I get it. I understand the need to schedule $1 million paydays. But, it is time to stop scheduling these games in which the outcome is likely to be one of humiliation. I have covered this team through some of those games and it is not a fun experience for the players or the fans.

EMU needs to start being smart about "scheduling up" and at least try to schedule games in which it will have a fighting chance. You can still go P5, but really LSU, Florida, et al? It's time to consider scheduling against the likes of Minnesota, Purdue, Indiana, Iowa State, etc. EMU may not win, but there certainly is the possibility of an upset in those games and the odds of a complete butt-kicking are not nearly as great.

Sad thing, though, I do remember when EMU was competitive not too long ago a couple of times against Northwestern during the Genyk era, losing 26-14 and 14-6 to the Wildcats in 2006 and 2007. Then, under Ron English EMU lost on a field goal at the end, 27-24. I believe that 14-6 game was at Ford Field.

Also during Genyk, EMU played Michigan and lost respectably, 33-22 in Ann Arbor in 2007.

But, those have been few and far between.

Schedule up, but schedule smart.

(09-29-2015 08:46 PM)HuronDave Wrote:  I get it. I understand the need to schedule $1 million paydays. But, it is time to stop scheduling these games in which the outcome is likely to be one of humiliation. I have covered this team through some of those games and it is not a fun experience for the players or the fans.

EMU needs to start being smart about "scheduling up" and at least try to schedule games in which it will have a fighting chance. You can still go P5, but really LSU, Florida, et al? It's time to consider scheduling against the likes of Minnesota, Purdue, Indiana, Iowa State, etc. EMU may not win, but there certainly is the possibility of an upset in those games and the odds of a complete butt-kicking are not nearly as great.

Sad thing, though, I do remember when EMU was competitive not too long ago a couple of times against Northwestern during the Genyk era, losing 26-14 and 14-6 to the Wildcats in 2006 and 2007. Then, under Ron English EMU lost on a field goal at the end, 27-24. I believe that 14-6 game was at Ford Field.

Also during Genyk, EMU played Michigan and lost respectably, 33-22 in Ann Arbor in 2007.

But, those have been few and far between.

Schedule up, but schedule smart.

I agree. I'd love to see a renewal of our battles with Northwestrn. Hell, let's try to get Purdue on the schedule like BUGS did last week. Indiana, Minnesota, Iowa, Nebraska...let's have a chance to make some money and play a competitive game.

But unfortunately, it probably comes down to the bottom line. For example, if LSU is offering 1 million and Purdue is offering 250K, Lyke will pick LSU every time.

You just summed up the HUGE gap between EMU and CMU, WMU perfectly. Western competed very well against the #1 and #2 teams in the country. Fleck had his team fired up and ready to play against MSU and OSU and they looked great. CMU played a good game against MSU.

Last year EMU was completely and utterly destroyed by MSU and Florida and they are going to be humiliated by LSU this year. Newsflash: Michigan State and Ohio State are BETTER than LSU. CMU and WMU certainly didn't view their games as body bag games and it showed.

(09-29-2015 11:31 PM)holybovine Wrote:  

(09-29-2015 08:46 PM)HuronDave Wrote:  I get it. I understand the need to schedule $1 million paydays. But, it is time to stop scheduling these games in which the outcome is likely to be one of humiliation. I have covered this team through some of those games and it is not a fun experience for the players or the fans.

EMU needs to start being smart about "scheduling up" and at least try to schedule games in which it will have a fighting chance. You can still go P5, but really LSU, Florida, et al? It's time to consider scheduling against the likes of Minnesota, Purdue, Indiana, Iowa State, etc. EMU may not win, but there certainly is the possibility of an upset in those games and the odds of a complete butt-kicking are not nearly as great.

Sad thing, though, I do remember when EMU was competitive not too long ago a couple of times against Northwestern during the Genyk era, losing 26-14 and 14-6 to the Wildcats in 2006 and 2007. Then, under Ron English EMU lost on a field goal at the end, 27-24. I believe that 14-6 game was at Ford Field.

