... Who thinks that this SMU - Kieth Frazier nonsense was the ONLY recruiting violation Larry Brown, or his staff, or his colleagues in the recruiting arena (AAU Coaches, old coaching acquaintances etc...) committed during his tenure as SMU's head coach?

I'm putting it up to public opinion. This isn't a SMU bashing thread. I just want to know what kind of character our community thinks LB has.

I might affect the results of this poll, but there's a reason Mudiay was told to go elsewhere

(09-29-2015 05:44 PM)CalallenStang Wrote:  I might affect the results of this poll, but there's a reason Mudiay was told to go elsewhere

Fair enough. I'm not talking about a specific situation though. I just want public opinion on people's perception of Brown as a HC and recruiter as far as ethics go.

I think the truth is that the European League simply outbid SMU for Mudiay's services.

(09-29-2015 05:59 PM)vabearcat Wrote:  I think the truth is that the European League simply outbid SMU for Mudiay's services.

Chinese league, and there was third-party involvement that likely would have caused NCAA issues had he come to SMU.

Where's the option for I don't know? I'd give it credence but you never can be so sure.

(09-29-2015 06:45 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  Where's the option for I don't know? I'd give it credence but you never can be so sure.

Nope. It's a yes or no question.

SMU will still beat Tulsa even when we have reduced scholarships

(09-29-2015 07:08 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  SMU will still beat Tulsa even when we have reduced scholarships

Maybe. If Larry Brown is still coaching despite the ominous shadow of death (or the NCAA) hanging above him.

Probably yes, only because that's the way the game is played. Not an excuse for the founded violations though.

(09-29-2015 05:39 PM)invisiblehand Wrote:  ... Who thinks that this SMU - Kieth Frazier nonsense was the ONLY recruiting violation Larry Brown, or his staff, or his colleagues in the recruiting arena (AAU Coaches, old coaching acquaintances etc...) committed during his tenure as SMU's head coach?

I'm putting it up to public opinion. This isn't a SMU bashing thread. I just want to know what kind of character our community thinks LB has.

Larry brown went to unc so there is no way he would ever cheat. Good day sir.

(09-29-2015 07:11 PM)invisiblehand Wrote:  

(09-29-2015 07:08 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  SMU will still beat Tulsa even when we have reduced scholarships

Maybe. If Larry Brown is still coaching despite the ominous shadow of death (or the NCAA) hanging above him.

I think the people speculating on Larry Brown leaving are underestimating his desire to be alive.

I don't think I'm being overly dramatic when I say that Larry Brown feels he would die a quick death if he never coached again. Frankly, I don't see him leaving SMU until he can't physically stand up anymore because multi million dollar coaching jobs don't grow on trees at that age.

He's cut from the same cloth as a Bear Bryant or Wayne Graham. He will stay at SMU beyond the sanctions, imo.

(09-29-2015 07:23 PM)BoKnows Wrote:  

(09-29-2015 07:11 PM)invisiblehand Wrote:  

(09-29-2015 07:08 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  SMU will still beat Tulsa even when we have reduced scholarships

Maybe. If Larry Brown is still coaching despite the ominous shadow of death (or the NCAA) hanging above him.

I think the people speculating on Larry Brown leaving are underestimating his desire to be alive.

I don't think I'm being overly dramatic when I say that Larry Brown feels he would die a quick death if he never coached again. Frankly, I don't see him leaving SMU until he can't physically stand up anymore because multi million dollar coaching jobs don't grow on trees at that age.

He's cut from the same cloth as a Bear Bryant or Wayne Graham. He will stay at SMU beyond the sanctions, imo.

It's possible, but people a lot younger than him start suffering serious health issues for little to no reason. That's a very strenuous job, and if you add in the NCAA crud he has to deal with, I could see it take its toll on his health.

(09-29-2015 07:33 PM)invisiblehand Wrote:  

(09-29-2015 07:23 PM)BoKnows Wrote:  

(09-29-2015 07:11 PM)invisiblehand Wrote:  

(09-29-2015 07:08 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  SMU will still beat Tulsa even when we have reduced scholarships

Maybe. If Larry Brown is still coaching despite the ominous shadow of death (or the NCAA) hanging above him.

I think the people speculating on Larry Brown leaving are underestimating his desire to be alive.

I don't think I'm being overly dramatic when I say that Larry Brown feels he would die a quick death if he never coached again. Frankly, I don't see him leaving SMU until he can't physically stand up anymore because multi million dollar coaching jobs don't grow on trees at that age.

He's cut from the same cloth as a Bear Bryant or Wayne Graham. He will stay at SMU beyond the sanctions, imo.

It's possible, but people a lot younger than him start suffering serious health issues for little to no reason. That's a very strenuous job, and if you add in the NCAA crud he has to deal with, I could see it take its toll on his health.

Therein lies the crux of the situation. Does it take more of a toll to continue to coach than it does not to coach at all?

I happen to believe that he's one of those old school coaches that needs a whistle around his neck at all costs.

He is happier just practicing. The games are a hassle to him. That to me gets to an identity that wont be content on the golf course. He knows this is his last hurrah.

He's said in the past that Jank will have a LONG wait. The paychecks don't hurt.

(09-29-2015 05:39 PM)invisiblehand Wrote:  ... Who thinks that this SMU - Kieth Frazier nonsense was the ONLY recruiting violation Larry Brown, or his staff, or his colleagues in the recruiting arena (AAU Coaches, old coaching acquaintances etc...) committed during his tenure as SMU's head coach?

I'm putting it up to public opinion. This isn't a SMU bashing thread. I just want to know what kind of character our community thinks LB has.

I need a bigger font for this lmfao smiley.

They did.

With that said, that's why they are good as they are now instead of slumming it around in the bottom half of the conference table. I actually don't mind seeing an elite prospect being paid for their exceptional talent/hard work.

Tulane could stand to cheat themselves - but the last time we did, the university admin shut the entire program down after the first scandal.

It's only fair to have a poll for every member if we are having 1 for SMU and the answer for 100% of us (with a possible exception of Navy?) would be the same.

Has ________ university committed any violations that have not been uncovered? Only someone uninformed or foolish would answer that question negatively.

All I know is that if ECU coaches cheat, they suck at it. When it comes to College sports, recruiting top notch talent for Basketball is a dirty, dirty business. Looks like Larry Brown made some rookie mistakes having just come from the Pro's and probably not having the patience to set up the layers of plausible deniability that most top College Basketball programs have. He could have simply looked at his Alma Mater UNCheat to see the commitment needed for truly successful cheating. You need total buy in from the Academic side of the University and if you have the State Legislature in your back pocket and ESPN that is a bonus and a bullet proof program the NCAA will leave alone or just slap on the wrist.

(09-30-2015 05:21 AM)ShoreBuc Wrote:  All I know is that if ECU coaches cheat, they suck at it. When it comes to College sports, recruiting top notch talent for Basketball is a dirty, dirty business. Looks like Larry Brown made some rookie mistakes having just come from the Pro's and probably not having the patience to set up the layers of plausible deniability that most top College Basketball programs have. He could have simply looked at his Alma Mater UNCheat to see the commitment needed for truly successful cheating. You need total buy in from the Academic side of the University and if you have the State Legislature in your back pocket and ESPN that is a bonus and a bullet proof program the NCAA will leave alone or just slap on the wrist.

ECU just can't get to the bar to start a tab. Too many others pushing and shoving in front of them.