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(09-29-2015 01:43 PM)Yesolitis Wrote:  Mixed feeling about no seatbelts, but I cannot deny it is a hell of a lot more entertaining than child protect everything including the kitchen sink.

The passing play up 10 in Q4 was the biggest head scratcher for me. But even as the playcalling may seem to aggressive in that situation, it is still up to the players to execute, risky or not. Vad just made a poor choice there IMO.

Anyway, buckle up for the rest of the season fellas!! (...or not)

If JMU had lost the game Withers would have been getting ripped on here for that call..but JMU wins, so all is well..
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Does no seat belts include going for it on 4th and 1, late in the 4th qtr, in your own territory, up by less than a TD, giving the fact that have been moving the ball up and down the field most of the game?

If it doesn't work should it be called an idiotic decision with the HC crucified on here?
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(09-29-2015 02:07 PM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  I want to see us go for it in the first quarter, up 7 - 0, ball on our own 45, and it's 4th and 10. I have no problem with it costing us a game. This is so much more fun to watch and stay engaged with than milking the clock down to the end.

I'd rather see us win, period. I don't care if its running the damn single wing. Winning is always better and more fun to watch than losing, no matter how its done...
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(09-29-2015 01:46 PM)DoubleDogDare Wrote:  
(09-29-2015 01:44 PM)Hotrod829 Wrote:  
(09-29-2015 01:37 PM)PGJMU Wrote:  Anyone watch the players post game? the players referenced "no seatbelts". Anybody see Withers from Ham's yesterday, "No Seatbelts".

that's it fellas. that's how we play. get used to it. yep, we are going to do some things that will be head scratchers.

- on sides kick in the 3rd up 21 points
- throwing to the corner on 4th and 1
- throwing on 3rd and 5, up 10 with 6 minutes to go


this is not mickey playing not to lose. this is let it rip. play fast, play lose, don't worry about the consequences. there will be mistakes, but you have to embrace the attitude. sure, Vad has thrown 8 interceptions in the last two games, but he is not looking over his shoulder afraid to let it go.

embrace it guys

Hopes it doesnt cost us a game , have to admit it has us wondering. There is no such thing as playing to lose if you are winning. I'm a fan of the fast play as long as we keep getting first downs.

HR! You been pretty quiet lately. Have you started drinking the JUICE yet???

All about the players getting wins and winning a National Title. But if we want to win a title we have to think more like Urban Meyer then just have a couple of his schemes.
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I remember the days of "we need to pass more". Now we have the broadcast team from the SMU game seeming genuinely pissed off every time JMU threw the ball.
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(09-29-2015 01:50 PM)Pitz Wrote:  No Seatbelts aka #YEEHAWDUKES

(09-29-2015 04:13 PM)HyperDuke Wrote:  
(09-29-2015 01:50 PM)Pitz Wrote:  No Seatbelts aka #YEEHAWDUKES

I can't stop laughing about this.

If you put a gun to my head and asked me if I'd rather have a win over SMU or #YEEHAWDUKES and Alger's hat - I'd probably say #YEEHAWDUKES. It's so. Good.
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(09-29-2015 05:08 PM)DirtyDukes Wrote:  
(09-29-2015 01:50 PM)Pitz Wrote:  No Seatbelts aka #YEEHAWDUKES

(09-29-2015 04:13 PM)HyperDuke Wrote:  
(09-29-2015 01:50 PM)Pitz Wrote:  No Seatbelts aka #YEEHAWDUKES

I can't stop laughing about this.

If you put a gun to my head and asked me if I'd rather have a win over SMU or #YEEHAWDUKES and Alger's hat - I'd probably say #YEEHAWDUKES. It's so. Good.

Dirty: not rooting...
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(09-29-2015 04:46 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  Does no seat belts include going for it on 4th and 1, late in the 4th qtr, in your own territory, up by less than a TD, giving the fact that have been moving the ball up and down the field most of the game?

If it doesn't work should it be called an idiotic decision with the HC crucified on here?

This was one of the first things I thought of too. Talking about it in a press conference and executing 'risky' plays when you're up by four TDs gets fans excited. However, people forget how pumped they were pretty quickly when one of these decisions is a significant contributing factor in a loss.
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Always watched the fast paced offenses from the other side. Now that it's our team.....

I was having mixed feeling on Saturday. Part of me was thinking they can's stop us - keep running the hurry up to keep them run down.

But the other side of me was thinking we're up two scores. They can't stop us on the ground. Why not continue to run it while using the full 40 seconds between plays.

Personally - if you're having the success running the ball, I'd utilize the full 40 seconds.

I know we won, but with that strategy we would of likely never been behind or had to sweat it out.