Also during Genyk, EMU played Michigan and lost respectably, 33-22 in Ann Arbor in 2007.

But, those have been few and far between.

Schedule up, but schedule smart.

I agree. I'd love to see a renewal of our battles with Northwestrn. Hell, let's try to get Purdue on the schedule like BUGS did last week. Indiana, Minnesota, Iowa, Nebraska...let's have a chance to make some money and play a competitive game.

But unfortunately, it probably comes down to the bottom line. For example, if LSU is offering 1 million and Purdue is offering 250K, Lyke will pick LSU every time.

Cuz Lyke never strapped on a helmet in her life...it's not her ass, yet the kids don't see a dime of that 1 mill.

I believe we posted the information on future games and their guarantees regarding football in a the board of regent's minutes thread. Indiana is on a future schedule as is Missouri.

Starting with this year we have scheduled smart with the elimination of FCS games from the schedule.

All MAC teams need payday games I don't see how that will not be happening in the future. Its a matter of having these games to preserve the football programs and meet athletic budgets.

I don't know whether LSU was scheduled by Lyke or Gragg, depends on how many years ahead they scheduled.

And we know that Creighton has really no input into these decisions and will have to play games to meet budget.

(09-29-2015 08:46 PM)HuronDave Wrote:  I get it. I understand the need to schedule $1 million paydays. But, it is time to stop scheduling these games in which the outcome is likely to be one of humiliation. I have covered this team through some of those games and it is not a fun experience for the players or the fans.

EMU needs to start being smart about "scheduling up" and at least try to schedule games in which it will have a fighting chance. You can still go P5, but really LSU, Florida, et al? It's time to consider scheduling against the likes of Minnesota, Purdue, Indiana, Iowa State, etc. EMU may not win, but there certainly is the possibility of an upset in those games and the odds of a complete butt-kicking are not nearly as great.

... Schedule up, but schedule smart.

Dear Dave,

You aren't a regular visitor to the board where this has been documented and discussed in a thread on future scheduling.

The assoc AD told me in 2014 that EMU was reworking the future schedules to try for a better mix.

And as this future schedule indicates we have been successful. We HAVE (past tense) accomplished what folks here are ADVOCATING (future tense).

http://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa/mid-amer...eagles.php

Other than Missouri, I don't see any powerhouses on our schedule AFTER this coming Saturday...

The schedule is very fair and contains a number of FBS home and home series, e.g., ODU, WYO, Charlotte, etc.

The 'body bag' game era is over unless Missouri becomes another LSU next year or 2020. As of today, per the Sagarin's ranking Missouri is ranked lower than Toledo. (Missouri is ranked #49)

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/ncaaf/sagarin/

(09-30-2015 08:16 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(09-29-2015 08:46 PM)HuronDave Wrote:  I get it. I understand the need to schedule $1 million paydays. But, it is time to stop scheduling these games in which the outcome is likely to be one of humiliation. I have covered this team through some of those games and it is not a fun experience for the players or the fans.

EMU needs to start being smart about "scheduling up" and at least try to schedule games in which it will have a fighting chance. You can still go P5, but really LSU, Florida, et al? It's time to consider scheduling against the likes of Minnesota, Purdue, Indiana, Iowa State, etc. EMU may not win, but there certainly is the possibility of an upset in those games and the odds of a complete butt-kicking are not nearly as great.

... Schedule up, but schedule smart.

Dear Dave,

You aren't a regular visitor to the board where this has been documented and discussed in a thread on future scheduling.

The assoc AD told me in 2014 that EMU was reworking the future schedules to try for a better mix.

And as this future schedule indicates we have been successful. We HAVE (past tense) accomplished what folks here are ADVOCATING (future tense).

http://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa/mid-amer...eagles.php

Other than Missouri, I don't see any powerhouses on our schedule AFTER this coming Saturday...

