In my lifetime:
Mister
Talford
Pigram
Tim Smith
Wadood

Second team:
Mike Smith
Childress
Dennis
Fields
Mikell

Overall:
Swift
Chilton
Mister
Wadood
Tim Smith

To put Wadood, and Tim Smith, great as they were (and don't forget the heavy baggage Smith comes with), above Tommy Woods is just wrong. Just wrong. Trust me on that, since you didn't see him. And there's just no way, with that baggage, that Smith should be ranked ahead of Talford.

As I,ve said before, Tom Chilton was the best player to ever put on a Buc uniform.
If he had played 4 yrs, if they had the 3 point line, and the 35 sec shot clock, it,s no telling how many points he would have scored.
As for the other 4 on the list, they would have to be:
Mister Jennings
Skeeter Swift
Calvin Talford
Tommy Woods

I see we agree, and I think that's really the definitive list.

(04-12-2016 05:15 PM)posterformerlyknownasthedoctor Wrote:  To put Wadood, and Tim Smith, great as they were (and don't forget the heavy baggage Smith comes with), above Tommy Woods is just wrong. Just wrong. Trust me on that, since you didn't see him. And there's just no way, with that baggage, that Smith should be ranked ahead of Talford.

That's what great about an offseason list, it's subjective and always up for discussion.

(04-12-2016 05:15 PM)posterformerlyknownasthedoctor Wrote:  To put Wadood, and Tim Smith, great as they were (and don't forget the heavy baggage Smith comes with), above Tommy Woods is just wrong.

When Tommy Woods enrolled at ETSU, black players were not allowed to play for teams in the ACC or SEC. Several Ohio Valley Conference teams benefited from the fact that they integrated a few years ahead of their larger-school neighbors in the South.

Had it been allowed, several of the black players from that era unquestionably had the ability to play in the ACC or SEC. Tommy Woods certainly falls into that category.

"Texas Western’s triumph left Woods wrestling with what could’ve been.
.....I said, ‘Man, I could be making history right there,’” he said."

(04-14-2016 01:10 PM)Flippmb Wrote:  

(04-12-2016 05:15 PM)posterformerlyknownasthedoctor Wrote:  To put Wadood, and Tim Smith, great as they were (and don't forget the heavy baggage Smith comes with), above Tommy Woods is just wrong.

When Tommy Woods enrolled at ETSU, black players were not allowed to play for teams in the ACC or SEC. Several Ohio Valley Conference teams benefited from the fact that they integrated a few years ahead of their larger-school neighbors in the South.

Had it been allowed, several of the black players from that era unquestionably had the ability to play in the ACC or SEC. Tommy Woods certainly falls into that category.

Excellent point! It would soon become much harder for OVC schools to get athletes of Woods quality, as the big schools got dragged into the 20th century.

(04-15-2016 01:12 AM)posterformerlyknownasthedoctor Wrote:  "Texas Western’s triumph left Woods wrestling with what could’ve been.
.....I said, ‘Man, I could be making history right there,’” he said."

Things were changing year by year through the 60's, although it was a bumpy road every mile of the way. Texas Western's 1965-66 team gets the credit in part because of the stark contrast between their all black starting five and their final game opponents, the all white Kentucky Wildcats of segregationist Adolph Rupp.

But really, they were just a small step forward from the 1962-63 champions from little Loyola of Chicago coached by George Ireland and led by Jerry Harkness. Loyola regularly started 3 or 4 black players. Before Loyola, it was "play 1 at home, 2 on the road, 3 if you're behind". But their championship game foes were the integrated Cincinnati Bearcats, so it wasn't such a striking image.

Those two little schools rocketing to national championships ahead of all the giant institutions proved the value, even the necessity, of recruiting black players.

Quote:Tennessee Tech.....

They’ve started the season 3-4, the best win coming at home 74-69 over Missouri Valley Conference member Loyola of Chicago (who are admittedly a long way from their game changing 1963 NCAA title, when their almost all black squad upset 2 time champs Cincinnati. That game didn't have the iconic status of 1966's Texas Western vs Kentucky because, unlike Adolph Rupp's all white Kentucky program, Ed Jucker's Cincinnati program had long been integrated, featuring players like Oscar Robertson and Paul Hogue).

-- swvabucsfan (11-25-2013)

You're right, of course, and that has kinda gotten lost over the decades, although wasn't there a movie or something about that game, too? Seems like we've discussed this before on the board, other than your comments I excerpt above.

Don't know if this will work or not, but trying to post the (most) iconic pic of the Big O.....



In any event, for those not in the know, here's the remarkable story:

Loyola Chicago 1963 team

(04-15-2016 11:10 AM)posterformerlyknownasthedoctor Wrote:  

Quote:Tennessee Tech.....

They’ve started the season 3-4, the best win coming at home 74-69 over Missouri Valley Conference member Loyola of Chicago (who are admittedly a long way from their game changing 1963 NCAA title, when their almost all black squad upset 2 time champs Cincinnati. That game didn't have the iconic status of 1966's Texas Western vs Kentucky because, unlike Adolph Rupp's all white Kentucky program, Ed Jucker's Cincinnati program had long been integrated, featuring players like Oscar Robertson and Paul Hogue).

-- swvabucsfan (11-25-2013)

You're right, of course, and that has kinda gotten lost over the decades, although wasn't there a movie or something about that game, too? Seems like we've discussed this before on the board, other than your comments I excerpt above.

Don't know if this will work or not, but trying to post the (most) iconic pic of the Big O.....



In any event, for those not in the know, here's the remarkable story:

Loyola Chicago 1963 team

A great sign of advancing age, when you wind up repeating the same stories. Oh well...

Wadood was a phenomenal defensive player. The best I've seen at ETSU. Great at steals and great at blocked shots. Great guarding wings or posts.

(04-15-2016 11:13 AM)swvabucsfan Wrote:  A great sign of advancing age, when you wind up repeating the same stories. Oh well...

Naw, with new peeps on here, a lot of younger folks don't know this history. Very worthwhile. IMO.