I think BDK and I probably agree on this one..... perhaps not too many more....
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But also the fast pace attack, even if running most down, and not bleeding down the play clock.....gasses the defense and makes it even easier to continue moving the ball. Can't have it both ways, this is our offense. Think about it for a minute if you get in a rhythm and this is how you run your offense, think how foreign it would be (and probably not successful) to just change the way you operate mid-stream.

Embrace the pace and the take no prisoners philosophy.

Under Withers, JMU plays to win and win by as many points as possible. Nowhere in this style of play/philosophy does JMU play not to lose or to just hang on for a win.
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Regarding the SMU win,.. We were fortunate.

Not taking anything away from anyone. 7 mins to go and you are up 10 on the opponent's 10 yard line. Temper your actions with reality regarding the situation at hand. Use the clock to your advantage. I believe it is called discernment.

Again, very pleased with the "W". Just going forward, in that particular situation , make the other team beat you,.. Not the other way around!
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(09-30-2015 11:49 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  But also the fast pace attack, even if running most down, and not bleeding down the play clock.....gasses the defense and makes it even easier to continue moving the ball. Can't have it both ways, this is our offense. Think about it for a minute if you get in a rhythm and this is how you run your offense, think how foreign it would be (and probably not successful) to just change the way you operate mid-stream.

Embrace the pace and the take no prisoners philosophy.

Under Withers, JMU plays to win and win by as many points as possible. Nowhere in this style of play/philosophy does JMU play not to lose or to just hang on for a win.


I hear year ya but 2-3 first downs running the ball and we walk out with a 10 point win. The approach almost cost us the game. Most people will say hell yeah because we won, but let's see when we hurry up into a loss. We hurried up into losing a 10 point lead Saturday.

I believe you can do both, but I'm sure after the win most don't agree.
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Basketball analogy:

I always pressed full court and ran, ran, ran when I was a high school coach. But, at some point the clock became my only enemy. We then took the air out of the ball. Of course, it is different in that we could shoot free throws that could add to the lead, or cut into the lead. But, mostly the clock was what we were playing against. WE figured we had enough points to win the game.

We practiced and were prepared to play at a slower pace. It is inconceivable that a college football team couldn't wait until the play clock is at 1 second before snapping the ball. In one 4 down series that is almost 2 minutes off the game clock. Make a first down and boom, the game is over. At the very least it will force the other team to use their timeouts on defense and make it that much more difficult if and when they get the ball. Every team at every level should be able to adjust pace of play as necessary. We should also, be able to go under center to make a 1 yd gain when necessary. Don't wait until the National Championship game to do it without having ever done it. Mix it in some during the regular season. Especially, when we are up by 40 points. We don't seem to have a problem trying onsides kicks!
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You guys were getting 8.5 yards a rush. I'm all about not going too conservative too soon and going with what got you to this point, but at some point you need to use play clock. That is common sense. Adding plays and possessions late in the 4th qtr is not helping your win expectancy, even if the defense is tired.

Also surprise onside kicks up 3 scores vs over matched opponents is about as dumb as it gets. Surprise onside kicks work at a alarmingly high rate, however, they aren't such a surprise once you've shown on tape you'll do it. Save if for when you need to steal a possession in a game that matters, not when your just adding cosmetic appeal to a blowout.
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(09-30-2015 01:03 PM)UofRfan Wrote:  You guys were getting 8.5 yards a rush. I'm all about not going too conservative too soon and going with what got you to this point, but at some point you need to use play clock. That is common sense. Adding plays and possessions late in the 4th qtr is not helping your win expectancy, even if the defense is tired.

Also surprise onside kicks up 3 scores vs over matched opponents is about as dumb as it gets. Surprise onside kicks work at a alarmingly high rate, however, they aren't such a surprise once you've shown on tape you'll do it. Save if for when you need to steal a possession in a game that matters, not when your just adding cosmetic appeal to a blowout.

you can still lineup early and stay in formation till late in the play clock to prevent change in defensive personnel. You might let the D catch their breath a little but you are still keeping the same guys on the field.
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Yeah I'm not saying you have to huddle or substitute. Stand at the line for 40 seconds forcing the team not to sub defensively. If they try to run guys off the field snap the ball with more than 11 guys on the field. that is fine.
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While it's great to be able to use a hammer really well, it's also nice to pull out another tool from the box when you need one. Such as lining up under center on 3rd/4th and short...
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i hear you guys and don't totally disagree, but I don't see Withers varying too much.
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remember when MM wanted to run the ball just one more time at Appy in '07? or go for it on 4 and 1 on JMU's 30 yard line late in the game with a lead at Appy in '07? yup, that sucked.
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Here's a "no seatbelts" team: Towson. Why? They have gone for it on 4th down a NCAA leading 19 times this season. Wow!
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