The schedule is very fair and contains a number of FBS home and home series, e.g., ODU, WYO, Charlotte, etc.

The 'body bag' game era is over unless Missouri becomes another LSU next year or 2020. As of today, per the Sagarin's ranking Missouri is ranked lower than Toledo. (Missouri is ranked #49)

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/ncaaf/sagarin/

You're right Steve. I forgot that, for instance, EMU has scheduled a future home-and-home with Kentucky. But the prospect of another humiliation and more ridicule from other MAC fans, has grown beyond tiresome. And, sadly, at this juncture even those games, from afar, don't sound too appealing after the beatdown administered by a very ordinary Army team.

And I do visit frequently, I am just getting old and forgetful.

(09-29-2015 08:46 PM)HuronDave Wrote:  I get it. I understand the need to schedule $1 million paydays. But, it is time to stop scheduling these games in which the outcome is likely to be one of humiliation. I have covered this team through some of those games and it is not a fun experience for the players or the fans.

EMU needs to start being smart about "scheduling up" and at least try to schedule games in which it will have a fighting chance. You can still go P5, but really LSU, Florida, et al? It's time to consider scheduling against the likes of Minnesota, Purdue, Indiana, Iowa State, etc. EMU may not win, but there certainly is the possibility of an upset in those games and the odds of a complete butt-kicking are not nearly as great.

Sad thing, though, I do remember when EMU was competitive not too long ago a couple of times against Northwestern during the Genyk era, losing 26-14 and 14-6 to the Wildcats in 2006 and 2007. Then, under Ron English EMU lost on a field goal at the end, 27-24. I believe that 14-6 game was at Ford Field.

Also during Genyk, EMU played Michigan and lost respectably, 33-22 in Ann Arbor in 2007.

But, those have been few and far between.

Schedule up, but schedule smart.

So you want to schedule ypsi highschool? Got it.

Most equal rating wise can't afford to schedule us unless we do a home and home then there you have take into effect of cost for both teams. There is no money in it you have to play where the money is.

Again, it must be repeated that neither WMU or CMU were humiliated by either MSU or OSU or Oklahoma State. They must have big boy programs and Eastern doesn't.

(09-30-2015 12:03 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  Again, it must be repeated that neither WMU or CMU were humiliated by either MSU or OSU or Oklahoma State. They must have big boy programs and Eastern doesn't.

Bob, was this a divine revelation or did posters here know that (already)?

(09-30-2015 12:34 PM)emu steve Wrote:  

(09-30-2015 12:03 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  Again, it must be repeated that neither WMU or CMU were humiliated by either MSU or OSU or Oklahoma State. They must have big boy programs and Eastern doesn't.

Bob, was this a divine revelation or did posters here know that (already)?

The point is, if they can handle their business, why can't Eastern? Isn't it the goal to be on par with our Michigan MAC peers? Why the special treatment?

(09-30-2015 12:03 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  Again, it must be repeated that neither WMU or CMU were humiliated by either MSU or OSU or Oklahoma State. They must have big boy programs and Eastern doesn't.

Why must you repeatly hit the "being an A Hole" button Bob?

I'm all for fair criticism but at least wolverine gives credit for trying and improving, all hear from you is the constant negative about the hard work our players and coaches put into trying to improve.

I'll say it again, you admitted that you enjoyed joining MSU fans in mocking our team when they played at MSU last year. Frankly not that you apparently care whether other posters on this board respect you but I sure don't not with what you admitted you did at MSU.

(09-30-2015 12:50 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(09-30-2015 12:34 PM)emu steve Wrote:  

(09-30-2015 12:03 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  Again, it must be repeated that neither WMU or CMU were humiliated by either MSU or OSU or Oklahoma State. They must have big boy programs and Eastern doesn't.

Bob, was this a divine revelation or did posters here know that (already)?

The point is, if they can handle their business, why can't Eastern? Isn't it the goal to be on par with our Michigan MAC peers? Why the special treatment?

