believe they are referring to OP's link.

Quote:East Lansing, OH

Wow. This beating out East Lansing, MI -- must be home to a MAC school I never heard of. :)