Yeah WMU really handled the business with Georgia Southern didn't they?

(09-30-2015 12:50 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(09-30-2015 12:34 PM)emu steve Wrote:  

(09-30-2015 12:03 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  Again, it must be repeated that neither WMU or CMU were humiliated by either MSU or OSU or Oklahoma State. They must have big boy programs and Eastern doesn't.

Bob, was this a divine revelation or did posters here know that (already)?

The point is, if they can handle their business, why can't Eastern? Isn't it the goal to be on par with our Michigan MAC peers? Why the special treatment?

Bob,

My father had an expression: "Some people try to s*it bigger than their hole."

IF CMU or WMU can keep up with MSU, OSU, etc., fine. Let them. More power to them.

But we can not, so we shouldn't try to only to be embarrassed.

I agree with '79 that playing Ga Southern AFTER MSU cost WMU a win. It is called a 'trap game.'

Bob's got some selection bias going on, unsurprisingly. He lauds WMU and CMU but neglects to mention Miami losing to Wisconsin 58-0, UMass losing to Notre Dame 62-27, Kent State losing to (unranked) Illinois 52-3, and Akron losing to Oklahoma 41-3.

We're not the only teams getting blown out, dude.

(09-30-2015 01:06 PM)emu79 Wrote:  

(09-30-2015 12:03 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  Again, it must be repeated that neither WMU or CMU were humiliated by either MSU or OSU or Oklahoma State. They must have big boy programs and Eastern doesn't.

Why must you repeatly hit the "being an A Hole" button Bob?

I'm all for fair criticism but at least wolverine gives credit for trying and improving, all hear from you is the constant negative about the hard work our players and coaches put into trying to improve.

I'll say it again, you admitted that you enjoyed joining MSU fans in mocking our team when they played at MSU last year. Frankly not that you apparently care whether other posters on this board respect you but I sure don't not with what you admitted you did at MSU.

+1 Maybe it's simply because he is an A Hole

(09-30-2015 01:31 PM)emu steve Wrote:  

(09-30-2015 12:50 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(09-30-2015 12:34 PM)emu steve Wrote:  [quote='Bob Wickersham' pid='12443833' dateline='1443632627']
Again, it must be repeated that neither WMU or CMU were humiliated by either MSU or OSU or Oklahoma State. They must have big boy programs and Eastern doesn't.

Bob, was this a divine revelation or did posters here know that (already)?

The point is, if they can handle their business, why can't Eastern? Isn't it the goal to be on par with our Michigan MAC peers? Why the special treatment?

Bob,

My father had an expression: "Some people try to s*it bigger than their hole."



Bob's kid must also be struggling his senior year or something, so taking endless shots at EMU makes him feel better in some twisted way?

I'm not taking any shots at EMU, I am just pointing out the truth about how bad EMU football is compared to our instate brothers at CMU and WMU. I'm sorry you don't want to see the ugly truth about the EMU football program, but we have to acknowledge it. This is real, folks. I hate it too because I want to see EMU be competitive again.

Fair enough Bob, but I think everyone has a pretty realistic understanding as to the state of EMU football. My observation is that many just take your droning on and on about how bad it is and all the negative commentary as unproductive and frankly unhelpful. Let me put it another way, it's like one of those guys whose wife has packed on a few extra lbs and the husband feels the need to drop snide comments about it with the belief that somehow it will promote weightloss. So, suffice it to say calling your wife a fat ***** all day is not going to build self confidence nor have any positive affect on your relationship. However, a little support and and occasional compliment along with the willingness to help might go a long way. If you're truly married to EMU football then you need to realize you need to support it. If you've been married to it so long and harbor too much ill will, this marriage may not be salvageable and you may need to move on. BUT, if your in it for the long haul then show some humility, recognize words hurt and learn to be critical in a productive way. In the meantime, stop calling your wife a fat ***** because it just makes you look like a big dick.

Go EAGLES! (my chubby little wife)